[nurni76]

Originally Posted by agambhandari

Its such a great combo, I would consider the M sport for the Mocha interiors alone. Btw, can you confirm that M sport still only comes in 3 colors?



Does it have the New iDrive v5?

Yes Mocha interiors definitely look good and is far easier to maintain than beige. In fact I tried hard to get my mineral white with Mocha but then had to settle for the beige.
The MSport comes in 3 colours of which 2 are unique to MSport namely the mineral white and estoril blue with black being the third colour

Originally Posted by ac-cobra

Consider the x3 as well. It's going to be replaced soon and though you might not get the pricing down to x1/Tiguan levels, but it might be worth saving up for a few months and then cashing in on the big discounts BMW is likely to offer.

I don't think you should look at X3. It is going to get replaced by the newer generation soon and without the 30d option, it will not be value over an X1 MSport. Interior space is marginally better than X1 while the X1 has more features than the X3. Yes you do get the longitudinally placed engine with the ZF gear box As an advantage in the X3 though.

[the_skyliner]

Originally Posted by sj_koova

Yes I am pushing them. In fact they called me again to hear my expectation. I have told them I am in no hurry as I have two cars at home. Unless they make a compelling offer, I am not going to budge. Expecting call back.

Now sit tight. I can already see a fantastic deal on your way.

Originally Posted by sj_koova

I test drove Tiguan twice and I am impressed with pretty much everything except the badge and mediocre engine tuning. There is absolutely no wow factor, but nothing disappoints you either.
BMW interiors are marginally better and seat upholstery is noticeably better. I don't have to say anything about the engine, transmission and brand value of BMW. Resale value is also a consideration I have in mind.

Apart from price, what goes in favor for Tiguan are lumar support, adjustable hand rest, slightly better space, AWD and apple carplay.

Also I felt the ergonomics and overall driving comfort of Tiguan is slightly better.

Seems like you really liked Tiguan. It is definitely a nice car however I am not convinced on the pricing part. 37L OTR is way too much. I would look at Endy or Fortuner with that money.

Originally Posted by RJK

I had a similar experience this past weekend when I test drove the new 520d Luxury line. They have very smartly termed "Registration & Logistics charges" and nicely included a fat margin of Rs 90,000/- over the actual registration charges of 13%.

IMO, the best way to tackle this nuisance is to negotiate OTR price directly and let them do the back calculation. I never get in to these details as long as am getting the OTR price that I want. In the end, that's what you have to pay.

[ac-cobra]

Originally Posted by nurni76

Yes Mocha interiors definitely look good and is far easier to maintain than beige. In fact I tried hard to get my mineral white with Mocha but then had to settle for the beige.
The MSport comes in 3 colours of which 2 are unique to MSport namely the mineral white and estoril blue with black being the third colour

My personal experience is that the x3 is much more refined than the x1 and the ride quality is much better. The seats are also more comfortable. The moment you sit in the x3, it's clear that it's a step up. You also get RWD vs FWD and a better gearbox.

[RJK]

Originally Posted by the_skyliner

IMO, the best way to tackle this nuisance is to negotiate OTR price directly and let them do the back calculation. I never get in to these details as long as am getting the OTR price that I want. In the end, that's what you have to pay.

Sounds like a good strategy but how do you negotiate with someone like a Toyota dealer for Innova or a Camry which don't get ANY discount & they are still bent on over charging you for "Registration+Handling charges", insurance etc?

Cheers

[sj_koova]

Originally Posted by the_skyliner

Seems like you really liked Tiguan. It is definitely a nice car however I am not convinced on the pricing part. 37L OTR is way too much. I would look at Endy or Fortuner with that money.

Had a test drive of Endy this weekend as it ticks most of my requirement. SYNC3 with MAP is a great addition too.

And with that, Endy has become a serious contender except the engine a transmission I disliked. The test drive car had done just around 2000km but it felt like it has aged and lacked the refinement and throttle response for usual city drive. It will do just fine for highway drives as long as I want to be a lazy driver. I didn't get a chance to exercise the 4x4, so really can't comment about the off-road abilities of Endy.

To my surprise, test drive Endy had kind of an engine clatter I could hear and feel on the accelerator pedal. I wonder if anyone on this forum experienced this. SA thinks it is that particular car having an issue.

After owning a CEDIA and liking a BMW X1, Endy is going to be a sure compromise for me in terms of driving pleasure. But there is so much goes in favor for Endy that it is tough to say NO as well.

Now it is X1 vs Tiguan vs Endy for me in the order of liking

If BMW doesn't come down to the counter offer I made, it may be most likely Endy for me as VW guys don't want to entertain even a discussion on discounts. They think they have launched the best car in India and people will stand on queue to buy one like in the ATMs at the time of demonetization.

[the_skyliner]

Originally Posted by RJK

Sounds like a good strategy but how do you negotiate with someone like a Toyota dealer for Innova or a Camry which don't get ANY discount & they are still bent on over charging you for "Registration+Handling charges", insurance etc?

Cheers

So far haven't bought any Toyota vehicle hence have no experience in dealing with them. But handling charges are common at other brands as well. In any case, as long as you get the OTR price you want, handling charges should not bother you because you will pay one final price and which pocket they want to put it in is up to them.

Originally Posted by sj_koova

Now it is X1 vs Tiguan vs Endy for me in the order of liking

If BMW doesn't come down to the counter offer I made, it may be most likely Endy for me as VW guys don't want to entertain even a discussion on discounts. They think they have launched the best car in India and people will stand on queue to buy one like in the ATMs at the time of demonetization.

