[pgsagar]

Originally Posted by Samurai

However, this is the first comparison I have seen where somebody actually rated A-Star looks over i10 looks.

Samurai, no offence meant here but you would actually be surprised if you do your survey and ask people which looks better--- i10 or A-star. Also, A-Star is nearly 1 lakh cheaper. Isn't that a big amount to tilt scales in favour of A-Star? And, A-Star is waaay more fuel efficient than i10 which in most cases returns single digit KMPLs. And not to speak of this i10 steering rattle issues AND falling standards of Hyundai's A.S.S.

[supremeBaleno]

Originally Posted by AravindMelepat

Ive observed the following pros & cons of i10 AT over Astar :
Pros
1. The VTVT engine(Better performance & FE).
2. O/D option.

Agree with most of your points except the ones in bold above. In FE, the A-Star beats i10 by a mile. And O/D option is just the 4th gear/cruising gear - both cars have a 4-gear setup and nothing different there. In i10, you can on/off O/D, while in the A-Star the same purpose is served by shifting between D to D-3.

Your other points about performance, AC, legroom in rear are spot on. Even at Kerala, I found the 1 setting of fan useless in A-Star. For decent cooling you need setting 2 and above.

Originally Posted by pgsagar

A-Star is nearly 1 lakh cheaper. Isn't that a big amount to tilt scales in favour of A-Star?

Hyundai needs something in the sub-5L range asap - a 1.1l i10-AT would be just perfect. Not that A-Star is any competition given that Maruti is concentrating only on the export market, but it gives users more options.

[Ameeth]

@ Moonshine: I was searching for a thread something like this. I am happy that I found one. Could you please give more details on the use of the gears of the AT? What was the deal that your dealer offered to you? What was the actual price that you paid? And what were the discounts, accessories and other freebies offered by the dealer? Your reply would help me better in finalising my vehicle.

[moonshine]

Most of the PRND features are self-explanatory (Park, Reverse, Neutral and Drive) The L (is the lowest gear or 1st gear and is of use when your in a very low friction surface and need to move very slowly without exceeding your rpm, alomst like tow), the 2 is the second gear and helps in cases of climbing or steep areas etc. Most of the time i stick to 'D'. Unless you want to indulge in engine braking at the lower gears

Discounts and accessories varied based on the December offer that the dealership was offering that included free insurance. Typically, AT has only 2 options (Sportz and Asta) with Asta having ABS, airbags and bluetooth that costs almost a lakh more.
Most of the accessories are off the shelf routine items, unless you really want to trick up your car and add some bling to it. I was given sun film, teflon coats, floormats, Seat covers (negotiated), Horn (upgrade). Have mentioned the final on-road price in the review.

Did you test drive i10 AT and A-star AT as well? If you have , would like you to post your findings and assessments on the same.

[moonshine]

Originally Posted by AravindMelepat

Ive observed the following pros & cons of i10 AT over Astar :

Pros

1. The VTVT engine(Better performance & FE).
2. O/D option.
3. Better aesthetics(Tear drop headlamp design, Beige & brown interiors).
4. Better legroom in the rear.
5. Powerful A/C(owes to its large 113cc compressor)
6. Best-in-class warranty(2yrs/unlimited kms).

Cons

1. Smaller service network compared to Maruti.
2. Pricing.

VTVT - better performance and FE from Kappa1, but not sure if its better than A-star as some of their mileage stats are higher than i10

Service and Pricing is always been a Maruti USP. In terms of spares, service networks etc. Maruti are unbeatable. But hyundai is not entirely bad either.

[Thilak29]

There is a notion among common man that Automatics are not good for poholed indian roads and villages..Is it a myth?

[Guna]

Originally Posted by Thilak29

There is a notion among common man that Automatics are not good for poholed indian roads and villages..Is it a myth?

One thing that happens with an AT is, every time you come to a crawling speed(like when going over potholes) it comes to 1st gear, which you dont do often in an MT. This plays on the FE. Other then this, I don't see anything which makes an AT unsuitable for potholed roads.

[pgsagar]

In an MT car we shift up as quickly as we can and we shift down ( when we slow down ) as late as we can, in the interest of fuel economy. If an AT car does the same, then it's perfect. But unfortunately petrol engines do not have good torque at lower RPMs. So most petrol AT cars shift up late and shift down early, further affecting FE. It is a different story with torquey diesels. Here there is very little difference between MT and AT, as far as FE is concerned. So my vote goes to a diesel AT anyday.

[vivriti]

Originally Posted by Thilak29

There is a notion among common man that Automatics are not good for poholed indian roads and villages..Is it a myth?

Potholed and generally bad roads are not unique to India. Even in the US, there are innumerable such roads especially after winter. Have seen huge craters. This is my observation after having lived there in 8 states and traveled around over 30.

The US is a market where most of the cars and trucks are automatics. AFAIK, automatics are fine for bad roads and actually preferred for snow conditions.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by Thilak29

There is a notion among common man that Automatics are not good for poholed indian roads and villages..Is it a myth?

When it comes to automatics, the Indian common man knows next to nothing. I have used AT in really bad roads on everyday basis for many years. it is easier to drive AT in bad roads than MT cars.

[Mpower]

Originally Posted by Thilak29

There is a notion among common man that Automatics are not good for poholed indian roads and villages..Is it a myth?

I've never heard of this. Are you the originator of this notion?

Secondly what is the connection between bad roads and transmission.

[Thilak29]

Originally Posted by Mpower

I've never heard of this. Are you the originator of this notion?

Secondly what is the connection between bad roads and transmission.

No I'm not
I have been considering an automatic for quite some time now but every other friend i talk to discourage me saying you will not be driving it in city hence don't go for it,supposedly bad roads and auto gear boxes do not go well it seems!
so came here to get things clarified..

[Mpower]

Dont worry. High end SUVs and 4x4 vehicles sold in other countries are mostly Autos.

However, it is questionable if the Santro/i-10's suspension+body+ride-comfort is suitable for bad roads. They are best enjoyed as city cars.

[motortechie]

Basic question What does 2 and L in PRND2L stand for?

Under what circumstances would you use 2 and L

[Jaggu]

Learned it from Samurai ^^

2- Gearbox will limit the shifting to 2nd gear. This is for hilly roads where engine breaking is very essential. So even if you rev, gear will shift till 2nd.

1- Similarly stuck to first gear, no shift

D- Will shift all the way up, in santro the OD button has to be engaged or else it will go only till 3rd. Should be the same in i10.