[vinaydatla]

Originally Posted by RubberGuru1113

Also why you should not go for 205/50R16 :-

I am not keen on the 205/50R16. I have read all these posts but did not find a concrete answer on the performance or damage caused when 205/55R16 is run with full load in a Honda City (due to GC change and diameter variation of around 4%).

Is there any reason you are not recommending Michelins in your posts on the forum?

We are using the upsized 195/55R16 Conti UC6 in our in-laws Honda Jazz with 90% highway usage. They don't have any complaints.

Thank you for your knowledge sharing across the forum.

[RubberGuru1113]

Originally Posted by vinaydatla

Is there any reason you are not recommending Michelins in your posts on the forum?

Michelin make fantastic tyres, don’t get me wrong. However, a lot of tyre damages - especially on the sidewall - is due to bad luck more than having anything to do with the product. In such cases, when going for warranty claims, one is at the mercy of the dealer and company for goodwill adjustment.

For Michelin in particular, when it comes to warranty claims, a lot depends on how good a relationship you have with the dealer (so that he pushes your case with the company) and how good the dealer’s relationship is with the company so that they can adjust your tyres with their “goodwill budget”. Though I must say that the warranty policy of Yoko and Conti also doesn’t cover these issues, they are more liberal than Michelin in general in goodwill claim adjustments. If you have seen some of my posts, if somebody emphasises that they drive mostly on bad roads, I ask them to go for JK or Ceat, who have a no questions asked unconditional warranty policy.

Case in point is one of our BHPians’ experiences with JK’s unconditional warranty - they adjusted the claim no questions asked even though it was apparent that the sidewall was punctured by some miscreants => https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-...-warranty.html (Sidewall issues, Warranty or FNG? | Update: JK Tyres replaced tyre under unconditional warranty)

Ceat’s policy is also similar.

This coupled with the fact that you pay a 20% premium over even premium brands like Yoko and Conti means I rarely recommend Michelin to anyone.

Sharing the claim adjustment experience with Michelin of one of our BHPians for his Fortuner below. Note that he was pretty close to the dealer and had a long history of Michelin purchases from him and was able to get a 50% goodwill discount on his replacement tyre.

Originally Posted by rugsrags

On my way back around a 100 kms from home i heard a sound of a glass shattering as if i had gone over a glass bottle but it came from the rear side of the vehicle and as i was at around a 100km/hr speed I wondered what the sound was. It was around 8 at night so stopped after around 10 kms as I didn't feel any difference in the driving and on looking in the rear view couldn't see anything on the road either as i was on a lit flyover when I heard the sound. Looked at the tyres but couldn't see anything so continued driving home.

Next morning i come out to see a flat rear left tyre with a sidewall cut. As is expected the dealer says it won't be covered under warranty ofcourse and that it isn't possible for it to have happened on the highway as it is a cut. I've told him my experience got the tyre changed and have asked him to atleast raise a claim with Michelin though he is positive that company won't accept the claim as it is clear it is a damage done by me. I fail to understand how this could have happened. Got him to check the alignment too but the alignment has come out correct. Ive always been a fan of michelins and it's been the go to brand for all my replacement tyres in all my vehicles. Let's see what Michelin has to say to me about their finding and whether they even inspect the tyre before giving me their decision. Attaching pictures.

Originally Posted by rugsrags

As expected Michelin has washed their hands off my claim saying it isn't a manufacturing defect.

Just wish there was a way to get it checked because their view has come after inspecting only pictures and not the tyre physically. My tyre dealer though is pursuing the case at his level with them since he knows how particular i am personally with my driving. Is it possible that we are importing tyres that are not suitable for our indian conditions. Just saying because this was the first time I got new tyres without feeling any difference whatsoever in my driving experience followed by my unfortunate mishap.

Originally Posted by rugsrags

Well i have been given a 50% claim against the new replacement tyre based on my history of purchases of Michelin tyres over the years and no claims as stated by my dealer. But on a serious note this is the first time i'm not very impressed with the tyres. I have high expectations because of which i pay a premium (For these tyres the premium was around 2k per tyre over Yokohoma) and this time its fallen flat maybe because this tyre hasn't been homologated for our driving conditions?

Cheers

[vinaydatla]

Originally Posted by RubberGuru1113

don’t get me wrong

Thank you sir for the details on Michelins. I had a tyre burst on NH16 at medium speed on Michelin XM2 when I was trying to over take two trucks who were trying to play tag and moving at a slow pace. It never occurred to me until now that this could be due to a relatively softer sidewall compared to others.