BMW will come back with an offer provided they accumulate some X1s in their stockyard. Meanwhile you can enjoy the extended car hunt process (of course if not in hurry).

On a serious note, you can check with other dealers across the country as it is allowed for BMW dealers to sell cars to customers from different city and state. May be Chennai dealer can make a better offer.

[sj_koova]

Originally Posted by the_skyliner

BMW will come back with an offer provided they accumulate some X1s in their stockyard. Meanwhile you can enjoy the extended car hunt process (of course if not in hurry).

And they have. Latest is at 41.5L on xLine and 37.5L for Expedition.
I am not committing yet. I am asking them to remove their ridicules handling charges and bring down the on-road further.

[shajufx]

Originally Posted by sj_koova

And they have. Latest is at 41.5L on xLine and 37.5L for Expedition.
I am not committing yet. I am asking them to remove their ridicules handling charges and bring down the on-road further.

37.5 for expedition is hardly anything different from last year. Is BMW so desperate to clear their stocks ? I never knew that. Please share what figure have you negotiated. From your shortlist, I would personally pick the X1 any day without a hesitation, because I have checked the other 2 and there is nothing to beat the refinement of X1 than the price. End of the day, a German machine stands out from the rest

[the_skyliner]

Originally Posted by sj_koova

And they have. Latest is at 41.5L on xLine and 37.5L for Expedition.
I am not committing yet. I am asking them to remove their ridicules handling charges and bring down the on-road further.

That's a good price for both the variants. How much are the handling charges?

[sj_koova]

Originally Posted by shajufx

37.5 for expedition is hardly anything different from last year. Is BMW so desperate to clear their stocks ? I never knew that. Please share what figure have you negotiated. From your shortlist, I would personally pick the X1 any day without a hesitation, because I have checked the other 2 and there is nothing to beat the refinement of X1 than the price. End of the day, a German machine stands out from the rest

Expedition and xLine comes with reverse camera now. They claim this as the reason for price increase. And the discounts, Expedition from 40L to 37.5 and xLine from 45L to 41.5L.
I agree with you that, on paper it looks like a decent enough deal. But in reality, it is bit of an eyewash like the discounts in commercial street shops, where they increase the sticker price by 50% and offer a 25% discount on new sticker price. X1 price since launch to pre-GST had a 8% raise and GST has brought it down to may be 5%
1.4L for a reverse camera is something I can't get my head around.

No question on engine and transmission, but when I look at X1 from a complete car perspective, there are some compromises I will have to make. Also I am looking at the total cost of ownership for a 6 years period. X1 doesn't tick all the boxes. But yes, few compromises and I have an awesome machine in hand, a true Bavarian engineering marvel

BTW, Shaju, I noticed the same metal clicking sound from rear of the X1 I had for test drive. That seems to be a real issue. Were they able to get to the root cause? My SA said some loose item in the trunk!

Originally Posted by the_skyliner

That's a good price for both the variants. How much are the handling charges?

It was around 50000 in the initial quote they sent me. I haven't got the final breakup for the new price. I assume they made some adjustments but not completely waved off.

[shajufx]

Originally Posted by sj_koova

....1.4L for a reverse camera is something I can't get my head around......

BTW, Shaju, I noticed the same metal clicking sound from rear of the X1 I had for test drive. That seems to be a real issue. Were they able to get to the root cause? My SA said some loose item in the trunk!

Agree, 1.4 lakh for a reverse camera is not justified. Metal clicking sound from the boot had reduced over the months. Service guys don't have much idea about this issue. I feel it's to do with the shock absorber which can settle by more kilometers. I will ask them to do some extra checking when I do the first service

[nurni76]

Originally Posted by shajufx

Agree, 1.4 lakh for a reverse camera is not justified. Metal clicking sound from the boot had reduced over the months. Service guys don't have much idea about this issue. I feel it's to do with the shock absorber which can settle by more kilometers. I will ask them to do some extra checking when I do the first service

1.4L for a reverse camera is obscenely high! Is it possible to get the same fitted in my MSport? Do you know if possible, what would be the cost?

[docsr]

Thanks for a very informative buying/ negotiation discussion specific to bmw . There are a number of cars 2017 models , with2-5k odo reading in the he certified used section on the Navnit Motors site. These are listed as unregistered. What’s the deal here? Any specific issues I need to know if I pursue this. What are the pros and cons with respect to buying a “new” car?
Thanks in advance.

[nurni76]

I had the warning display of low tyre pressure in the right rear tyre twice in the last 3 weeks. The first time I checked it was 26 PSi against the 32 that I maintain. I again faced this issue yesterday and this time it was 20 psi and this drop happened 3 weeks after filling the air at 32 Psi. I am assuming there is a puncture. Can RFT puncture be repaired by the usual road side guys? Since this is my first experience with RFTs, this question. Request Anyone with an experience on this to comment.

[shajufx]

Originally Posted by nurni76

.....I am assuming there is a puncture. Can RFT puncture be repaired by the usual road side guys? Since this is my first experience with RFTs, this question. Request Anyone with an experience on this to comment.

Don't we have tyres covered in the policy? I have 3 family members driving on RFTs. It requires special equipment and tools to repair them. Roadside guys can't afford them in most cases. So it's safer to visit the authorized service or reputed tyre shops. We have plenty of them within city. Please update after the issue is rectified, it will be a helpful info for us