2010 Scorpio Automatic 4x4: Initial Report

4x4addict · 6th January 2010, 23:24

@pramod:

I have booked a Scorpio 4WD with Manual Transmission and not AT. I have an Hyundai Santro AT for my city use and for the highways and longer trips, I prefer a MT.

Even I thought that 4WD came only with Seven Seater with 3 seater middle and two side facing third row seats. So, I was pleasantly surprised to get a call from dealer today saying the factory wants to know if I wanted the captains chairs and I told them, I'll take the Captains Chairs in the middle row. The main reasoning for me is that my parents can sit in comfort in the middle rows and kids can manage in the front facing third row. I kind of like the minivan kind of configuration. I hope I can actually get this combo.

pramods · 9th January 2010, 21:30

Second set of problem, the autobox get into reverse slot but vehicle refused to reverse, after attempting for few times engine mal function light starts.glowing.
I have to switch off the vehicle and wait for 5 minutes and start again everything is fine, this happened 2.times. I am out of city will have to return ASAP and get to service center on Monday any help would be appreciated so I can reach safely back.
Pramod

anjan_c2007 · 9th January 2010, 23:12

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Originally Posted by pramods

Second set of problem, the autobox get into reverse slot but vehicle refused to reverse, after attempting for few times engine mal function light starts.glowing.
I have to switch off the vehicle and wait for 5 minutes and start again everything is fine, this happened 2.times. I am out of city will have to return ASAP and get to service center on Monday any help would be appreciated so I can reach safely back.
Pramod

The 4WD AT seems to be having teething problems.Hope it is resolved soon pramods.

FlyingSpur · 9th January 2010, 23:15

Great choice !! Congratulations. I like this colour too. The AT should equate to some pretty stress-free driving in town.

pramods · 10th January 2010, 01:20

I hopeless it gets resolved soon and don't occurs again.I am more worried about getting back home safely. I should be able to make it..
Pramod

4x4addict · 10th January 2010, 08:24

@pramods:

The most likely culprit is your speed sensor. Do you see any erratic movement of your speedometer? The AT box has a safety feature which will prevent Reverse from being engaged (even if you slot the lever into R) unless certain conditions are met. It is most likely a failure of that sensor.

For now you can just shut off and reset as you have been doing to reach home. It is definitely an electronic/sensor issue rather than anything major with the transmission.

pramods · 10th January 2010, 19:28

I reached home, I called Mahindra help line, as the mal function light was continuously on, if I shutoff the engine and start again the mal function light used to reset and come back again with in just 1 km and once the mal function light was on I can't engage reverse, Mahindra help line tried to get the service center guy talk to me and the only suggestion I got was to drive slowly and get to Nagpur. I will be taking the vehicle tomorrow morning for diagnostic.
1>When I restart the engine, everything seems to fine, I can even reverse, but within 1 km after a small thud sound the mal function light would comeup and the engine, after this light the engine looks like going into safe mode, the engine performance gets down.
2>when the malfunction lights are on, the vehicle would not reverse even if i put the autobox in reverse slot.

3> Switch off the engine, start again every thing is fine and it can reverse but again after some time the engine mal function light would come on and reverse will not work,

4> when ever the mal function light comes on, there is a small thus and you can feel that

Hope this to be something with sensor and not with gearbox or drive line, will update once it get fixed. Tomorrow would be the day to get these item fixed
1>mal function lights on and reverse not working
2> Airbag mal function lights on
3>Steering not aligned

-Pramod

anupmathur · 10th January 2010, 20:48

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Originally Posted by pramods

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4> when ever the mal function light comes on, there is a small thus and you can feel that

Hope this to be something with sensor and not with gearbox or drive line, ...

Pramod, the thud sound is a bit worrisome. I can't imagine how a bad sensor can make a sound! Seems to be a mechanical issue requiring adjustment.