I have had pothole based tyre bursts in Pirelli and Michelin but never in MRF, Conti, JK etc. It makes sense now.

What do you think about MRF Perfinzas for my tyre upgrade?

[RubberGuru1113]

Originally Posted by vinaydatla

What do you think about MRF Perfinzas for my tyre upgrade?

Perfinzas are rock solid options to go for though they aren’t that popular. Which size are you going for? 195/55R16 or 205/55R16?

[vinaydatla]

Originally Posted by RubberGuru1113

Perfinzas are rock solid options to go for though they aren’t that popular. Which size are you going for? 195/55R16 or 205/55R16?

I would prefer to go for 205/55 R16 for the added GC, looks etc. Occasionally we do 7-10 day road trips with full load and I am worried if the tires will be scraped or damaged due to wheel well or chassis rupture.

[Gearup_1111]

Originally Posted by arpirocks

Hello All

I have a general query: Honda City, which came with stock Bridgestone Tyres 185/55 R16 profile. I have an upgrade in mind the next time I changed the tires.

Unfortunately, last week one of my rear tires was torn from the sidewall and is beyond repair.

For now, I have a spare in place - Luckily I got a full-sized spare from Honda. And using it for the first time - so it's new.

Now, I need some advice for my next course of action

The car has run 10k km and I had a full wheel set replacement in mind once it hits 20k. So far, I don't have any issues with the tires and they are comparatively healthy.

OPTION 1 - Use the spare tire as it is on the rear side. Get one new 185/55 R16 tire for the other side and replace the single tire. Keep the old good tire as a spare. This way I have both new tires on the rear.
The dealer has quoted ~8.5k for a single tire.

OPTION 2 - Get 2 new tires for the rear with the same 185/55 R16 profile. Put back the spare as it was. This way, I need to discard one good tire for nothing

OPTION 3 - Get all 4 tires 195/55 R16 profile. Discard all current tires and maybe keep one 185/55 R16 as a spare. This is what I ultimately want to do but not very convinced at this stage as the car has only 10k km on ODO and current tires are not work out that much


Side Note:
I have been quoted ~8.5k for a Bridgestone tire and ~5.5k for a JK. Any thoughts in general on the brands?

Hi, I am also in same dilemma as 2 of Bridgestone 185/55 r16 are in good condition driven only 10k kms installed last year, 2 need replacement and spare got a cut which was repaired but I'm not comfortable to drive on it so I was planning to buy 2 new tyres.

Dilemma is that these low profile bridgestones are prone to side wall cut. So should I replace are 4 tyres and replace with some brand which has warranty for cuts like Ceat Secura drive has 3 Years warranty and costing around 4500 per piece. Bridgestone is costing 5500 per piece.
So in 18k minus cost of 2 Bridgestone installed last year i can get peace of mind against cuts.

Bridgestone ecopia is a noisy tyre however I'm sure Ceat will be second to it so a little confused.

[RubberGuru1113]

Originally Posted by Gearup_1111

Hi, I am also in same dilemma as 2 of Bridgestone 185/55 r16 are in good condition driven only 10k kms installed last year, 2 need replacement and spare got a cut which was repaired but I'm not comfortable to drive on it so I was planning to buy 2 new tyres.

Dilemma is that these low profile bridgestones are prone to side wall cut. So should I replace are 4 tyres and replace with some brand which has warranty for cuts like Ceat Secura drive has 3 Years warranty and costing around 4500 per piece. Bridgestone is costing 5500 per piece.
So in 18k minus cost of 2 Bridgestone installed last year i can get peace of mind against cuts.

Bridgestone ecopia is a noisy tyre however I'm sure Ceat will be second to it so a little confused.

Hello. I have heard good stuff about Ceat's Securadrive tyres which are coming as stock fitment in quite a few cars now - Tata Punch, New i20 (including N Line), VW Skoda twins Kushaq/Taigun and Slavia/Virtus. If you feel your roads are bad, you should definitely go for a brand with unconditional warranty - Ceat or JK. For your reference I'm sharing a fellow BHPian's experience with JK's unconditional warranty below:-

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-...-warranty.html (Sidewall issues, Warranty or FNG? | Update: JK Tyres replaced tyre under unconditional warranty)

Also word of advice - do an up-size to at least 195/55R16. Since you're replacing only 2 tyres, make sure the upsized tyres are on the same axle. No matter what the brand is, the short sidewalls of 185/55R16 are sure to give you persistent issues. Unconditional warranty is one thing, but on the other hand, ideally you want to have the least amount of downtime and not be stranded anywhere because of tyre issues.

