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BHPian ashwinikalantri recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
Today morning, my Hycross gave me an error and the check engine light is on now!
I drove the car a few km in the morning, without problems. But when I tried to start the car again, I got a message along the lines of "EPC couldn't start correctly" (I am not sure as this was displayed only once, and this is from my memory).
The car did start and can be driven. But it started displaying these errors:
The Toyota app has these errors:
Anyone else had to deal with this? Any insight?
I am afraid of an escalation of the issue and the need for major replacements! I hope a hard reset solves the issue! The service centre in my town doesn't have the diagnostic tools (ODB computer) and is just an outpost. Hope they can correct the issue.
I visited the service centre and lo and behold, the error decided to vanish. It was there up until the time I parked at the service centre, but when they started the car, it was cleared. I was assured that I could drive the car as usual and shouldn't be worried.
The alerts on the App were also cleared and a new Health report was generated that says everything is fine!
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BHPian payyans recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
Finally did my 1st ever-long drive (Bangalore-Goa) long drive.
I am not a car expert, so these are novice observations.
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BHPian CEF_Beasts recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
Have been planning to change my Fortuner for some time now, it’s a MY2014 4X2 MT Diesel run 1.09 Lakh kilometres till now.
It’s in the best of its health overall and has not stranded us anywhere to date.
The reasons we’re considering selling the Fortuner are:
The SHORTLIST: Short and Sweet:
Things we Liked about this new entrant:
Things we Loathed about this new entrant:
Things my parents Liked:
Things my parents loathed:
The HEART wants the Kodiaq: I have always loved the Kodiaq because it simply punches above its weight and not just one segment (X1, Q3 and GLA) but a whole two segments (X3, Q5 and GLC). But Škoda’s lack of interest in giving the Kodiaq the E20 compatible 2.0L TSI was a major deterrent. My X3 30i is E25 compatible for reference. When I read about a member getting the E20 sticker on his car, I jumped out of my chair and brought the Kodiaq back into the shortlist with a bang.
We want a 7-seater simple, the Kodiaq just about qualifies for the criteria, we don’t use the 3rd row as often now but still the fact that our Fortuner has a pretty usable one makes it a bad pre-shortlist shortcoming for the Kodiaq.
The after-sales quality, reliability of the DQ381 and parts availability a few years down the line give me anxiety and is something I don’t want my parents to go through just because I want the Kodiaq.
The MIND has a very simple and solid case for itself like always with the Innova HyCross.
Stick with a Toyota that we have been associated with for the last 17 years, with no issues on the after-sales and part availability front. Can be serviced at a meagre cost throughout its lifetime with us. Has oodles and oodles of space across the cabin. Hybrid will ensure low running costs and a bit of saving the environment from our side.
Both the Innova HyCross and Škoda Kodiaq are fantastic products in their own way, both punch well above their weights
Should we compromise on the quality of plastics, a slightly underpowered engine, a long waiting period, slightly fewer features in the VX(O) and poor overall headlights and go for the Innova HyCross VX(O) 8-seater
OR
Should we compromise on the overall after-sales and parts availability at a later date, space in the 3rd row, and reliability of the DQ381 and go with the Škoda Kodiaq L&K / Sportline?
So which one should we go with? HEART vs HEAD. This is the 3.4 million rupee question that I can’t seem to wrap my head around!
Looking forward to reading all the opinions shared by the esteemed members of the forum.
Here's what GTO had to say on the matter:
I know you are tempted by the Kodiaq, but you already have a fun crossover in the X3.
Pick the Innova Hycross. You'll save a couple of lakhs, it's more practical, spacious, reliable, and efficient. Most importantly, your parents will love it more than the Kodiaq. After all, they are the primary users of this car.
I believe any garage should have diversity. Instead of two German crossovers parked side by side, I'd any day prefer a German SUV (your X3 for the fun & engineering) alongside a practical MPV. The latter can also be put through the rough use you wouldn't subject an X3 to.
Here's what BHPian VRJ had to say on the matter:
The options in the 40-50L segment are very limited. I recently got the ZX(O) Hycross. I drove around 4,500 km in the past 4 months. I also own a 2018 Fortuner 4x2 MT. Your observations are spot on with regard to the Hycross.
