[unpopulrxplorer]

Hello BHPians,

I have completed 40K on my Scorpio N 4xplore MT (stock 245 65 17)and it is the time to upgrade the tyres. I live in NCR and frequently visits mountains, 80% usage is on highways and 20% off-road trails.

I have finalized my search and below are the top picks.

1. Maxxis Razr 811/Bravo 980/Bravo 771:
   This is at the top of the list as it is available in 255 65 R 17(nearly stock and my snow chains will fit). On papers the Razr 811 is a perfect tyre however, I haven't seen any reviews. Bravo 980 is a good name in the AT tyres and I have seen positive reviews.
   Need help to find a dealer in Rohtak/Gurgaon. Should I go for Razr 811 or Bravo 980?
   
2. Michelin LTX trail or LTX force:
   We are using LTX Force in XUV500 and it is a great tyre. Perfect for highways and occasional off-roading. I am getting LTX trail for 15K. Is LTX Force disconnected?
   Only minus is size (265 55 17).
   
3. Bridgestone Dueler AT002: Again on XUV500(Dueler HT). We have driven around 85K(9years) and these can do another 20-25K KMs.
   Only minus is size (265 55 17).
   
4. BFG K02: This is the best tyre as per my search but the concerns are 1/stiff sidewalls and 2/size. Can the stiff/tough sidewalls mess with the suspension and is it available in 265 65 17?

I am not going with Yokohame G015 as my experiance with Yokohama Earth1 on my Ertiga is not good. How about Ceat and Apollo AT tyres? Looking forward to hearing your experiances.

[unpopulrxplorer]

Did further research, and below are the highlights:

1. Ceat Crossdrive AT 265/65/17 is the best deal: I am getting it for 10500 with 3 years unconditional warranty against defects and cuts.
Best price and best warranty terms.

2. MRF Wanderer AT 265/65/17 is another option for 12500 with manufecturing defects and long life 125000 KMs. Good price and long life.

3. Yoko g015 is for 14000 and comes with a warranty. Michelin LTX trail and Bridgestone Dueler are for 15K. Michelin doesn't come with a warranty; not sure about Bridgestone. Premium brand tag, known for performance. I am still not considering Yoko g015.

4. Maxxis Brave 980 are not available in the size needed. I managed to find 2020 manufactured Maxxis Bravo 771 255/65/17 and the price is the best of all the options I have explored so far.

I am inclined towards Bravo 771:
1. I am getting the right size that I need.
2. It is a light off-road tyre. So it will be comfortable on the highways compared to Maxxis 980.
3. Compared to Machelin or Bridhestone, the price difference is huge. 8 Maxxis 771 = 5 Machelin

The question is, "Should I go for a 2020 manufactured tyre?"

[gaurvr]

Originally Posted by unpopulrxplorer

Hello BHPians,

I have completed 40K on my Scorpio N 4xplore MT (stock 245 65 17)and it is the time to upgrade the tyres. I live in NCR and frequently visits mountains, 80% usage is on highways and 20% off-road trails.

Tyres are mainly divided into two categories based on ply direction. Cross ply and radial ply. If you want to go fully off-roading then cross-ply tyres are suitable but they do not provide comfortable ride and can stress suspension system if that is not robust.

Most of the tyres you will get now a days for private cars/suvs are radial ply. When upgrading tyres, there is a compromise between different parameters: a soft rubber tyre will give comfort and silence on road with faster wear which you get in luxury car tyres. A hard rubber tyre will not provide much comfort but will be durable (mostly found in taxis). Tyre with wider size will give better traction and braking but it will be more prone to punctures if optimum air pressure is not maintained. It will also make a drop in mileage.

A tyre will narrow width will give better mileage, will be quick in acceleration but will loose in traction and safety. A tyre with more wall height will give extra translational speed in same tyre rotation and provide better suspension buffer but it will increase the body roll of vehicle at high speed. A tyre with lower wall height will be better for fast cornering and street racing type maneuvers. After size decision, the next thing is rating of tyre. You need to check speed rating, wet brake rating and fuel efficiency rating of car. After that comes the tread types which decide whether tyre is made for highways, mountain/tough terrains, or mixed drive which can be found on tyre manufacturers datasheet. But you can identify the tyre tread by one simple look. Tyres which have large patches of rubber with thick gutter lines are specially made for rough terrains.

