[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by TaurusAl

I never mentioned my AC is blowing hot air or not working well. Its because of the heat from gear area I cannot feel the effectiveness. I hope I am clear now.

The floor around the center console area becomes warm after an hour of driving when the vehicle is new , once it runs a few 1000 Kms it no longer does that. The gear lever boot should seal the knob and should not let any air enter that way , nor should any air enter through this area.

The AC will keep the interiors chill despite all this - worth inspecting if it needs any maintenance. Please have the radiator \ coolant hoses checked and monitor the coolant consumption to see if there are any leaks.

[KkVaidya]

Originally Posted by TaurusAl

I never mentioned my AC is blowing hot air or not working well. Its because of the heat from gear area I cannot feel the effectiveness. I hope I am clear now.

Did you get the transmission oil level checked? Or you happen to change it recently? I remember my authorized dealer was going to use ATF when i asked him to replace transmission oil. I told him to use Maximile Syntec F2 to which he said is not available so we always put this ATF
I got him this oil from another dealership and was saved of this catastrophe but wonder how many THARs serviced by them would be running ATF !!

[abhikb]

Originally Posted by TaurusAl

Hello everyone,

When I drive my Thar at speeds between 80 to 100, my gear stick becomes extremely hot. It cools down in slows speeds or stop and go traffic. It's so hot that I can barely touch the metal. I also feel some kind of warm air escaping from the hole where the leather wrap ends. What could possibly be the reason ? The entire central console feels very warm and aircon feel inefective because of this.

You have not mentioned the age of the vehicle, however based on what you have mentioned it seems that you are facing two separate issues. The central console in my Thar near the base remains slightly hot at highways same was the case with my erstwhile Xylo. I would suggest you to get the gear and transmission oil changed once to get the excessive heating issue resolved.

As far the aircon not cooling is concerned, it can either be due to choking of blower or shortage of refrigerant gas in the compressor which can be resolved through a routine service.

All the best and do post once you are able to find out the root cause and it’s corrective action so that it can guide other Thar owners as well.

[TaurusAl]

Originally Posted by abhikb

You have not mentioned the age of the vehicle, however based on what you have mentioned it seems that you are facing two separate issues. The central console in my Thar near the base remains slightly hot at highways same was the case with my erstwhile Xylo. I would suggest you to get the gear and transmission oil changed once to get the excessive heating issue resolved.

I am repeating the problems again for better understanding.

1) Centre console does not remain 'slightly' hot, the gear stick is hot and untouchable after 15-20 mins of driving at speeds around 80-100

2) My AC does NOT have a problem. It becomes ineffective due to heat from gear stick.

3) I am asking what could be the issue and what can I look to address, which you are asking me to resolve and then changing the oils.

My Thar is 2013 make.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by TaurusAl

1) Centre console does not remain 'slightly' hot, the gear stick is hot and untouchable after 15-20 mins of driving at speeds around 80-100

Its a 2013 vehicle, the first thing to do is pull the gearbox down - very easy actually at the service center. Drain the fluid & inspect it for any seal damages (I hope it has some fluid left- and perhaps the reason for it getting hot). Refill with the correct one - as per the sticker on the driver`s door.

Ask the senior test drive guy to check if everything is okay.

No it is not normal for it to get hot. It is normal when the car is new that the gearbox and floor around the area will get a bit warm , however this gearbox oil filled from factory is changed during second service IIRC, afterwards it does not get warm that I would notice.

[abhikb]

Originally Posted by TaurusAl

I am repeating the problems again for better understanding.

1) Centre console does not remain 'slightly' hot, the gear stick is hot and untouchable after 15-20 mins of driving at speeds around 80-100

2) My AC does NOT have a problem. It becomes ineffective due to heat from gear stick.

3) I am asking what could be the issue and what can I look to address, which you are asking me to resolve and then changing the oils.

My Thar is 2013 make.

The primary resolution would be the gear oil change as the older the oil gets the thick and hard it becomes inducing more wear and tear to the mechanical parts. hence had mentioned the same in my last post. Even after changing the oil If the issue persists than the GB will have to be checked through a experienced service guy as suggested by Kosfactor.

I requested you to share the root cause and final resolution done so that other Thar owners can take a note of it and it could be useful for the community, haven’t come across the issue which you are facing hence the request.

Anyways your comments are taken positively and wish you all the best

[N.A.GTC]

Hello!

Looking to change the rear seats of my Thar, confused between these two options. Any inputs from people using these or who have been in these would be helpful:

Option 1: Innova 3rd Row Seats



Option 2: Sofa Seats w/ padding & cupholders on wheel-arches



(Both photos taken from Bimbra's website)

Innova seats would be wider, but considering it is going to be used as an open-top Thar, I don't think many people would be comfortable sitting at the edge anyway - so the sofa seats might be better then, considering the padding & cupholders. Plus, Innova seats would require that wheel arches be cut down by a few inches. But I'm not sure how comfortable the sofa seats might be.

Any comments from anyone who has either of these seats, and especially if they got them installed by Bimbra, will be appreciated. TIA.

[ralto]

Originally Posted by N.A.GTC

Hello!

Looking to change the rear seats of my Thar, confused between these two options. Any inputs from people using these or who have been in these would be helpful:

Option 1 does come with the cup holders and you don't necessarily need to cut the arches. What you will need to do is add a frame at the bottom to be able to utilize the locking mechanism of the Innova seats.

Few other differences between the two:
A. #1 will provide better width to sit for two grown adults. And yes they are equally comfortable.
B. #1 will fold sideways and and option to fold just 1 and use other one for seating. Also helps in ingress if one is folded. #2 will fold forward and tumble thus provide much better cargo area.