4x4addict · 10th January 2010, 21:49

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Originally Posted by anupmathur

Pramod, the thud sound is a bit worrisome. I can't imagine how a bad sensor can make a sound! Seems to be a mechanical issue requiring adjustment.

Thud sound is not necessarily a problem with the transmission gears. My M-Class had a problem when shifting was hard with a thud sound and it turned out to be a problem with the shift control module (electronics).

hondadude · 10th January 2010, 22:52

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Originally Posted by pramods

Hope this to be something with sensor and not with gearbox or drive line, will update once it get fixed. Tomorrow would be the day to get these item fixed
1>mal function lights on and reverse not working
2> Airbag mal function lights on
3>Steering not aligned

-Pramod

Good to know that you reached home safe. Hope everything gets resolved ASAP

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4x4addict

Thud sound is not necessarily a problem with the transmission gears. My M-Class had a problem when shifting was hard with a thud sound and it turned out to be a problem with the shift control module (electronics).

The problem might be with electronics but electronics by itself can't make the 'thud' sound. It is perhaps causing some mechanical devices to make that sound and that isn't a good sign. It may or may not be a severe problem but should be taken at highest priority.

4x4addict · 11th January 2010, 10:36

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Originally Posted by hondadude

The problem might be with electronics but electronics by itself can't make the 'thud' sound. It is perhaps causing some mechanical devices to make that sound and that isn't a good sign. It may or may not be a severe problem but should be taken at highest priority.

For my M-Class, the thud sound was caused by a defective shift control module which was replaced. The transmission was never removed. Guess it was causing the transmission to shift incorrectly.

pramods · 11th January 2010, 10:48

I am at service center, I saw 2 error code one related to pedal accelerator and Senor other related to cylinder 2 misfiring, tcu also had lot of code and messages related to sensors that was not making sense to me. I hope they are minor related to electronics.
Pramod

4x4addict · 11th January 2010, 12:55

@promods:

Since M&M doesn't sell much automatics, the techs may not be upto speed. If you feel they are fumbling around in the dark, get mahindra involved as soon as possible.

Dippy · 11th January 2010, 13:11

Aw well written initial report pramod. Good decision on picking up an AT. Even a SUV the size of a Scorpio must be feeling easy to drive with the auto tranny. Will be following this thread with great interest since i am a staunch supporter of automatic.

Sorry to hear about the issues you are facing. I hope you get those sorted out soon. Mahindra has put the AT Scorpio into the market but I hope they also have the know how to deal with any problems faced which Maruti sadly did not have when they launched the Zen AT and so on.

vijaythacker · 11th January 2010, 13:22

pramods, congratulations on your AT 4W scorpio.Great to have auto tranny with the size like scorpio for easy driving.Many are eyeing your thread for reviews and feedbacks from your side.Enjoy your drive and hope mahindra resolves all small niggles you are facing right now.Hope they do have well trained technicians at dealers part to deal with auto transmissions, or else if needed do include mahindra directly in your case.