Tyres which have patches mixed with large patches on sides and small patches at center or vice-versa are for mixed purpose (highway and off-road). Tyres that have fine patches of rubber. Check the attached image. If all the tyres are of same size and same rating then service and quality of tyre company matters. Because companies decide the carbon content in butyl rubber of tyres and depending this carbon content quantity and quality of base rubber, you will get the best compromise in different parameters related to tyres.

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[Bagheera]

Originally Posted by unpopulrxplorer

I am not going with Yokohame G015 as my experiance with Yokohama Earth1 on my Ertiga is not good. How about Ceat and Apollo AT tyres? Looking forward to hearing your experiances.

Originally Posted by unpopulrxplorer

I am still not considering Yoko g015.

Earth 1 is yokohama budget tyres for Indian road conditions optimized for long life. It might be unwise to base your experience on that. I'm not aware of AT tyres, but from what I have heard, their S drives and Advan Sport are well regarded.

Originally Posted by unpopulrxplorer

The question is, "should I go for a 2020 manfuctured tyre?"

Absolutely not, Tyre rubber gets hard as they are exposed to light and oxygen. In my recent tyre buying experience, the salesman advocated that the tyre degrades only if the tyre is filled with air. But that's not correct. As tyres age, they get hard, their grip drastically decreases and gets more prone to puncture. Even if your usage is high to use up the tyre in a year. I wouldn't recommend as you mentioned you will be using it in off-road trails where the risk of puncture is high.

[unpopulrxplorer]

Originally Posted by Bagheera

Absolutely not, Tyre rubber gets hard as they are exposed to light and oxygen. I wouldn't recommend as you mentioned you will be using it in off-road trails where the risk of puncture is high.

Thanks for solving this!
Now, my list has reduced and below are the options:

1. Bridgestone Dueler At002 265/65/17:
   Pros:
   Recently launched tyre.
   Bridgestone Dueler is a well trusted name.
   3 years unconditional warranty.
   Cons:
   Size 265/65/17
   Price on the higher side.
   
   
2. Ceat Crossdrive AT 265/65/17:
   Pros:
   Newly launched designed.
   Unconditional warranty
   Cheapest of all
   Cons:
   Size 265/65/17
   Not a premium tyre
   
   
3. Maxxis Bravo AT 980 255/65/17: Yet to find a dealer
   Pros:
   perfect size upgrade
   not a hardcore off-roader. Perfect on-road and off-road balance
   Cons:
   No warranty
   Availability
   2023 manufactured
   
   
4. VREDESTEIN Pinza HT 245/65/17:
   Pros:
   Recently launched tyre.
   2 years unconditional warranty
   Combination of HT and AT tyre
   Stock size, no warranty issue
   Cons:
   Price is same as Bridgestone Dueler
   No size upgrade

I would like to shrink it further. Maxxis Bravo is still my top choice and if I manage to find a 2023 made tyre, I will go with it. Otherwise, I need to pick between 1, 2 and 4. I will appreciate any guidance.

[Dodge_Viper]

Are you on rims or alloys? Either ways, moving from 245/65/R17 to 265/65/R17 gives circumference difference of more than 3% which is not ideal. Atleast as per tyre upsize calculator:



If it's not recommended then won't it affect the dynamics? Already there are cases related to suspension. Mahindra will not hesitate to outright deny warranty on odd tyre sizes installed.

[unpopulrxplorer]

Originally Posted by Dodge_Viper

Are you on rims or alloys? Either ways, moving from 245/65/R17 to 265/65/R17 gives circumference difference of more than 3% which is not ideal.
.

I am on alloys(Z8L MT). And yes, that is the reason my first preference is 255/65/17 as the circumference difference will be under 2%.

Many users on facebook group have upgraded to 265/65/17 and I haven't seen any complains, so far.

Originally Posted by Dodge_Viper

If it's not recommended then won't it affect the dynamics? Already there are cases related to suspension. Mahindra will not hesitate to outright deny warranty on odd tyre sizes installed.