Only drawback is the frame at the bottom. You will loose flat floor if ever you need a flatbed for carrying some cargo. Although you could remove default locking mechanism of Innova seats and probably add your own custom one's which stick directly to the floor such that when you fold the seat, it gives you a flat floor.

Do not mean to confuse you but third option is to have captain seats. Those also provide a small alley for using backdoor for getting in/out. But I think they don't fold very well if you ever need to use back area for storage or carrying stuff.

Hope that helps!

[anjan_c2007]

Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM

Dear all - Now that the vehicle is in the market, I am delighted to post two photographs of our R&D EP2, the second engineering prototype Thar CRDe LHD vehicle. This vehicle was made for Europe Homologation. This photograph was taken in the courtyard of Bai Ratanbai Jamshedji Edulji Chinoy Dar-E-Meher, the Parsi Fire Temple (or "Agiary" as we call it) in Devlali. Devlali is an army cantonment township around 22 kms away from Nasik plant. The team from left to right is Behram Dhabhar / Vijay Waghmare / Bochak Bali / APS Rao / Padmesh Sewda (sitting) / Amol Wagh / Indranil Paul (sitting) / Kapil Dubey and Pratheesh Raveendran who you all know as "Spike".

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

The team leader pushing all his team members in front and he remains in the background. Behram apart from being a technically very top notch, was humble and preferred not to share the limelight as is illustrated in the image. For Fiats and Premiers technicalities, he was # 1 in our country. And apart from Fiats and Premiers, as a top notch automobile engineer, he could with ease answer any technical queries on automobiles.

Gone too soon an too suddenly.

[abhikb]

Totally agreed on this especially the closing sentence. The way he was active on the Forum for every Jeep and Thar related thread/comments/posts, it would have been really exciting to see his inputs/comments over the developments that have happened in last 3-4 years with the Thar brand.

I guess happy Thar customers is what BD wanted and there are many of them without a doubt.

Originally Posted by anjan_c2007

The team leader pushing all his team members in front and he remains in the background. Behram apart from being a technically very top notch, was humble and preferred not to share the limelight as is illustrated in the image. For Fiats and Premiers technicalities, he was # 1 in our country. And apart from Fiats and Premiers, as a top notch automobile engineer, he could with ease answer any technical queries on automobiles.

Gone too soon an too suddenly.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by anjan_c2007

The team leader pushing all his team members in front and he remains in the background. Behram apart from being a technically very top notch, was humble and preferred not to share the limelight as is illustrated in the image. For Fiats and Premiers technicalities, he was # 1 in our country. And apart from Fiats and Premiers, as a top notch automobile engineer, he could with ease answer any technical queries on automobiles.

Gone too soon an too suddenly.

One of my regrets of not joining TBHP earlier.

But here is a video of the man in action, also from where I decided which alloy wheel to use. A passionate presentation of why he built his dream vehicle for all of us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCVuAM8EMuM

[N.A.GTC]

Hello, need some advice.

Someone stole a wheelcap and some part that was inside the wheel cap from two of the wheels from my Thar. I'm not sure what this other part is. I'd be grateful if someone could let me know what it's called, what it's supposed to do and whether the vehicle could suffer any mechanical damage from the lack of this thing.

Wheelcap:


Wheelcap stolen; the black-part which I need to identify, remains on the front wheel:


Black part stolen from the third wheel:



Apologies for the noob question, but any help and guidance would be much appreciated!

[navpreet318]

Originally Posted by N.A.GTC

Hello, need some advice.................................

......................but any help and guidance would be much appreciated!

Nothing to worry. The front "Black" part is the Auto Locking hub. It is present in both the front wheels.

The rear wheels don't have the Auto Locking hubs. So you need not worry about it.

[N.A.GTC]

Originally Posted by navpreet318

Nothing to worry. The front "Black" part is the Auto Locking hub. It is present in both the front wheels.

The rear wheels don't have the Auto Locking hubs. So you need not worry about it.

Thanks a lot! That's a relief!

Originally Posted by ralto

Option 1 does come with the cup holders and you don't necessarily need to cut the arches. What you will need to do is add a frame at the bottom to be able to utilize the locking mechanism of the Innova seats.
...

Hope that helps!

I went with Option 2, primarily because of good arm rests. Though ingress is slightly difficult, and seats are not as wide as Option 1, it's still nice and comfortable. For a comfortable long-route journey, it's essentially a 3-seater vehicle now though. 4 can fit, but would get fatigued in about 2-3 hours easily.

Thanks a lot for your advise, though!

[DirtyDan]

The original Thar was introduced October 4 of 2010. I am taking a wild conservative guess, there maybe about 90,000 of these original Thars still on the road? My questions to our knowledgeable readership are twofold. Given that an original Thar owner takes good care of his vehicle;

1.) How long can an original Thar owner expect to get parts and service EASILY for his original Thar?

2.) Given its obsolescence, what will be the resale value of these original Thars now that the new model Thar is launched?

This is not just an academic excercise for me. I own a 2013 and a 2018 original Thar. I am relatively happy with both. They have been good value for money. However, I am now concerned with keeping them on the road for the next ten years or so. Please support your answers with fact based reasons as opposed to feckless meanderings based on wishful thinking, reading tea leaves, audiences with sundry oracles, pains in your aunt Sunita’s shrapnel ridden hip left over from her commando days.

My 2018 Thar near Nagrota, H.P. Off in the clouds there, the front range to the north.