[karlosdeville]

Does anyone know the story on this Rolls, 94RF 1927 Windovers Limousine Jodphur?



A friend sent me this link showing the car apparently in the UK, beautifully restored.




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Interestingly a 47 Buick cabrio in Jodhpur is shown with the same plate.

[DKG]

Originally Posted by karlosdeville

Does anyone know the story on this Rolls, 94RF 1927 Windovers Limousine Jodphur?

The last time I had spoken to someone on his staff they had mentioned the car was being sent to England for restoration. My goodness it looks awesome now. Fantastic.

[karlosdeville]

Originally Posted by DKG

The last time I had spoken to someone on his staff they had mentioned the car was being sent to England for restoration. My goodness it looks awesome now. Fantastic.

It obviously must have been in a remarkable state of preservation to begin with. This is great, that the car has got the restoration it deserves. Wonder if it is back, or when it is coming back. Hope it starts a trend of no holds barred restorations for cars that deserve them.

[IndrojitSircar]

Originally Posted by DKG

The last time I had spoken to someone on his staff they had mentioned the car was being sent to England for restoration. My goodness it looks awesome now. Fantastic.

This car has got the luck to get restored by the best experties and has been sent abroad by the owner who can afford it.The owner realy deserves the car after all the effort put into it .

[DKG]

Originally Posted by karlosdeville

It obviously must have been in a remarkable state of preservation to begin with. This is great, that the car has got the restoration it deserves. Wonder if it is back, or when it is coming back. Hope it starts a trend of no holds barred restorations for cars that deserve them.

I've seen the car pre-restoration and it was in a magnificent weathered condition. I had posted pictures of this car in this thread. If I remember correctly reading this somewhere it apparently came as the trousseau of the present Maharaja Gaj Singhji's grandmother

The car had peculiar mosquito mesh screens apart from the door window glasses. I think it also had dual sunroofs.

I am truly delighted this car has been restored to such an amazing standard.

I agree Karlos the work they do abroad is in another league altogether. I hope someday I can afford to send my Packards abroad to get them restored so.

[Prabal]

Originally Posted by karlosdeville

Hope it starts a trend of no holds barred restorations for cars that deserve them.

Originally Posted by DKG

I am truly delighted this car has been restored to such an amazing standard. I agree Karlos the work they do abroad is in another league altogether. I hope someday I can afford to send my Packards abroad to get them restored so.

Well, I'm not so sure about what exactly the no-holds-barred restorations construe - for different folks that is. And kindly indulge me a bit, since I don't know much about high-end collectibles in any case. But I feel there's a very fine line between restoration and over-restoration when money is no object!

Having said that, there have been quite a few automobiles that have been sent abroad, and brought back to India after (!!) , for restoration at a 'specialist's' abroad. So setting trends I don't know, but precedences exist.

[wasif]

It actually does look a bit over restored with that glossy shine. I actually prefered the old patinated look this car had

In some cases when the car is in original condition preservation is a better option than restoration. This was what I was advocating should be done with the Stutzl.

There is a 1919 Packard sedan on display at the Nethercutt Museum in original condition.

It has never been painted or upholstered or overhauled. The paint has lost its gloss and is a dull gray and at places its worn down to the primer.

Similarly the upholstry shows signs of a hard life but the beauty of it is un imaginable and the tips and guidance it provides to other restorers is immense.

[karlosdeville]

Originally Posted by Prabal

Well, I'm not so sure about what exactly the no-holds-barred restorations construe - for different folks that is. And kindly indulge me a bit, since I don't know much about high-end collectibles in any case. But I feel there's a very fine line between restoration and over-restoration when money is no object!

Having said that, there have been quite a few automobiles that have been sent abroad, and brought back to India after (!!) , for restoration at a 'specialist's' abroad. So setting trends I don't know, but precedences exist.

Very true sir. And ofcourse, many cars have been restored abroad in the past, but I am hearing of one (with such provenance) after a long time, thats all.

Someday Im sending my Beetle to Herr Grundmann in Hessisch Oldendorf too you know.

Originally Posted by wasif

It actually does look a bit over restored with that glossy shine. I actually prefered the old patinated look this car had

There is a 1919 Packard sedan on display at the Nethercutt Museum in original condition.