[AnujKapur]

Originally Posted by inwester

Upgraded tires on 2021 5th Gen Honda City ZX CVT to 205-55-R16 Michelin Primacy 4ST.

Actually it was a mistake as I wanted to get 205-50-R16, but when I sent the text message to the tire dealer I typed in 55 and he ordered it. So I didn't want the hassle of returning and it actually fits the wheel well a lot better.

Key metrics -
1) Increased the ground clearance by 0.45 inches, or 11 mm. Ground clearance was not really an issue to begin with, but now its even better.
2) Speedo meter error of -3 km/hr at around 80-90 i.e. reading is 80, while actual will be 83.
3) Better ride and I feel the ride is very complaint now, which was already soft.
4) Handles, brakes and grips better, feels a lot more planted, puts the power down better as well.
5) Super quite ride. I can't stress this enough, this car is very quiet on smooth roads (In the US I own a Tesla Model Y and Volvo XC90, so its really high benchmark).
6) Didn't really check the fuel efficiency. I'm getting 12-13 average combined before and after.
7) Overall, I paid Rs. 29,600, after returning the old tires (with 700 km on it), for Rs. 2,250 each (Rs. 9,000) total.

Hi,
Does tyre touch tyre well or metal if the car is fully loaded ?

[yogiii]

Originally Posted by RubberGuru1113

Hello. I have heard good stuff about Ceat's Securadrive tyres which are coming as stock fitment in quite a few cars now - Tata Punch, New i20 (including N Line), VW Skoda twins Kushaq/Taigun and Slavia/Virtus. If you feel your roads are bad, you should definitely go for a brand with unconditional warranty - Ceat or JK. For your reference I'm sharing a fellow BHPian's experience with JK's unconditional warranty below:-

I live in Delhi NCR, usually ran on smooth roads and got Ceat Securadrive as stock in my Hyundai Verna, I found them pretty bad. They were noisy, had multiple punctures in first 5-10k kms.

Now at 55k kms they are gone, not the tread but they have some inflation on surfaces not the bubbles you see on sidewalls. The car wobbles a lot above 60-70 km/h and I was recommended to change them immediately.

[inwester]

Originally Posted by AnujKapur

Hi,
Does tyre touch tyre well or metal if the car is fully loaded ?

Not at all, the wheel well is fairly spacious and can accommodate these sizes easily.

[Mlanuk]

Originally Posted by RubberGuru1113

Perfinzas are rock solid options to go for though they aren’t that popular. Which size are you going for? 195/55R16 or 205/55R16?

Which tires would you recommend for the 195/55R16? I own a 2019 4th gen City VX and have been facing issues of frequent punctures due to a lot of construction activity around my usual spots of parking and drive. In the past, I have considered upgrading the Bridgestone stocks purely from a comfort perspective - rear seat passengers get a jerky ride over potholes. In between I tried lowering the tire pressure to see if it made any difference but all I got was more frequent punctures. Comfort is my primary criteria, apart from value for money.

Thanks in advance.

[RK4060]

Originally Posted by Mlanuk

Which tires would you recommend for the 195/55R16? I own a 2019 4th gen City VX and have been facing issues of frequent punctures due to a lot of construction activity around my usual spots of parking and drive. In the past, I have considered upgrading the Bridgestone stocks purely from a comfort perspective - rear seat passengers get a jerky ride over potholes. In between I tried lowering the tire pressure to see if it made any difference but all I got was more frequent punctures. Comfort is my primary criteria, apart from value for money.

Thanks in advance.

Soft tyres such as CONTINENTAL can give you comfort, but to have reduced punctures, a slightly stiffer but yet comfortable option would be YOKOHAMA.

In your case YOKOHAMA could be a good option, IMHO.

[outdoorlover]

Originally Posted by RK4060

Soft tyres such as CONTINENTAL can give you comfort, but to have reduced punctures, a slightly stiffer but yet comfortable option would be YOKOHAMA.

In your case YOKOHAMA could be a good option, IMHO.

I have been using Yokohama Earth1 195x55xR16 on my City for some years now and my experience as far as punctures go is not good. The tyres are a gravel magnet with its wide treads where they gravels get lodged up. I have been getting frequent punctures on my Yokohama which was not the case earlier with the Michelins that my car came with.