Major cons of the Hycross:
- The lights are absolutely trash. Sometimes I wonder if they’re even switched on. The fog lights on the Hycross are trash as well. The Fortuner has a visible difference when the fog lights are switched on, whereas the fog on the Hycross lit up the road right in front of the bonnet that you can’t even see and I’m 6’2.
- The engine gets ridiculously noisy when you hit the accelerator, especially on the highways. Innova is supposed to be a highway champ, but due to the engine noise, CVT and lights, it’s now a city champ.
But why did I get the Hycross?
- I test-drove the Kodiaq first. Absolutely loved it. The seats, the DCC, the engine, the audio and the second row. All top class. Four drawbacks were reliability issues, low-end turbo lag, fuel efficiency and resale value. Service with Skoda in Vizag is bad as well. Test drove first from my current house to my office (2.5km) and the car returned at 6.5 km/l. Next, I drove from my new house to my office (14km one way) and the car returned at 8.5 km/l. In Vizag, we don’t have the same traffic present in Mumbai or Hyderabad. On the other hand, my Hycross returns 10-12 km/l from my old house and 15-18 km/l from my new house. I know there are a set of BHP’ians to whom efficiency isn’t a priority, but for me it is.
- I never had the opportunity to test drive the Hycross because it wasn’t available. We also have a 2008 280,000 km run Innova and our Fortuner is at around 85,000 km. Not once in 15 years have we had a breakdown. Service bills are always very reasonable. So, based on our prior experience with Toyota, we blindly got the Hycross. A car wouldn’t have a 2-year wait period if the car wasn’t good, would it?
Major pros of the Hycross:
- Suspension is soft and balanced. The body roll is decent. This was exactly what I was looking for after 5 years with the Fortuner.
- Fuel efficiency is good when driven sedately. If you drive it like a normal ICE, then it’s as efficient as an ICE. I’ve even got 5 km/l and also got 16-20 km/l. On the same route, I can get 10 km/l and also get 16-18 km/l. The hybrid tests your patience to the limit.
- It’s a proper 6-seater. The first two rows are top-class for the price. Good wide seats. Parents and friends love the comfort.
- Fortuner’s steering literally gives me shoulder pain at times. The Hycross is the polar opposite. You can turn the steering with one finger.
So, the light steering with ventilated and comfortable seats wireless CarPlay with good enough audio and the smooth CVT with the petrol hybrid make it a fabulous car in the city. This is what I wanted in my daily car. Ticks all the boxes. Hycross is a good daily city car. On the highways, it’s the opposite. The engine noise, the CVT and the lights make me regret buying the Hycross. Not that you can drive the Hycross on the highway with those horrible lights. Fortunately, I have the Fortuner MT for highways. The Hycross is a no-nonsense comfortable and efficient car that can last 10-15 years, whereas the Kodiaq is a fancier comfortable inefficient sophisticated car. Both have their pros and cons. Depends on your running and priorities.
Here's what BHPian manofinfinity had to say on the matter:
I would suggest going with the Hycross as you already have X3 a pretty good German All-Rounder, we also would have considered Kodiaq if it had a diesel engine, 2.0 TSI will be a fuel guzzler for Sure, you already have a petrol X3.
Hycross has better Space and ride quality compared to Kodiaq, will keep your Family Happy for a long time and I feel would be a good upgrade over Fortuner.
Here's what BHPian car_guy1998 had to say on the matter:
Since you already own an X3, I'd suggest you get the Hycross since it's Hybrid and also will be reliable and cheaper to run and maintain being a Toyota.
And, your parents will be satisfied with the comfort and space the Hycross offers.
As a recent owner of Hycross bought in July-end, I find the third row to be comfy and way better than the OG Innova that we owned before, Crysta and Fortuner (3rd row is unbearable).
Also, it's very easy to drive in city limits, thanks to light steering.
I drove our Hycross for nearly 3000 km before I moved out of the country in mid-Aug and another 3000+ km were added by dad and chauffeur.
