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28th January 2011, 22:34 | #736 | |
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If Maruti works out a 80+bhp and 180+Nm engine for Gypsy, all the other pieces are already in place. Just a dream though. | |
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28th January 2011, 22:55 | #737 | |
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Gypsy and Jeep have forever been childhood dreams for everyone. | |
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28th January 2011, 23:27 | #738 | ||
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28th January 2011, 23:46 | #739 |
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| re: Review: 1st-gen Mahindra Thar (2011 - 2019) Well Somubj if you cannot understand correctly what i wrote here it is again.My post means i'll pay up somehting like that money for somehting like that quality.If its below quality then i won't pay that much money. Also have you seen the costs of hard tops some of the members here have paid for making it locally? 70 thousand! So if i get a better one made from the company.with 6 month warranty i'll be more than happy to pay up. Desi jugaad is a jugaad and a company made one is a company made one however much you downplay the company. Moreover you're talking about creature comforts?what are you benchmarking it against?Now don't start benchmarking it with swift and nano! bolero is a benchmark but the bolero with the same engine is more expensive and it doesn't have 4X4 either. About you getting it customised from Mahindra customization.what do you want.The HT won't affect the warranty as long as it does not meddle with the mechanical aspect of the Jeep.Period. Now your second point about the USP.whats the USP of the THAR?why don't you look at the Bolero for your daily drive.Its USP is that its a 4X4 JEEP! thats its USP. I have wanted to own a jeep but just did not want to settle for the Jugaads available all over the country.Now i have an option of buying one from the showroom and sprucing it up myself.Now thats its USP. I want to get the kicks from modifying it and make it one of its kind.Now thats USP.how many others can boast of that! Its USP is not a daily driver.You want to make it one then be ready to shell out more. You are not buying a Jeep from chrysler and Paying that kind of money.Period! You are paying all of 6 lakhs ex showroom and getting a good offroader which will get you past a lot of things. Show me one more brand new diesel jeep in the whole word at this price point which can do this stuff? You guys can spend about 4 lakhs on making an army junk into a jeep and then keep pouring money in it every month to keep it in working condition and live with the constant fear of unreliability but you'll cry hoarse when you're not offered a AC. Oh man! you guys really need to figure out what you are buying! You want the USP of a 6 lakh Offroader JEEP to be its creature comforts. |
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28th January 2011, 23:55 | #740 | |
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All your points boil down to one simple thing. A Thar is a good Jeep, capable enough to take you on that Long distant drive to the OTR Spot. And Thats it. Hard core Off-roading. And that price. Naah.....! I saw the actual THAR today, Its priced a lac more than what it should be. You can get a 2005 4x4 Scorpio at half the price of the THAR. Spend another lac/ 2 lacs to spruce it up, you will still be left with More Money to Buy a Nano for your Better half This was my personal deduction, so dont flame me for this factual logic. For me its "Not convincing" | |
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29th January 2011, 00:21 | #741 | |
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BTW how much will a 2005 4x4 Safari Cost ? Cheers | |
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29th January 2011, 00:53 | #742 | ||
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I believe the thar has its fair share of issues, but Then which car in the indian market doesnt! I agree it should have come with An A/c and HT. I feel had Mahindra looked into this aspect they would have definately got additional customers. I hope They do something about this. | ||
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29th January 2011, 01:40 | #743 | |
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I fully agree with you buddy. about wanting a lot for a lot less. Show me another as affordable n modern 4x4 in our market which can also become a decent daily drive/highway cruiser albeit with some mods(HT) n I will go for it, i think there is none.Frankly speaking the off road/4x4 bug has been pricking me since long but the lack of a readily available n financially suitable vehicle always stopped me from joining the party. THAR GIVES THAT CHANCE TO ME. Thanks BD for bringing THAR, a lot of people like me will surely go for it. | |
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PS: please don't suggest me to buy a sedan, i am pretty much fed up with them. Also, even after reading the review, i had planned to buy Thar, but a bare bone jeep for this price was a surprise. I am still a potential buyer, but convincing folks back at home to let me spend this money has become equally difficult. | ||||||||||||||
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29th January 2011, 10:27 | #745 |
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I have high(low?)lighted the quality from the pictures of the testdrive itself. The driver's seat sits on an L-angle or square pipe welded in place? What can be more jugaad than that? Could have tolerated another toolbox like under the co-driver's seat. Sharp edges to the metal and the plastic (which you say Mahindra might take care to cover them up in two months). "Please suffer a few bruises and cuts, so you can call yourself a man", Mahindra seems to say. In so many decades of the MM540 in all its iterations, they still couldn't find an easier way to unlock a door. Or is it finger-yogasana that they are teaching us? You can buy an ex-army for about 1.5L and set it up in first class condition with AC, power steering, proper roll bar, premium soft top, a winch and larger tyres in about 2.5L. That's a top value of about 4L. Even with all new spares, I don't see the budget increase by another lakh. So take it, at 5L, we have an ultra reliable off-roader, with a very good life-style outlook as well. |
