[PaddleShifter]

Originally Posted by RoadMonkey

I believe the constant on and off would reduce engine health in the long run and perhaps even its life. From what I've been told, frequently turning the engine on and off is bad for its long term health. I think we even have a thread on this topic on T-Bhp. Manufacturers are sacrificing engine longevity in order to put attractive FE numbers on the brochures.

The auto start stop in a petrol car is a negligible headache. Reasons:
1. Quicker restart compared to a diesel engine.
2. Less vibrations during restarting in a petrol car.
3. Engine restarting is via ISG, not the conventional starter motor. It wont affect engine health in the long run.
4. No turbo charger in maruti petrol engines. No idling protocols for the sake of turbo charger health.

Thus, I would suggest that you focus on the cars in your consideration rather than the start stop system.

[shancz]

Originally Posted by RoadMonkey

We as customers should keep pushing the reliable manufacturers to build safer cars and the safer manufacturers to be build more reliable cars. The divergence should not be this big.

Caution : OT, Fictional, Childish but Fun content below

Just had strange realization:
The strongest point of MSIL is the powertrain which is the weakest point of TML.
The weakest point of MSIL is the build quality and safety which is the strongest point of TML.
Seems like a match made in Heaven/India

- Start of Dreaming -

Imagine the results if these two join forces.
Under 10 lakh price point :
- Tiago with the K12 Dualjet
- Altroz with the K12 Dualjet and K15
- Nexon with the K15
- Swift with a 5 star GNCAP
- Baleno with a 5 star GNCAP
- Brezza with Nexon level interiors and a 5 star GNCAP

All cars would come with brilliant suspensions and Harman Kardon music systems, no weird steering behaviour or vibrating gear levers and you end up cranking an idling Tiago.

- End of Dreaming -

[gururajrv]

Hello sir. I would suggest neither of it being a Brezza owner myself. Brezza surely is outdated right now with so many players in the market. But, build quality is superior to any models in their portfolio and might be at par with S-cross’ hefty build.

As for Scross, I’m still skeptical as it’s already showing it’s age too. I read somewhere, Maruti is going to replace Scross with Vitara in the years to come.

You’ve better & safer options in the market. Since it’s for your father, safety is of prime importance. I would bat for our homegrown companies like Tata & Mahindra. Both Nexon & XUV300 are superior in terms of safety package it offers while they have good Petrol engines mated to automatic transmissions which is icing on the cake. Please do give them a try before finalizing on maruti.

[RoadMonkey]

Originally Posted by shancz

- Brezza with Nexon level interiors and a 5 star GNCAP

All cars would come with brilliant suspensions and Harman Kardon music systems, no weird steering behaviour or vibrating gear levers and you end up cranking an idling Tiago.

Brezza/S-Cross with the brilliant 4 pot 1.5L Diesel! But the same kind of fantasies can be had about a VW and Honda merger, etc. Those traits are results of certain ideologies while engineering and often lead to divergent results. I don't mind the occasional breakdown of a good and safe car provided the breakdowns can be resolved in a timely and quick fashion. I do wish we had a Toyota in the Creta segment. A safe, boring, no nonsense, hybrid petrol SUV that's good for all use cases - even if light on the bling. RAV4 if you will.

Originally Posted by gururajrv

As for Scross, I’m still skeptical as it’s already showing it’s age too. I read somewhere, Maruti is going to replace Scross with Vitara in the years to come.

Both Nexon & XUV300 are superior in terms of safety package it offers while they have good Petrol engines mated to automatic transmissions which is icing on the cake. Please do give them a try before finalizing on maruti.

I don't mind SCross being replaced. In fact, I'd rather buy it while it's still being built on the Global C platform before it's shifted to Heartect platform.

As for Nexon/XUV300, they were under consideration even when we bought the Polo AT. XUV300's boot is far too impractical for a car that'll do highway miles. Nexon has AMT. I want to stay far away from AMTs given the instances of breakdowns. I don't want another car that has the potential of going the Polo way for me.

I'd have gone for the Nexon eyes closed if it had a Diesel/Petrol AT.

[rakesh_r]

If you have elderly folks at home, the Scross is the perfect car. My dad who underwent knee replacement on both his legs finds the Scross very comfortable when it comes to getting in and out. Highway manners, Scross has a very mature characteristic with minimal fatigue to the driver on long drives.

[RijuC]

Originally Posted by RoadMonkey

...The decision will be taken at the beginning of 2022. We do not want to wait for the next generation of Brezza/S-Cross. MSIL is shifting all of its cars to the HEARTECT platform and that has a sketchy record with safety. Both of these are built on the old Vitara platform, I believe.
Thanks!

Buy the S-Cross before Maruti Suzuki start manufacturing it on Heartattack platform, and mess up the look of the car. And once it is on HEARTECT platform, definitely it will loose weight of about 150-200 kg.

