[Vid6639]

Check if you get the Yokohama Earth 1 in that size. They are perfect vfm, everyday tyres.

I'm using them on my Altis.

Related thread:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...ml#post3406645

[altius]

My Jazz has been running on Yokohama C Drive (195/60/15) for 17K+ Kms and I have been quite happy with it.

[Nikhilb2008]

Originally Posted by IshaanIan

Sorry I might not be as educated in this field, however, I'm now having trouble understanding this: Tyres with low rolling resistance obviously use a less grippy rubber compound and may have different tread patterns in the pursuit of less friction. At the same time they brake and handle as well as your regular radials? This is really confusing mate, why would they even bother inventing performance tyres then?

I thought it is widely accepted that low rolling resistance tyres do have slightly longer braking distances and things only get worse in wet weather conditions in comparison to regular tyres.

This video also clearly states that the Continental contiprocontact and the Yokohama AVID TRZ, both perform better in terms of steering response, and wet weather traction when compared to the other two tyres which offer more fuel efficiency. Also, the video shows that the gains in fuel savings is very negligible.

I personally have never bothered with low rolling resistance tyres but if you can actually provide some useful links I'd be more than happy to recommend eco tyres for the cheaper cars in the family

Theoretically what you say makes sense but in the real world, there are many more factors. For example, in the video, they only talk about how it feels. There are no proper tests done to check if the braking really decreases.

I have driven 2 identical cars (one with Michelin low rolling resistance and one with normal tyres of another brand). The Michelin shod car rolled for much long when put into neutral AND gave better braking in wet and dry conditions.

So, yes, theoretically, when you have low rolling resistance tyres, braking distance should increase but due to various other tyre related technologies, it doesnt!

This is why companies like Michelin, Bridgestone, etc spend billions of dollars on R&D. If tyre design was that easy, all the Chinese guys would have taken over the world by now!

Tyre design depends not only on tyre compound(where the silica used in higher percentages makes a tyre's rolling resistance lower) but on many other factors. The stiffness of a the sidewall could contribute to a tyre's feel on a track (like the track or slalom used in the video).

Also, the so called difference in the braking distance is so small that many times other real world conditions negate it (like alertness of drive, tyre pressure, tread depth, tyre condition, road condition, car condition, condition of the brakes, etc).

[devarshi84]

I will include V550DB, Earth-1 and CPC2 to MRF ZLO, Bridgestone My-02 and Goodyear Assurance fuelmax. Are the Acceleres not as good?

1. Which three tyres are the quietest?
3. From the three quietest which two tyres will make the steering lighter and give best feedback?

[devarshi84]

and Can we expect domestic brands like Zlo and Accelere to be on par with competition for a cheaper price? If you know what I mean.

[scrooze]

Any opinion on Michelin PS3ST 195/60R15.

[Nikhilb2008]

Originally Posted by devarshi84

and Can we expect domestic brands like Zlo and Accelere to be on par with competition for a cheaper price? If you know what I mean.

MRF ZLO and Apollo Acelere are on par with foreign brands. However, the new Apollo, Alnac is as yet untried. The Acelere was a very good product.

Originally Posted by scrooze

Any opinion on Michelin PS3ST 195/60R15.

The P3ST is quite good. There is an entire thread devoted to it in the tyre section.

[devarshi84]

Got the following rates for 195/65 15. Usage 15-20K per year.

Vredestein Sportrac5 6300 (expensive and overrated for my car)
Primacy 3st - 5750 (seems expensive for my Jazz for city use)
Assurance Triplemax- 5700 (arent they more for wet grip?)

Turanza AR-20 - 5200 (how quiet compared to Primacy and V550?)
Assurance fuelmax- 5100 (have armorgrip on lancer and are good)
Decibel V550- 5100 (seems like excellent price but heard they are soft)

Am I right in assuming that assurance fuelmax and V550 will do the job effortlessly? And how does Turanza AR-20 compare to v550 and fuelmax?

[scrooze]

Originally Posted by Nikhilb2008

The P3ST is quite good. There is an entire thread devoted to it in the tyre section.

My intent to ask the above was more from a upgrade prospective. Current geenration jazz has 175/65 R15 what is the openion to upgrade on 195/60 R15. What will the effect?

