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| A Used Higher Segment Car OR a New Petrol/BEV/HEV? Hi Folks, I am reaching out to you guys for your expert opinions. To get the basics out of the way first, I don't need a car right now. I own a Honda City Petrol that has been serving me well for the past 3 years. I drive about 350-500Kms monthly or about ~5K-6K Kms annually. As another BHPian put it, and I couldn't do more justice, this is more of a mid-life crisis solver. The urge to buy a new toy. I am doing well financially; I have a stable job with regular income and no EMIs and with that comes an itch to get a new horse. I have decided that I have 30 lakhs to spend on a car (all inclusive). Here are my requirements.
Here is where my conundrums begin. My requirements took me to both new as well as pre-owned cars (luxury) aplenty. In terms of choosing cars by fuel type, my priority list looks like this, but I am pliable and open to suggestions.
I did also come across pre-owned listings of entry level VAG cars X1/ GLA that could be had for as low as 20L. I do want to buy a "fairly" new car that is made post 2020 and has less than 40K on the ODO. I am somewhat into the snob value of a badge and would love to get my hands dirty with one. However, I do understand that there are no cheap/ budget German cars, and I will have to ensure upkeep of those cars through FNGs, sometimes at high costs. I do want to preface that I will buy these through a reputed dealer such as Spinny Max that will provide a comprehensive 2-month warranty on the car. So, if there are any upfront niggles or replacements required those can be done directly from VAG dealerships at zero costs to me directly. In summary, I have a couple of questions and want to understand a few things:
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Infractions: 0/1 (10) | Re: A Used Higher Segment Car OR a New Petrol/BEV/HEV? 1. I suggest you, buy the pre-owned German cars directly from a used car channel of the brand. Like Mercedes-Benz Certified, Audi Approved Plus or BMW Certified. You can check their inventory directly on their website. They give 6 to 12 months warranty on the cars which gives Peace of Mind. 2. Costs will be higher even from FNG's- The cost of a new headlight or taillight of Merc or BMW is above 1 lakh. So in this case getting this repaired by FNGs will only save you on the labour amount. Regular services like oil, oil filter, and air filters from FNG will cost around 20k in comparison to 50k from ASS. Other items like brake pads and brake discs can be changed to aftermarket companies and will cost around 60-70k in comparison to 1.10 lac from ASS. 3. Depends upon What you want from a car. X1 and GLA will offer badge value and excellent driving dynamics which no other car can match but lack size, and interior space. 4. What car I will Buy in 30 lakhs- I will increase my budget a little bit and look for a pre-owned 2018-19 Mercedes GLC/X3, there are plenty of examples in a 34-36 lakhs bracket. If I want a new car then I will buy a Hyundai Tucson, It is selling at a 2 lakhs discount currently for MY23 models. Since you have a Reliable Honda in your garage then I think this time you can get your hands on Pre-owned German Cars. Pre-owned German cars are a hit or a miss. Check carefully before buying that's why I suggested you Merc Certified or Audi Approved plus, buying a car from them increases the probability of getting a good car. If you find a good car then you will have a smile on your face every time you drive it and if not then game over. Last edited by vattyboy : 7th February 2024 at 22:07. Reason: Adding more information. |
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| Re: A Used Higher Segment Car OR a New Petrol/BEV/HEV? Thank you for your response. Quote:
Similarly for headlights. A Headlight for Innova costs around 25K circa 2022 vis-a-vis >1L for a German counterpart. Hmm. That gives me food for thought. | |
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Infractions: 0/1 (5) | Re: A Used Higher Segment Car OR a New Petrol/BEV/HEV?
