[wasif]

Hard to tell exactly which car they came off of as those are generic lights that were used by many car manufacturers in early teens of the last century.

Looks like a side lamp that mounts on the cowl or windscreen frame of a British car

Are there any makers marks on it ?

[samsag12]

Originally Posted by wasif

Hard to tell exactly which car they came off of as those are generic lights that were used by many car manufacturers in early teens of the last century.

Looks like a side lamp that mounts on the cowl or windscreen frame of a British car

Are there any makers marks on it ?

There is a badge on it stating SUMMA Levallois Perret. I am told that it came out from a car which had convertible top and the car appeared to be lengthy in dimension. Do state the various models which boasted these type of lights maybe i can use them as reference.

[anjan_c2007]

Originally Posted by samsag12

Can anybody help me in identifying as to which car does this lamp assembly belongs. Its from a car we had long time back.

Are these acetylene lamps fitted to older Veteran and Vintage cars? I remember my granduncle talking about his Wolseley fitted with acetylene lamps.He also had told me that once due to a storm and rains the car garage with GI sheets and wooden poles had fallen down. The Wolseley was intact and standing tall with some minor bruises.Such was the build quality.
I tried and tried but could not get any pictures of the car and now when I have become a bhpian he is no more.

[powertwin]

Originally Posted by Dussey

I am reiterating my request for a windscreen glass
for my Morris Minor 1000. Its a one piece curved
windscreen. Even a Baby Hindustan one piece
windscreen will do , as it is suitable.

Instead you may use Amby's rear W/S glass for your Morris 1000, with slight grinding on the outer periphery of the glass & a bit of Tapping (??) on the body beading seat portion !!

[Dussey]

Originally Posted by powertwin

Instead you may use Amby's rear W/S glass for your Morris 1000, with slight grinding on the outer periphery of the glass & a bit of Tapping (??) on the body beading seat portion !!

Thanks powertwin. But would certanly prefer the original if I could get one.

[IndrojitSircar]

Originally Posted by samsag12

Can anybody help me in identifying as to which car does this lamp assembly belongs. Its from a car we had long time back.

Originally Posted by samsag12

There is a badge on it stating SUMMA Levallois Perret. I am told that it came out from a car which had convertible top and the car appeared to be lengthy in dimension. Do state the various models which boasted these type of lights maybe i can use them as reference.

These were not only seen in British cars but were also in other older cars. Going by the badge "SUMMA Levallois Perret" , Levallois Perret is a commune in the northwestern suburbs of Paris, France. Looking at it closely it makes me wonder wheather it was actually meant for a car or has been modified to be fitted on a car.

Is this a kerosene Lamp ?

[samsag12]

I Don't think that its a Kerosene lamp as it has a bulb holder fixed at its bottom part. Have a look at the pic.

[wasif]

Its might have been a carbide or kerosene fired lamp for sure and going by the plate which suggests French origins might have come of an old French car, possibily a Renault.

The bulb holder is a later modification as during the time these lamps were in vogue the electric bulb for cars was not widely popular.

[samsag12]

Wasif ji can you state some model nos. of the cars which possibly had this light. I found a picture of some vintage car having similar side light fittings. Pic attached.

[harit]

As we all know, many cars, maybe even upto the 1920's were fitted with acetylene lamps. There were standard lamps as headlights, sometimes a huge centre light, tail lights and the sidelights mounted from the sides of the windscreen. Many of these lights were standard as supplied by the company, and then there were specialists who supplied these lights, sometimes very fancy, as accessories. Many cars, when they were sold off, lost these lights as they were kept back because they were so decorative. Today they are taken off because of the metal, and antique value. Many of these lighting accesories came with a carbide generator, a tank like part often found on a running board.
Collection of such lights and other accessories like mascots, badges, horns etc. have become Automobilia and is many times persued as a separate hobby.
This light shown here is more of the accesory type, does not appear to have been original equipment. The square shape, the blue glass would lead me to believe that this is more of a carriage light, called "Opera" lamps, the kind one would see on horse carriages near the passenger entry door on the side. Some of these light were also accessories for Limosines, and again were fitted on the sides near the doors.
As Wasif pointed out, the bulb holder is a later modification.
Among the collectables in acetylene lamps, these lamps are of the least interest. Most collectable are headlights, the larger the better, and if a pair, then the ultimate. Side lights and rear lights are not so exciting. The most common seen is the Lucas King of the Road light, and there are nicer and rarer makes like Lucidus. Just google this and see what I mean.
Many of these old lamps were nickel plated, but many of our antique dealers remove the nickel plating because there is brass underneath and looks so much more attractive. Very foolish, because this brass has to be regularly polished, and originality is lost. Replating is not an option because then the name plate gets buffed off and names becomes illegible. I have taught my guy to bring the lamps as they are, not to even clean them.
I hope that I have told you guys something useful.
Will put up some pics in the memorabilia thread soon.

Cheers harit

[harit]

Originally Posted by samsag12

Wasif ji can you state some model nos. of the cars which possibly had this light. I found a picture of some vintage car having similar side light fittings. Pic attached.

In my opinion, these opera lights on these cars are not placed in original position. The tourer should not have them at all, and the Limo should have them on the pillar just behind the driver.
But that is only my opinion. And these lights do not have blue glass, which BTW is the original glass on the lamp shown.

Cheers harit

[harit]

Originally Posted by harit

In my opinion, these opera lights on these cars are not placed in original position. The tourer should not have them at all, and the Limo should have them on the pillar just behind the driver.
But that is only my opinion. And these lights do not have blue glass, which BTW is the original glass on the lamp shown.
Cheers harit

I have to correct myself. In the September issue of The Automobile, two pictures of mine have been published under photo discoveries. A Minerva and possibly a Citroen. And I had a good look at the Minerva again, and it does have these square light mounted on the cowl (scuttle). But they appear to be having a clear glass. These photos date to 1920/21.
The lamps with a blue glass must be Opera lights, to be fitted on the side near the rear door of a sedan or Limo.

Cheers harit

[powertwin]

Saw these used parts from a guy, who claims himself as an enthusiast & collector (???)
I picked some parts like Lucas magnet ( its not magnetS!!), a rare Smiths Enfeild clock, Jawa sundry parts,a Bosch battery light( think its a Cycle light)
few Rajdoot parts , some Vintage wrist watches ,etc.,

apart from that he had some Yezdi jet fuel tanks ( 2 nos),BSA Bond Fuel Tank (1), Amby steering wheel MK 1 & another S wheel with 2 key grooves, some Fiat tail lights, Morris 8 Monograms, some British weighing machine, a mobile furnace, Pre war Military kettle etc.,
Just posting some pics....try to catch up if you( @ all) are interested
( some more pics are yet to be posted.....like pics of a Aerial single cylinder head{ not sure its Aerial , for sure its a OHV stuff}, RE Prince engine side cover, some Bantam ( 125cc) power train parts & a Robin hood Cycle)
NOTE: The last pic in this shows the stuff I have already picked

[powertwin]

Originally Posted by powertwin

Saw these used parts from a guy, who claims himself as an enthusiast & collector (???)
Just posting some pics....try to catch up if you( @ all) are interested
( some more pics are yet to be posted.....like pics of a Aerial single cylinder head{ not sure its Aerial , for sure its a OHV stuff}, RE Prince engine side cover, some Bantam ( 125cc) power train parts & a Robin hood Cycle)

Ha!! found some more pics:
...

[vipinmohan]

Robinhood bicycle.is it 3 speed?please post more details and photo if u have