Originally Posted by devarshi84

Got the following rates for 195/65 15. Usage 15-20K per year.

Vredestein Sportrac5 6300 (expensive and overrated for my car)
Primacy 3st - 5750 (seems expensive for my Jazz for city use)
Assurance Triplemax- 5700 (arent they more for wet grip?)

Turanza AR-20 - 5200 (how quiet compared to Primacy and V550?)
Assurance fuelmax- 5100 (have armorgrip on lancer and are good)
Decibel V550- 5100 (seems like excellent price but heard they are soft)

Am I right in assuming that assurance fuelmax and V550 will do the job effortlessly? And how does Turanza AR-20 compare to v550 and fuelmax?

I hope the size you are refering to is 195/60 R15 and not 195/65 R15

[devarshi84]

Originally Posted by devarshi84

Got the following rates for 195/65 15. Usage 15-20K per year.

Vredestein Sportrac5 6300 (expensive and overrated for my car)
Primacy 3st - 5750 (seems expensive for my Jazz for city use)
Assurance Triplemax- 5700 (arent they more for wet grip?)

Turanza AR-20 - 5200 (how quiet compared to Primacy and V550?)
Assurance fuelmax- 5100 (have armorgrip on lancer and are good)
Decibel V550- 5100 (seems like excellent price but heard they are soft)

Am I right in assuming that assurance fuelmax and V550 will do the job effortlessly? And how does Turanza AR-20 compare to v550 and fuelmax?

It is 195/60 r15. And not 195/65

[Nikhilb2008]

Originally Posted by scrooze

My intent to ask the above was more from a upgrade prospective. Current geenration jazz has 175/65 R15 what is the openion to upgrade on 195/60 R15. What will the effect?

the upgrade will be worth it. Of course, you have to have realistic expectations. But by most accounts the P3ST is a worthwhile upgrade.

[neelchak]

Originally Posted by Nikhilb2008

MRF ZLO and Apollo Acelere are on par with foreign brands. However, the new Apollo, Alnac is as yet untried. The Acelere was a very good product.

Dear Nikhil,
Did you get any first hand reviews of Alnac 4g yet?

I am looking to replace my old stock GT3. My shortlist:-
1. Apollo Alnac 4G (Price 4500-4800)
2. GoodYear Assurance (Similar price)
3. Yoko AVS DB (Price 5050)

My initial shortlist also had MY02, ZLO and XM2. Price and soft wall perception is a major deterrent and I am hoping nothing can go horribly wrong with any of the above.
I am leaning towards Apollo Alnac based on test results on European sites and it being the VW OEM [however, there is almost zero reviews available in any forum (Indian/ Other countries)]. I want to know about its handling while cornering at high speeds, as the material would be softer than say GT3. Also, doubts remain about its durability and reliability.
Any advice?
My selection criteria is:-
1. Confidence while cornering at very high speeds
2. Good braking, grip (wet, dry, gravel)
3. Price max <5500 per tyre
I do drive fast (hit 80-110 on eastern expressway in Mumbai, 120-140 constantly on highways), switch lanes continuously albeit following all traffic regulations.

Thanks.

[Nikhilb2008]

Originally Posted by neelchak

Dear Nikhil,
Did you get any first hand reviews of Alnac 4g yet?

Thanks.

Sorry. No first hand reviews of the Alnac yet. It looks very similar to the Acelere.

I am unable to understand your logic of discounting the MY02, ZLO and XM2 on basis of soft sidewall but retaining the YokoAVS DB.

The AVS DB is one of the softest tyres around. It's better you kick that out of your options and consider the My02 and the XM2 at least.

[scrooze]

Finally changed tyre to Michelin Primacy 3 ST 195/60 R15. Just have driven 100kms after that intiall impression is that tyres are super slient. Will post details once is cover some more kms.

[mail4ajo]

Originally Posted by scrooze

Finally changed tyre to Michelin Primacy 3 ST 195/60 R15. Just have driven 100kms after that initial impression is that tyres are super silent. Will post details once is cover some more kms.

Any loss in GC or FE after the up size? I like to stick to 65 aspect ratio, how much GC loss can be expected with drop to 60? Has anyone tried 195/65 R15?