I have spare OEM steel rims and my plan is to put the current tyres on the rims, JIC I need to claim warranty.

[Comrade]

On Isuzu MU-X, I have geolander A/T G015 for 40k kms (265/60R18) and they are huge upgrade over factory-provided Bridgestone Dueler H/T D684 (255/60R18). With G015, the ride quality, braking and grip levels gave improved. Also, it seems like G015 will last longer than Brigdestone, which only lasted 50k. I travel a lot to construction sites and I didn't face even one puncture in these 40k kms with G015 whereas Bridgestone used to have regular punctures (every week or so). I would again go for G015 when it's time for replacement.

[rajneeesh]

I swapped the OEM tyres on my Scorpio N at the time of delivery to Continental Cross Contact AX ( 265 R 60 17) . I have a Manual 4 WD Scorpio N. Have done just under 10 K on these tyres and they have lived upto my expectations.

Earlier, I had Continental Cross Contacts on my Safari Storme and they had serve me well.

[Dodge_Viper]

Originally Posted by rajneeesh

I swapped the OEM tyres on my Scorpio N at the time of delivery to Continental Cross Contact AX ( 265 R 60 17) . I have a Manual 4 WD Scorpio N.

Are you sure Continental Cross Contact is available in 265/60? Last I saw it was only 265/65 for 17 inches.

If its really 265/65 the difference is way above 3%.

[KK2001]

Any reviews regarding the MRF Wanderer AT's??
Was planning on upgrading to them from the Yokohama Geolandar G015's

[rudra_shiv]

Originally Posted by unpopulrxplorer

Thanks for solving this!
Now, my list has reduced and below are the options:

1. Bridgestone Dueler At002 265/65/17:
   Pros:
   Recently launched tyre.
   Bridgestone Dueler is a well trusted name.
   3 years unconditional warranty.
   Cons:
   Size 265/65/17
   Price on the higher side.
   
   
2. Ceat Crossdrive AT 265/65/17:
   Pros:
   Newly launched designed.
   Unconditional warranty
   Cheapest of all
   Cons:
   Size 265/65/17
   Not a premium tyre
   
   
3. Maxxis Bravo AT 980 255/65/17: Yet to find a dealer
   Pros:
   perfect size upgrade
   not a hardcore off-roader. Perfect on-road and off-road balance
   Cons:
   No warranty
   Availability
   2023 manufactured
   
   
4. VREDESTEIN Pinza HT 245/65/17:
   Pros:
   Recently launched tyre.
   2 years unconditional warranty
   Combination of HT and AT tyre
   Stock size, no warranty issue
   Cons:
   Price is same as Bridgestone Dueler
   No size upgrade

I would like to shrink it further. Maxxis Bravo is still my top choice and if I manage to find a 2023 made tyre, I will go with it. Otherwise, I need to pick between 1, 2 and 4. I will appreciate any guidance.

Hello!!

Good comparo made

What was the stock tyre brand that came with Scorpio N for you?

Can you also list the prices for the Bridgestone Dueller and MRF Wanderer AT?

[Rahkehs]

Barring Continental Cross-Contact AX6, is any other AT tyre available for 18’’ alloys in the OEM size 255/60? Though AX 6 aren’t exactly AT but the closest one can get in the size 255/60 R18.

[unpopulrxplorer]

Quick update:
I finalised B’stone Dueler AT002 and got them installed today! I will update the thread in 2-3 days with details after experiencing it for some hundred KM.
To summarise I chose B’stone
1. I got a wholesale price, managed to source it from wholesaler. It retails for 14.5K, I got around 10% discount.
2. Unconditional warranty.
3. Dueler AT002 is a recent design and looks solid.

[vivekgk]

Has anyone here had experience with PCD adaptors? I have had a great offer for a set of Thar OEM alloy wheels and CEAT Crossdrive AT tyres (new) but the PCD is 5x114.3. I will have to get a set of wheel PCD converters to fit them. Has anyone fitted them on a Scorpio-N, and how is the experience? Pros and Cons?

Currently I'm on stock Bridgestone 245/65R17 tyres fitted on 8.5J rims. They jut out of the body line a bot too much for my liking, and the tyres seem uncomfortably fitted.