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29th January 2011, 11:27 | #746 |
Senior - BHPian | re: Review: 1st-gen Mahindra Thar (2011 - 2019) I think that if we take the Thar as a pure 4x4 off roader, in its elements in plantations and tea gardens, primarily in competition with rebuilt army jeeps (which are just not available to us civilians) then it makes sense. All of us agree that its mechanicals are good. What is lacking is the refinements. So designate it as a utility vehicle and not a "Life Style" vehicle. All that it needs is loads and loads of cosmetic (not structural) changes starting from seats and interiors, to AC, Hard Top and other accessories. If M&M does not (or prices it self out of the market), there will be other reputed agencies who will do it, of course if there is sufficient demand. This reminds me of time thirty or forty years back, when a well healed buyer would take his brand new Ambassador or Fiat and get it upgraded with bucket seats, plush furnishing, AC & Heater, horns and you name it. (At later stages even get the chassis welded at weak spots!). |
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30th January 2011, 12:24 | #747 |
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| re: Review: 1st-gen Mahindra Thar (2011 - 2019) The pictures posted by discoverwild make the interiors look DANGEROUS. Mahindra couldn't give us fit and finish, but the least they could do is make the interiors safe! To sum up the Mahindra Thar, one could say that it has an engine like Salman Khan, macho looks like Sanjay Dutt and DANGEROUS and CRUDE interiors like Dolly Bindra. Thank you for ruining a great Jeep and that too after having made us wait for so long Mahindra. As customers who have repeatedly bought your products over the years, we feel so very obliged. |
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30th January 2011, 16:15 | #748 |
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| re: Review: 1st-gen Mahindra Thar (2011 - 2019) Firstly, to Mr Khan and Mr Tejas : An exceptionally well written review. Most importantly, an unbiased review keeping in mind all the associated functionalities which may be required by any customer/target group. to Mr Behram, Mr Spike and any other member of the technical team here on T-bhp: A job well done. Thank you for bringing a brilliant power train to the market with excellent road handling. I don't know much about offroading and based on what I have read, The debates shall continue but credit is due where it's due. Now, my thoughts and they will most likely will echo most voiced here on this forum. 1. As a potential customer, I am appalled at the interiors, fit and finish. ( I think the point has been substantiated enough already) 2. Again, as a potential customer, I do not have to worry about what Mahindra's problems are, what their product strategy is and neither do I want to know. I shall want value for money i.e. OTR cost because that is the amount I am paying for the product. 3. I think I have read on the forum somewhere that this product is here in India because of Mr Behram and his efforts. If that is true, hats off to you and a heartfelt thank you. It must have been hell of a task to get the management to agree on selling a product for nearly half its cost. (SA Thar begins at R 169 900, converted into INR, its 10,87,809.03 INR, compared to 6L Ex-showroom) I am not saying that it would cost Mahindra the same for selling the vehicle in different countries. Needless to say, different associated overheads 4. I think Mahindra has tried to cast a wide net in order to see who bites. As time passes, things such as exact market size and volumes would become quantifiable and thus the real product cycle would then begin. Also, product strategy would evolve based on the sales volume as well. 5. Mahindra can do this and still have time on their hands to rectify their mistake; because there is no real competition in the same segment. i.e. a. Gypsy is a good 4x4 vehicle, but its petrol and the step motherly treatment from Maruti doesn't indicate at anything changing soon. b. Gurkha does have AC and HT but finding its price alone is a challenge, leave alone buying one. Can someone enlighten me on the same? p.s. I think this would be my first official post here, I have read all the rules and everything else and yet, somehow I feel nervous. Mods, Please do take the appropriate action but then you dont need me to tell you that |
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Please dont logically tell me that those power steering units which stick out like sore thumbs in front of your grille are actually going to work fine without ever breaking down. No way in hell it can be as reliable as a factory fit. Quote:
And now there is this new thing about the interiors being unsafe. We have been using it for more than a year now and have never had cuts and bruises. I dont know where you get your misconceptions. | ||||||
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30th January 2011, 17:12 | #750 | |
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There is a picture put up by the reviewers showing a personal injury caused by the rear seat bottom springs. So it is not entirely a misconception. And as far as the channels holidng the seat mechanism are concerned, it is quite logical to put some plastic covers on either ends. Should cost about Rs. 5 each. | |
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