I would definitely advice going against the pre owned German SUV route. Whatever you save, you will easily spend most of it maintaining the barge. While I noticed you are in for the badge value does a pre owned lexus interest you? A quick google search showed me few examples at around 36L for ES 300 H. It is a sedan, but should be much more less expensive to maintain than it's german counterparts, and the Hybrid engine should save you on the fuel $. You do get equal badge value as well. Quote:
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This is just me though. I had the budget of upto 35L, and the more cars I drove, the price to value ratio started diminishing, hence with the Seltos. Second option would be Tucson diesel. Third in line is the Hycross. While it looks great on the outside, I was disappointed with the interiors. PS- This is coming from an individual who highly values reliability, fuss free vehicles and ASS. Hope this helps! Last edited by 07CR : 8th February 2024 at 15:44. | |||
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| Re: A Used Higher Segment Car OR a New Petrol/BEV/HEV? Quote:
While they may not have badges to impress other people, they will simply blow you away in terms of performance, sometimes even matching cars two segments above them. The BYD Atto 3 and the MG ZS EV are around your price range. If you have access to a 15A plug at home / work this will put a big smile on your face. It is cheap to run, cheap to service and really fun to drive. Both these cars have good tech, decent interiors and powerful motors. Take a test drive and see for yourself. | |
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| Re: A Used Higher Segment Car OR a New Petrol/BEV/HEV? I can relate to your pain point. I’m in Gurgaon have faced the wrath of rains & patched inner roads of Gurgaon. I picked a used (sedan) A4 TFSI (2015) & spent a little about ₹1Lakh to bring it to niggle free state (brake disc & pads - that’s a one time investment) + new set of wheels (Turanza) + full service (oils & filters) & I got it all done at a FNG (very reliable) Trust me once you experience a German luxury - you’ll love it. After the A4 I couldn’t really enjoy anything else (Hyundai, Tata or Mahindra) But since you’re seeking a SUV - I’d say your issues regarding water logged roads / undulations will not be a concern. Service cost isn’t as high for example my A4 Petrol costs around ₹20k (higher side). I’m in the same boat as you now, as I am looking to add another car in my garage (Petrol only) Being in Delhi NCR (Diesel is a big no - depreciation is going down the drain) I’m also contemplating between a German vs Indian OEM (SUV) with similar thought process of new vs used ![]() P.S: I also have a Honda Jazz in my garage |
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| Re: A Used Higher Segment Car OR a New Petrol/BEV/HEV? Pre owned route isn’t the best idea for us Delhi NCR people. Diesel options will be BS4, which means major usability issues in winter. Petrol options will not the E20 compliant, which is its own can of worms. Better to buy new. You say you are well settled and don’t have liabilities, which is a great position to be in. You can get yourself a nice new ride, or you can instead make some big investments which well and truly set you up for the future. That’s your call. Since what you are looking for is a toy, an NCR compatible toy, may I suggest you consider the Jimny. Nothing quite like getting bitten by the 4x4 bug, and Gurgaon has a thriving off roading scene with active communities and regular events. |
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| Re: A Used Higher Segment Car OR a New Petrol/BEV/HEV? Hi, you seek driving dynamics, feature set, relatively low maintenance, good FE. Based on my past ownership experience of Germans (bought new) 1. There is a big difference in materials, quality of entry level German cars vs their mid and top segment offerings ( compare 3 vs 5 series etc). 2. For 30 lacs and recent model years, you will have to consider entry level german cars. For next segment, you will have to look at 5-6 year old options. 1. Won't suggest buying a pre owned German which is 5-7 years old and out of warranty 2. Even if you do, you need to compromise on feature set. ( my current Verna is plusher / more feature rich than my (then) 2015 E Class and 2017 3 series. The latter especially was a great driving machine but by no means, luxurious) For 30 lacs, I would suggest you look at Mahindra - Top end XUV700, Scorpio N They will meet most of your requirements but will have niggles and petrols won't have great FE ( by the way, most of us spend more on buying /selling our cars than fuel) If you wish a relatively niggle free experience, then consider the Korean crossover twins ( Creta, Seltos - better FE compared to the Mahindras) or maybe stretch to a petrol Tucson. As GTO says, 25-35 lacs gets you all the car you need and then some more. Last edited by FAIAAA : 10th February 2024 at 13:10. Reason: Formatting, Additional text |
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But then, what about the Honda City that I own or the lakhs of cars currently on road. They won't be compliant and would need to replaced once the percentage hits 20%? Quote:
I am definitely going to check out Tucson. Too many BHPians consider that a pretty amazing SUV. Last edited by Gannu_1 : 10th February 2024 at 14:49. Reason: Back to back posts merged. Please use the multi-quote button (QUOTE+) while quoting and replying to multiple posts. Thanks. | |||||||||
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| Re: A Used Higher Segment Car OR a New Petrol/BEV/HEV? Quote:
Unless you are looking for snob value(which I understand you are), there's really no need to go preowned with this budget. It seems to me that you are still trying to define what your use case is for the new car. Think long and hard as to whether you need an old German car that has the potential to be a white elephant unless still under warranty. But again the heart wants what it wants, maybe yours hasn't communicated clearly yet. And perhaps that's why they call it midlife crisis! Last edited by ike : 10th February 2024 at 15:13. | |
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| Re: A Used Higher Segment Car OR a New Petrol/BEV/HEV?