[RROD]

As an S Cross owner, I wholeheartedly recommend it.
Put it simply, it’s a nice happy car.

[amvj]

The interiors of the Vitara Brezza are a bit low rent even when compared to the Baleno especially the dashboard plastics. However, the Vitara Brezza is 4 star Global NCAP rated car. The Indian S-cross is not crash tested. So don't know how safe it is.

S-cross interiors are better than Baleno and definitely better than Vitara Brezza. If I am in the market for a car in this price range, I will skip these two and buy something much more exciting.

[RoadMonkey]

Originally Posted by amvj

S-cross interiors are better than Baleno and definitely better than Vitara Brezza. If I am in the market for a car in this price range, I will skip these two and buy something much more exciting.

I had a Baleno before the Polo.

I bought the Polo for the excitement factor. It was the most exciting car to drive one could have bought for that price. I've exhausted my excitement quota with the Polo having been unusable for ~2 months as I get to rediscover the joy of just being able to drive any car, even the boring ones.

Besides, you live in a tier 1 City. Automotive life is very different for me in tier 3. In this price bracket, there's plenty of exciting options but only one with bulletproof reliability of the drivetrain and the engine.

[saion666]

All points go to the s cross,its the better car and fits your requirements to the tee.
There is one major soar thumb though, in the s cross, is that ugly front grill. If that doesnt bother you ,then go for it.

If I were in your shoes, would get the xuv300. That grill of s cross is simply unbearable.

[Reinhard]

Overall the SCross feels like a bit more premium built product in the cabin. Has a superior ride quality as well. Yet - I have voted for the ubiquitous Brezza (and not for the Urban Cruiser, I'm not a fan of brand engineering).

Overall the Brezza is a more practical package IMO in urban environments with outings / vacations taken into consideration. It has dimensions that are easier to navigate with in the tight urban areas. The higher seating definitely is a boon for the ladies and seniors in the family. Relatively, the SCross seating is a wee bit lower. On the looks - I like the Brezza hands-down in the comparison. 1st Gen SCross looks beautiful. I'm not at all a fan of what MSIL has done with the latest car's face.

You have already zeroed down on the 2 cars and with a petrol engine. Otherwise for a good feature package and comfortable AT - I'd have suggested the Sonet Diesel AT.

[Fiatanic]

Sir, please dont consider the brezza simply for the worst build quality. Each time any of my friends consider this vehicle I show them this unfortunate accident where a highway guard rail cut right through the car. Such is this trash can-

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.car...-students/amp/

Go for s-cross. Same vehicle runs in Australia and Europe. Some standard it has got.

[Punatic]

Originally Posted by RoadMonkey

used to consider Ford Ecosport the natural upgrade to the Ritz but with Ford leaving, that's not an option.

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To that end, we've shortlisted the Vitara Brezza (In its Urban Cruiser avatar) and S-Cross.

Went through the exact same decision over a year ago and chose the EcoSport, an easy choice for me due to my already decade-and-a-half association with Ford [related thread (Petrol S-Cross or Petrol Vitara Brezza?)].

I would have almost certainly gone for the S-Cross if Ford had already exited back then, but I must mention here that the Sonet hadn't shown up on the scene yet either. You might want to consider it as well due to it sharing the EcoSport compactness advantage. Having said that, the S-Cross is not that much larger so if your dad manages to get its test-drive through windy old-city streets he will be able to see for himself. Happy hunting!

[sinharishi]

My reasons for choosing the Scross over Brezza was simple - extra space and more comfortable seats at the back. Have covered 164K kms doing numerous cross country trips, 80% of time with my parents at the back seat. She is our preferred choice for Bom-Del trips over flying or taking a train.

Please do get the tyres changed on the car, it comes with horrible choices of tyres and changing them will do wonders to NVH and ride.

Originally Posted by Fiatanic

Such is this trash can-

Same vehicle runs in Australia and Europe. Some standard it has got.

Haha! You expect S-Cross to come out unscathed from running into a barrier at high-speed? Not sure if you know this, both S-Cross and Brezza are made on the same Global-C platform. We cannot entirely blame the car for this high-speed accident.

[Reinhard]

Originally Posted by Fiatanic

Sir, please dont consider the brezza simply for the worst build quality. Each time any of my friends consider this vehicle I show them this unfortunate accident where a highway guard rail cut right through the car. Such is this trash can.

Isn't the Brezza certified 4 stars officially by the GNCAP tests? Thats a very good rating. One of accidents resulting in unfortunate fatalities will keep happening even with Volvos for that matter. Thats the reality on our unsafe roads. But both the Scross and Brezza are quite well put together overall. Not much to distinguish between them instantly on this front. Just my personal opinion.