6th January 2010, 23:24	#46
4x4addict Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,492 Thanked: 4,599 Times View My Garage	@pramod: I have booked a Scorpio 4WD with Manual Transmission and not AT. I have an Hyundai Santro AT for my city use and for the highways and longer trips, I prefer a MT. Even I thought that 4WD came only with Seven Seater with 3 seater middle and two side facing third row seats. So, I was pleasantly surprised to get a call from dealer today saying the factory wants to know if I wanted the captains chairs and I told them, I'll take the Captains Chairs in the middle row. The main reasoning for me is that my parents can sit in comfort in the middle rows and kids can manage in the front facing third row. I kind of like the minivan kind of configuration. I hope I can actually get this combo.
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9th January 2010, 21:30	#47
pramods BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nagpur Posts: 989 Thanked: 841 Times	Second set of problem, the autobox get into reverse slot but vehicle refused to reverse, after attempting for few times engine mal function light starts.glowing. I have to switch off the vehicle and wait for 5 minutes and start again everything is fine, this happened 2.times. I am out of city will have to return ASAP and get to service center on Monday any help would be appreciated so I can reach safely back. Pramod
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9th January 2010, 23:15	#49
FlyingSpur Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,937 Thanked: 1,446 Times View My Garage	Great choice !! Congratulations. I like this colour too. The AT should equate to some pretty stress-free driving in town.
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10th January 2010, 01:20	#50
pramods BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nagpur Posts: 989 Thanked: 841 Times	I hopeless it gets resolved soon and don't occurs again.I am more worried about getting back home safely. I should be able to make it.. Pramod
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10th January 2010, 08:24	#51
4x4addict Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,492 Thanked: 4,599 Times View My Garage	@pramods: The most likely culprit is your speed sensor. Do you see any erratic movement of your speedometer? The AT box has a safety feature which will prevent Reverse from being engaged (even if you slot the lever into R) unless certain conditions are met. It is most likely a failure of that sensor. For now you can just shut off and reset as you have been doing to reach home. It is definitely an electronic/sensor issue rather than anything major with the transmission.
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10th January 2010, 19:28	#52
pramods BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nagpur Posts: 989 Thanked: 841 Times	I reached home, I called Mahindra help line, as the mal function light was continuously on, if I shutoff the engine and start again the mal function light used to reset and come back again with in just 1 km and once the mal function light was on I can't engage reverse, Mahindra help line tried to get the service center guy talk to me and the only suggestion I got was to drive slowly and get to Nagpur. I will be taking the vehicle tomorrow morning for diagnostic. 1>When I restart the engine, everything seems to fine, I can even reverse, but within 1 km after a small thud sound the mal function light would comeup and the engine, after this light the engine looks like going into safe mode, the engine performance gets down. 2>when the malfunction lights are on, the vehicle would not reverse even if i put the autobox in reverse slot. 3> Switch off the engine, start again every thing is fine and it can reverse but again after some time the engine mal function light would come on and reverse will not work, 4> when ever the mal function light comes on, there is a small thus and you can feel that Hope this to be something with sensor and not with gearbox or drive line, will update once it get fixed. Tomorrow would be the day to get these item fixed 1>mal function lights on and reverse not working 2> Airbag mal function lights on 3>Steering not aligned -Pramod
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11th January 2010, 10:48	#57
pramods BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Nagpur Posts: 989 Thanked: 841 Times	I am at service center, I saw 2 error code one related to pedal accelerator and Senor other related to cylinder 2 misfiring, tcu also had lot of code and messages related to sensors that was not making sense to me. I hope they are minor related to electronics. Pramod
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11th January 2010, 12:55	#58
4x4addict Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,492 Thanked: 4,599 Times View My Garage	@promods: Since M&M doesn't sell much automatics, the techs may not be upto speed. If you feel they are fumbling around in the dark, get mahindra involved as soon as possible.
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11th January 2010, 13:11	#59
Dippy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 7,628 Thanked: 3,041 Times	Aw well written initial report pramod. Good decision on picking up an AT. Even a SUV the size of a Scorpio must be feeling easy to drive with the auto tranny. Will be following this thread with great interest since i am a staunch supporter of automatic. Sorry to hear about the issues you are facing. I hope you get those sorted out soon. Mahindra has put the AT Scorpio into the market but I hope they also have the know how to deal with any problems faced which Maruti sadly did not have when they launched the Zen AT and so on.
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11th January 2010, 13:22	#60
vijaythacker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 1,499 Thanked: 75 Times View My Garage	pramods, congratulations on your AT 4W scorpio.Great to have auto tranny with the size like scorpio for easy driving.Many are eyeing your thread for reviews and feedbacks from your side.Enjoy your drive and hope mahindra resolves all small niggles you are facing right now.Hope they do have well trained technicians at dealers part to deal with auto transmissions, or else if needed do include mahindra directly in your case.
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