[Mlanuk]

Thanks RK4060 and outdoorlover.

I'm quite vexed with the tire issues now. It seems I have fallen prey to the puncturewalla's scams twice in two weeks now. About 10 days ago, the front tire was diagnosed and repaired for 13 (yes, Thirteen!) punctures just as we had pulled out of the parking to start our Goa road trip from Pune. All the while, the guy was hardselling me this liquid sealant which will take care of future punctures. Having read enough about it's futility on the team-bhp forum, I kept declining and the guy kept plugging these apparent punctures. The same thing happened yesterday, although this time I removed the flat myself and took it out to the repair shop myself to prevent any shenanigans. This tire (different from the previous one) had 11 punctures plugged. To be certain, I went to a different repair shop. After coming back, I moved one of these tires to the rear and the full sized spare that comes with the car was on the other rear tire.

Today morning, the second tire which I got repaired yesterday was completely flat. So it's obvious it wasn't repaired properly or the guy made a few more holes cos he wasn't happy I declined his strong sell for the sealant liquid.

Now, I'm in a dilemma. I initially wanted to wait till July (when my warranty gets over, plus the construction activity gets over and hopefully the areas are cleared of nails and screws) to replace all 4 tires. Now, I'm thinking whether to only replace these 2 sour ones (in which case I will have to stick to 185/55, unless I go for 195/55 and ensure they're on the same axle) and the other 2 in July. This also bodes well financially by spreading out the unexpected expense. Or I take the jump and replace all 4 right away with 195/55 which was the original plan.

Right now Michelins and Yokos seem to be the contenders till I solicit more feedback.

I have also been deliberating investing in the full puncture kit. Pressure gauge and tubeless repair kit seems fairly inexpensive but the pump is what I'm unsure of - I don't know where to get a power socket in my apartment parking for the powered ones and I'm not sure of the efficacy of the manual ones.

Await inputs.

[RubberGuru1113]

Originally Posted by Mlanuk

Thanks RK4060 and outdoorlover.

I'm quite vexed with the tire issues now. It seems I have fallen prey to the puncturewalla's scams twice in two weeks now. About 10 days ago, the front tire was diagnosed and repaired for 13 (yes, Thirteen!) punctures just as we had pulled out of the parking to start our Goa road trip from Pune. All the while, the guy was hardselling me this liquid sealant which will take care of future punctures. Having read enough about it's futility on the team-bhp forum, I kept declining and the guy kept plugging these apparent punctures. The same thing happened yesterday, although this time I removed the flat myself and took it out to the repair shop myself to prevent any shenanigans. This tire (different from the previous one) had 11 punctures plugged. To be certain, I went to a different repair shop. After coming back, I moved one of these tires to the rear and the full sized spare that comes with the car was on the other rear tire.

Today morning, the second tire which I got repaired yesterday was completely flat. So it's obvious it wasn't repaired properly or the guy made a few more holes cos he wasn't happy I declined his strong sell for the sealant liquid.

Now, I'm in a dilemma. I initially wanted to wait till July (when my warranty gets over, plus the construction activity gets over and hopefully the areas are cleared of nails and screws) to replace all 4 tires. Now, I'm thinking whether to only replace these 2 sour ones (in which case I will have to stick to 185/55, unless I go for 195/55 and ensure they're on the same axle) and the other 2 in July. This also bodes well financially by spreading out the unexpected expense. Or I take the jump and replace all 4 right away with 195/55 which was the original plan.

Right now Michelins and Yokos seem to be the contenders till I solicit more feedback.

I have also been deliberating investing in the full puncture kit. Pressure gauge and tubeless repair kit seems fairly inexpensive but the pump is what I'm unsure of - I don't know where to get a power socket in my apartment parking for the powered ones and I'm not sure of the efficacy of the manual ones.

Await inputs.

Hello. In 195/55R16, with comfort and low noise (along with robust construction) being your priority, look no further than Conti UC6s. I’ve recommended them to a fair few of my friends on the same size - on a Baleno and a Ciaz - amd both of them have had a trouble free 8~10k km so far.

Another option is the Vredestein Ultrac which also comes with unconditional warranty.

Regarding portable tyre inflators, I’ve used the Bergmann one from Amazon personally and it takes power from the cigarette lighter socket. Proven to be pretty reliable over the past year or so for me. Also has a pressure setting and automatic cutoff. Saves the wait at the petrol pump queue