And, our folks are getting around 14-17 km/l in the city depending on the traffic and I got 18 Kmpl on the highway once.
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BHPian abhinavsureka recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
Finally, got the delivery of my Hycross ZX (O) on Wednesday evening and took it on a 600 km drive with my parents yesterday.
Dealership experience: WORST EVER. The attitude of the people at Indore has been obnoxious and I am going to escalate my complaint in the coming days. Even at the time of delivery nobody knew the features of the car or bothered to explain them.
Because the car is in such high demand their behavior is such that the customers are to stand in front of them with a begging bowl.
Insurance: The first quote received from the dealer was 1,40,000 which came down to approx 90k eventually. I got it done from the bank directly for 73k (includes everything, hybrid battery also)
Accessories: Only got the boot mat. The rubber mats for the rest of the car felt overpriced for the quality on offer. A bike protector is something I might get soon.
Comfort: Absolutely amazing. There were 3 of us on the drive and for the first time ever we were queueing up for the backseat.
Drive: Smooth. Gets noisy under acceleration. Did not get tired.
ADAS: Found the lane keep assist a bit too intrusive. adaptive cruise control was good but will not use it regularly.
Fuel economy: MID shows 15 km/l, will know after I tank up. Speed was mostly in the 90-110 range.
Headlights: Driving back at night was complete torture because of the headlights. The brightness is poor and the throw is concentrated on one small spot. I think my old Ford Figo had better headlights.
Has anybody here upgraded the headlights? if yes then please recommend what to do. Also, please suggest a good online store for accessories like good quality rubber floor mats.
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BHPian RoadTiger recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
Finally got my Hycross ZX delivered a few weeks back and have covered about 600 km so far. Some observations:
The drive:
Fuel efficiency:
Sunroof, Ottoman, AC etc:
Things, not the best:
Overall this is one great family vehicle - refinement, comfort, space, driving ease, future-proof engine tech, features, sunroof, fuel efficiency, reliability, resale value, service experience - all bases covered. And at a reasonably acceptable price. Looking forward to munching miles with it
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BHPian manofinfinity recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
Back with a short update after 6 months, recently did a 1200 km road trip in Hycross there were 5 people including luggage here are some observations from the trip and overall observations till now after 6 months and 5000 km:
Here are some snaps from the trip:
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BHPian samitjain recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
I am the owner of a Hycross VX and it’s a wonderful car.
But I want to share some of the shortcomings in the car. Some are very serious issues and some are there but can be ignored.
Serious issues:
Minor issues:
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BHPian Cresterk recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
Bought some shiny Hella Chrome Trumpets from Amazon for Rs 1600. It often goes on sale for less but my dad's b'day was coming up and I wanted to gift these to him.
Open the hood and take off the plastic cover right in front of the engine bay. Just carefully pop off the plastic rivets and it will come right off.
The twin stock horns by Roots are located right underneath.
Unscrew the holder and the whole thing comes off pretty easy.
The connections for both the horns are the same. So this was just plug and play instead of having to splice wires and install additional relays etc.
These Hella horns are 12V but I can't find a mention of the Amperes anywhere on the packaging. Their website claims it's 5A but I'm guessing it's more. The Hycross manual mentions the stock horn fuses to be of 12v 15A so that's enough leeway hopefully.
Both the stock horns were removed.
The new Hellas is in place.
We almost never blow the horn and only use it in case of emergencies to avoid accidents. However, the meek stock horns of the Hycross do not convey the size of the vehicle approaching and when you add the silent nature of the hybrid engine, people often assume it's a 2-wheeler. This leads to them cutting in front of intersections, joining main roads etc. without looking, even pedestrians walking along leaving only enough space for a scooter or small car to go by and me having to brake hard and lay on the stock horns until they look back and realise their error.
Glad to report that these new horns do the job well and a quick tap is enough to let people know that it's a larger vehicle and they are appropriately cautious. The horns also sound deeper and way more premium than the stock horns.
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Toyota has unveiled what is claimed to be the world's first BS6 Stage-II electrified flex-fuel vehicle.