I too have always been a proponent of preservation where possible, but I suppose in this case the exterior is merely polished, so none of the originality would really be destroyed. If anything, after a couple of years the gleam might just diminish a bit too.

[DKG]

Originally Posted by Prabal

Well, I'm not so sure about what exactly the no-holds-barred restorations construe - for different folks that is. And kindly indulge me a bit, since I don't know much about high-end collectibles in any case. But I feel there's a very fine line between restoration and over-restoration when money is no object!

Having said that, there have been quite a few automobiles that have been sent abroad, and brought back to India after (!!) , for restoration at a 'specialist's' abroad. So setting trends I don't know, but precedences exist.

It all depends on what standard you apply to the restoration. If the goal is to return the car to like showroom condition then its a tougher standard as you need to replicate so many of the finishes. The need to work back to colours and finishes prevalent in the 20's or 30's is a tough tough challenge.

The over restoration that you speak of usually refers to finishing cars to today's standards which invariably mean the car is better in finish than the original showroom condition car. It also entails varying finishes as compared to the original choice like extra chrome finishing of various parts which may originally have just been painted etc.

I have yet to see a restoration in India which replicates showroom condition. What are the chances anyone here in India could have done more justice to the Jodhpur car? Doubtful.

From the pictures Karl has posted and having seen this very car in Umaid Bhavan it appears like a authentic restoration to a very high standard. I recall the interior having that wood finish and the body has just been buffed back to its original sheen. Chances are this car looked like this when new. I should think the engine has been reworked and the car is now fully driveable, which it wasn't prior to the restoration.

So assuming the owner wishes to use the car once in a while this option of sending it to the UK and having it fully restored makes sense. If it were to have been a museum exhibit then perhaps it could have been left as is.

Having said this Prabal I am personally more in favour of cars that are retained in operable condition in their original finishes. Such cars are very rare and when you do see one its mindboggling. I know of a Beetle here in Hyderabad which looks like it was bought new and then garaged barely being used. Phenomenal sight to see something so fresh after so many years. I remember I was actually hunting for clues to figure out if the car was restored but I couldn't find any. It looked original down to upholstery beading, carpets, headlining, labels on engine components. Recently I was startled to see an fabulous 240D at a petrol bunk in Hyderabad. Again in an amazing original condition, almost like a new car.

Its fair to say no restoration can match that look and feel.

[sasi405]

This car has been restored and is back in Jodhpur. I do not know about the 'over-restoration' part, but I think the original car was a shining car and not a patinated one. Personally, I like to look at conservation rather than restoration, especially if one round of restoration has happened. In our workshop here in Jaipur, we focus on making the cars take on their original character, rather than make them some fancy object from today's time..

[IndrojitSircar]

That is indeed a good news so all our members in jofhpur should now go and see this car soon as possible and share with us what they see.

[Alvis]

Ref 94 RF

Nearly 90 years old and still capable of stirring the soul. What a simply beautiful and stunning automobile

[karlosdeville]

Originally Posted by harit

Where is THIS now?
A Rolls which participated in a rallt in Delhi more than 10 years ago. The owner at that time was probably Mr. Ranjit and he told me that this was once a Lady Muckerjee's car.
Headlights appear to tilt forward.

Originally Posted by park-ward

The car in Harit's post #1017 is a 20/25HP Park-Ward saloon, chassis #GMD45. It was last known to be with Ranjeet Malik.

Originally Posted by harit

And here is a photo of the car, rear view.
Cheers harit

I just dug up this picture of what appears to be the same car in question, though in a different colour scheme (regn numbers seem to match).



I think I got this picture from the Pakistan club site.

[IndrojitSircar]

Originally Posted by karlosdeville

I just dug up this picture of what appears to be the same car in question, though in a different colour scheme (regn numbers seem to match).

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I think I got this picture from the Pakistan club site.

If this car was seen 10 years back in delhi then how come it is on a palistan club site?

[karlosdeville]

Originally Posted by IndrojitSircar

If this car was seen 10 years back in delhi then how come it is on a palistan club site?

The Pakistan club website features many pictures of Indian cars and collections