For that kind of budget, I would get Tucson Diesel. Its a 5 star safety rated product, has more than enough power. I don't think X1 or GLA has that kind of output. Being new car, you will have peace of mind. The only problem for this would be the 10 year rule in NCR. Last edited by Turbanator : 10th February 2024 at 16:55. Reason: fixed quote |
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| Re: A Used Higher Segment Car OR a New Petrol/BEV/HEV? Quote:
- Driving pleasure can be had mostly in a turbo diesel or turbo petrol, high revving NA petrols are not fun anymore with BS6, Used Camry Hybrid is one that may come close, you can look for a good example - I would not consider diesel options, especially if one is from NCR - Turbo petrols are fun but almost all are guzzlers if driven enthusiastically - BEVs are not yet there in terms of being able to fetch 500 kms range comfortably unless you buy an Ionic 5 or Kia EV6, I would stay away from BYD given that their investment is blocked in India - Petrol Hybrids are nice, but they are not great in terms of driving feel Do drive the Honda City Hybrid and XUV7OO, for a new car purchase these are the options I would shortlist, if its a used car, options are aplenty, do chose what you like but ensure it does not have more than 30k kms on the odometer. | |
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| Re: A Used Higher Segment Car OR a New Petrol/BEV/HEV? Quote:
That’s exactly what I am saying. E12 continues to be available for now in guise of normal petrol, but it is only a matter of time before it is also phased out and 20% mixing becomes the standard. Any car not rated for that is going to have issues with its fuel pump, injectors as well as hoses. My 2012 Jazz has already been through a fuel pump failure due to ethanol blended petrol. Talk to your Honda service advisor, he will tell you how rampant such issues are. There is a dedicated thread here about injector and fuel pump failures on Hyundai cars. Ethanol blending is the root cause, and all older cars are ultimately screwed. Plain and simple. Companies like VW and Toyota have explicitly stated that they will not honour warranties in instances of damage caused by use of non specified (ethanol blended above allowed level) petrol. All this has been discussed at length in the E20 related threads elsewhere on the forum. If you want to go down this road, pls do so with your eyes open, cognisant of the risks. E20 rated vehicles came into the market only last year. Anything older, you risk long term maintenance issues. Only BMW petrol cars are an exception, they have been E25 rated for quite some time. Last edited by Shreyans_Jain : 10th February 2024 at 19:13. | |
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| Re: A Used Higher Segment Car OR a New Petrol/BEV/HEV? Hi thaithdriver - I live in Noida and own Honda City VMT 2018 manufactured and I don't own any of the big 3 Germans. Although I feel the NCR is great place to buy excellent used German SUVs due to slightly higher availability, however, with 30 lacs budget I am not sure you will get a good German SUV which is 2019 or above manufactured. In case you can stretch to around 35 lacs, then I think you can get a very good low mileage German SUV. With your description I am assuming is that you usage will be very low, probably less than 150-200km per month for the German SUV and 200 to 300km for your Honda City. I don't know if you will be buying cash down or take car loan of approx. 20 lacs or more. In case of taking loan, then it will be significantly higher than the loan on new car. If I were you, I would definitely buy it but in different order. I would spend about 30 lacs on German Sedan (2019 or 2020 manufactured BMW 330i or Audi A4) for my fancy usage and sell off my Honda City and buy a low run certified used 2017 or 2018 Hyundai Creta AT (for about 8-9 lacs) for trip to Himanchal, Manali etc. Your 3 years old Honda City can easily fetch you very good resale value (if it is AT then probably more than 10 lacs). All the best for your purchase, but do go for the German Sedan or SUV. Last edited by GoBabyGo : 10th February 2024 at 22:04. |
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| Re: A Used Higher Segment Car OR a New Petrol/BEV/HEV? I can hear your heart pounding for that coveted emblem and classic flowing interiors. It always does: when you have the money, for cars and when you have the heart, for girls. The trick is not to give too much of your time to either. So, go ahead, follow your heart and get yourself that mantle but wear it sparingly. If I were you, I would go in for an E 250, it's a timeless classic. Plenty of oomph. The key is to use it sparingly. Your wife doesn't wear her silk saree every day, does she? Last edited by TopLiveCentre : 10th February 2024 at 22:18. |
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