The 100% ethanol-fueled prototype vehicle is based on the Innova Hycross. It was unveiled by the Union Minister of Road Transport & Highways, Nitin Gadkari. According to the minister, the prototype will undergo further refinement, followed by homologation and certification.
Ethanol is an indigenous, clean & renewable fuel. "The government’s focus on ethanol is for achieving energy self-reliance, spurring the incomes for farmers and having a better impact on the environment," Gadkari said. "The plan is not only to diversify agriculture surpluses towards the energy sector but also generate wealth from waste using 2G technology for producing ethanol from bio-waste. A lot of emphasis is being laid on building and expanding the necessary infrastructure to produce ethanol in the whole country," he added.
Last year, Toyota had showcased the Corolla Altis Hybrid which can run on petrol and ethanol. The car uses a 1.8-litre engine that develops 101 BHP and 142.2 Nm. It is paired with a permanent magnet synchronous electric motor and a 1.3 kWh battery pack. The electric motor has an output of 72 BHP and 162.8 Nm, and the hybrid powertrain is mated to a continuously variable transmission (CVT).
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BHPian Cresterk recently shared this with other enthusiasts.
Went on a trip to Vellankani, Tamil Nadu and back over the weekend. Nothing like a total of 1000 km over 2 days covered to fully familiarise yourself with your car.
Likes:
Once the hybrid battery is almost fully charged, the engine can turn off and the Hycross can maintain its speed using only the electric motors until either the battery charge drops or you encounter the added resistance of an upward slope or you try to accelerate. Any of these conditions will lead to the engine turning back on for additional power.
The 40 km/h limit applies only to the forced EV mode from the button on the transmission. This is meant to be used for moving your car around in parking lots etc without losing energy by turning on the engine when it will be turned off again before it is even warm.
The highway handling is great, with a well-settled ride and minimal body roll despite the size. Adaptive cruise control will slow down for some curves if it thinks it is too steep. Not sure how it judges them but it seems to know what it is doing. Caught me off guard only once when it went into a curve that I would have normally slowed down for at full speed but ADAS still maintained its lane without me even intervening. There was no drama but it did alarm me because that was unexpected so I turned the set speed down a notch.
The power on offer is pretty good. Change it to power/sport mode and it feels like a different car entirely. A light shove on the accelerator is enough to immediately send it roaring forward. The electric motors are always assisting and there is no waiting for a downshift or for a turbo to spool up. If the hybrid battery charge is too low, the engine revs up higher to compensate.
Dislikes:
Noise: One thing to note here is the noise from the tyres and the wind. On a windy day, you can hear the turbulence from the wind and the noise of the tyres very clearly at speeds above 100. The tyre noise can be taken care of by upgrading to some premium rubbers but I'm at a loss about what to do for wind noise.
Despite being a hybrid, the engine can get very loud if the needle crosses over into the power zone on the tacho when accelerating. You can't even hear the 120kmph beeps over the sound of the engine if you floor it.
Despite the looks of the tri-beam LED headlights, the light output and throw are rather pathetic, especially on high beams. It rained heavily on the first day and I had to slow down to a crawl as I couldn't see anything. To make matters worse, most cars here had upgraded or auxiliary headlamps and couldn't even be bothered to dim their lights. I desperately want to upgrade them but the LED bulbs are not removable! You will need to change the entire headlamp cluster because these are sealed units
The low profile 18-inch wheels along with the recommended 35 psi mean that you will notice broken patches but it is still comfortable. I accidentally sped through one of those trio of speed breakers that I saw too late at night. Braced myself for the worst and pulled over to a gas station to check. Couldn't find any damage and there was no slow leak of air from the tyres over the next day either. Do the same in a European luxury car and your trip will turn into a hunt for a tyre shop that is open at 12am to fix your bent rims (personal experience with a Volvo S60 and a BMW X1).
I will put up with the bad plastics for peace of mind on a rainy night in an unfamiliar place.
Thankfully, it also said what was wrong and showed exactly which sensor was blocked. Turned out to just be some dirt. Just sprayed some water on the sensor and then wiped it with a microfiber cloth and everything was back to normal.
Overall a good trip
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