[dipen]

Originally Posted by barcode

I two year old accords go by for around 15L

Guess it should be around 12. Akshay picked a 2007 V6 for 10.5ish. I am sure the 2.4 would around the same price if not more.

[hiren959]

Yesterday in our local news paper there was an ad. to sell off someone's Cruze LTZ done only 4000km, those who are interested just go grab it.

[spadix]

Respect, GTO! I must commend your patience and thorough research.

I'm in the market for a Civic myself and this thread has convinced me to look at the used car market as well. I hope there are some good examples here in Hyderabad .

Regards,
Spadix

[sdp1975]

Excellent write-up GTO.

If you can , please put up a full fledged review ( GTO styled ) on the car - ride, handling, performance etc.

How many miles have you clocked so far, any highway drives, suspension mods done yet ?

[GTO]

Originally Posted by spadix

Respect, GTO! I must commend your patience and thorough research.

Thanks

I'm in the market for a Civic myself and this thread has convinced me to look at the used car market as well. I hope there are some good examples here in Hyderabad .

Good luck with the search! I hope you find your steed sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by sdp1975

If you can , please put up a full fledged review ( GTO styled ) on the car - ride, handling, performance etc.

Sure will. Gimme a little more time to log on some substantial mileage. Will put up a longer term ownership report.

How many miles have you clocked so far, any highway drives, suspension mods done yet ?

About 3,000 kms since the time of purchase. Not a screw gone loose. Work has been really tight so I haven't had the time out for mods. Hopefully soon.

[sumathindra]

congrats chief and once again a great review...

[SmartCat]

Originally Posted by GTO

What I don't:

• Low torque at low rpms. Takes getting used to. Will be solved with planned performance mods (remap, exhaust etc.)

Originally Posted by civic-sense

Honestly, didn't like the drive very much in the begining. The lack of low end torque made it feel underpowered.

Hey, you two are comparing the low end torque of the Civic to what? I took an extra-long test drive of the Civic and never found it to be an issue.

Two questions about the Civic -

- It apparently has all wheel independent suspension. So wheel alignment needs to be done on all four wheels?

- What's the "official" service interval of the Civic?

[shuvc]

Originally Posted by smartcat

Hey, you two are comparing the low end torque of the Civic to what? I took an extra-long test drive of the Civic and never found it to be an issue.

I had the same feeling initially. Yes, if you floor it, there's a bit of 'hesitancy' before she snarls. But whatever torque there is, is pretty much adequate for me for daily driving. I also try to keep her above 2 - 2.5k rpm when shifting.

Originally Posted by smartcat

- So wheel alignment needs to be done on all four wheels?

- What's the "official" service interval of the Civic?

I think, only the front wheels are aligned. Toe is adjusted.

IIRC @ 1K, 5K, 10K and then 10K intervals. Need to check the manual !

[SmartCat]

I guess there is so much torque higher up the rev band that one feels that the car is sluggish at low revs

[ImmortalZ]

There are two reasons for the low torque down the rev range.

One is the i-VTEC system which makes this effectively a three valve engine (the intake being cut down to single valve), choking it for higher economy. The normal rather highly strung tuning compensates slightly, but with our detuned Civics, you can really feel the engine gasping for air until the switchover point sometime after 3000RPM.

Second is that the ECU applies throttle damping in first gear. Yes, if you floor it, you aren't really flooring it. You can't modulate it effectively in first gear either. Damn this drive-by-wire funda. All in the name of economy.

[indivic]

Originally Posted by ImmortalZ

Second is that the ECU applies throttle damping in first gear. Yes, if you floor it, you aren't really flooring it. You can't modulate it effectively in first gear either. Damn this drive-by-wire funda. All in the name of economy.

Congrats GTO !

@Immortalz:
However there appears to be some kind of learning as well, get this, after a highway trip ripping the car, the next day when I took it to office, the ECU mode seemed to be still in highway mode for some kms, so the car sort of zoomed even at part throttle. After a few kms in stop and go, it was back to its usual, press and wait mode (below 2k rpm).

Why did I post on a Civic thread again, that is the last place I wanted to be. I am still experiencing withdrawal symptoms.

[GTO]

Originally Posted by smartcat

Hey, you two are comparing the low end torque of the Civic to what? I took an extra-long test drive of the Civic and never found it to be an issue.

Comparing to...umm...its direct competitors? The Altis has way better throttle response at low rpms.

The Laura 1.8 TSI is as bad. No, its actually worse. You gotta give her generous revvs else she will stall.

The Civic definitely takes a little getting used to.

What's the "official" service interval of the Civic?

I stick to my own service intervals (i.e. 7,500 kms).

Originally Posted by shuvc

I also try to keep her above 2 - 2.5k rpm when shifting.

Under normal driving? If I'm in traffic, I like to shift <2,000 rpms. The way that I usually drive in tight traffic is, shift at exactly the point where the engine won't lug. Real easy.

On the open road, hit the redline each and every time

Originally Posted by ImmortalZ

Second is that the ECU applies throttle damping in first gear. Yes, if you floor it, you aren't really flooring it. You can't modulate it effectively in first gear either. Damn this drive-by-wire funda. All in the name of economy.

Said it like it is, man. Perfectly modulating the throttle at low revvs takes some getting used to. Thumbs down to this throttle damping nonsense.

[SmartCat]

Hey I just discovered that idle RPM in the Civic is just 750 RPM. Is there a link between low idling RPM and low throttle response? If I recall correctly, my Optra had an idle RPM of close to 900 - 1000. Perhaps increasing the idling RPM of the Civic by a mechanic could help?

[shuvc]

Originally Posted by GTO

Under normal driving?

I'm fortunate enough to have a pretty decent stretch of road for my daily commute. 12-13kms of 'halka' traffic with 80-90kmph steady speeds possible. Of course, I do tend to extend those possibilities !


PS: typing this from the showroom/workshop while getting the 1st service done. 1200kms in 3 weeks.

[indivic]

Originally Posted by smartcat

Hey I just discovered that idle RPM in the Civic is just 750 RPM. Is there a link between low idling RPM and low throttle response? If I recall correctly, my Optra had an idle RPM of close to 900 - 1000. Perhaps increasing the idling RPM of the Civic by a mechanic could help?

Nope, the idling RPM is correct as it is now. If you got the owner's manual check out the optimum speeds for shifting up, try and stick to that - it would mean that you are shifting up somewhere between 2-2.5k rpm, closer to 2k than 2.5k.

Hope this helps.