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Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM Dear All – I have read all your comments in detail and I would like to share some thoughts with you. Before you start reading, I would also like to mention to you that I am not trying to justify anything. If you read my comments carefully, you will understand everything.
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Best regards,
Behram Dhabhar |
Sirji
We do not have any doubts in our hearts about you or your teams intentions. You guys have done a great job and many of us know how corporates work and at the end of the day its profit that counts. So none of the comments below are personal to you or your amazing team of enthusiast.
What we are questioning is, how can a manufacturer who sells vehicle like Scorpio and Xylo, under estimate similar market and try to sell such (sorry to say this) but "Pathetically finished product".
Sir to be very honest i have had long discussion/debates/arguments with my family to convince them the need for a Thar in my life. Ask Rudra he has heard my wife tell me "just go buy that Thar if you really want it!" I was that close! When i walked into that hotel in BLR on the launch day my eyes were gleaming. But then i opened the door and all my enthusiasm was thrown under the wheels. I had better feeling when i sat inside the Nano 2 days before!
Reality is, for such a build, even if it has a multi-cam twin turbo ecu controlled diesel engine, i cannot shelve out 7.3 lakhs. At the end of the day i have to live with it for years. Its ok for first few days, but within weeks i will start regretting, the moment i glance down to check fuel level. Its a hard reality looking back at me and a very ugly sight at that.
If it was priced like the Di, maybe i wouldn't have cared! Mind you this is more expensive than my Swift DDIs!!! Am from a upper middle class family and when i spent money, i do think twice or thrice. If it had atleast an AC i would have given it one more round of thought. But this bare bone 4x4?? at 7.3 lakhs.
I know nothing is going to change now, but still this is my exact feeling.
If as a manufacturer M&M is serious about the numbers of Crdi, i would suggest the marketing and pricing team to rethink both on pricing and the pitch. Or as i mentioned somewhere else, sales number will trickle down to single digits in a matter of months and this will become another classic.
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Originally Posted by Tejas@perioimpl The following i attribute to the poor FE:
- Test vehicle. In my personal experience, the test cars always run rich so that the customer experiences less vibrations and better performance.
- why i suspect the above? The crawl in 2wd was surprising! No matter what i did to stall the vehicle, it just refused to stall on letting go of the clutch. She would crawl.
- we did really push her on and off the road and many times she idled when we examined obstacles. So let not this be a test of true efficiency. |
1- If that is the case then the performance of the real vehicle should be questioned in another real TD report. But lets give the benefit of doubt, i dont think any manufacturer would do such a trick of providing a richer or tuned vehicle to press. Atleast i hope so.
2- This is incorrect, its the ECU kicking in, it will try to avoid stall as much as possible by taking over. Egs: I can accelerate from 0-~50 kmph in my swift without touching accelerator, by just moving up the gears. ECU will help me with the crawl and then the acceleration, but at a very gradual pace.
3- This yes, but in an ECU car so much of drop? I really am not sure.
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Originally Posted by Kandisa Point # 2: This sounds bit surprising to me. With an excellent mechanical package for on-road driving and repeated mentioning of its cruising ability many times in the forum, why the steering has to deliver a nervous feel over 100 kph? = But why with THAR??? |
Nothing but the servo assist, its not a variable servo. So higher the speed lighter the steering and super responsive. Only the driver has to relearn and keep this in mind.
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Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR Jaggu, that is not a body lift! |
Why we call it lift, is this is the exact same method we use here to increase the body clearance while building offroad vehicles. I have seen the same in an MM when i went to Kuttikanam. A friend is doing the exact same right now in BLR with his 550 build
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Originally Posted by khan_sultan Where? Can you point the checkered stickers in these pictures? We tried opening the 2 'black' rubber ones in the back, but they turned out to be "rivets". They are not the rubber drain-plug gromets |
I remember seeing the sticker at the hotel launch it was silver shade. Right spike??
Here goes
But whats the point of having stickers coz we need to put them back once we drain/clean the vehicle. And notice the water condensation from the mat.
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Originally Posted by khan_sultan I stand by my word. You can hold me accountable to it. Give me HT/AC & decent interiors at this price & I will buy it today. |
Add me to the list, who knows i might even offroad with it
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Originally Posted by ex670c What is this Shiny SILVER Thing? |
Looks like ECM?
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Originally Posted by shankar.balan Why should the consumer be bothered with internal company issues/ inefficiencies? It is upto the company to look after consumer needs as best as possible.
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There is an ad of IBM that says - "Dont sell what you have, sell what the customer wants." - M&M would do well to learn this concept. |
Yes in this era company should worry. Even though we might be die hard fans of jeep we will think twice before putting in our money.
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Originally Posted by Mpower Hi BD
If I understood you correctly, you are saying that the only reason AC was left out was to keep the price below a certain target. |
I seriously don't think so! This is just a plain excuse. My take is either they are trying to make a good margin with the low volume sale they expect for Crde
OR the whole development time frame was too short for finishing the design, install and testing. Maybe both.