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| A Diamond White Ford EcoSport Automatic joins the family - Case of 4th time lucky! A Short Note before starting: This car has not been purchased for me. It was purchased by my in-laws family in Calicut, Kerala. I was closely involved through out the purchase process and hence have all the needed info. In addition, I have been driving the car here in Bangalore for the last week and will be driving it a lot over the course of the next month and on a fairly regular basis even after that. Hence I believe I have enough information for an initial ownership report and will be able to keep updating details on the ownership experience. In addition, I do not see too many Ecosport Automatic reviews here and with the price cut and increased interest in the Ecosport, thought it would be a good idea to pen down an ownership report. Trivia: I will be using the term co-brother quite a bit. As I understand this is more of a South Indian usage, clarifying the meaning: Refers to sister in law's husband. The Fourth Time Lucky Story Let me clear this first as I am pretty sure readers would be curious about this and I do not want to prolong the mystery to the end of the review.
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So the wheel had turned a full circle. The TSI was let go in favor of the Ecosport and in the fourth try, the family finally had an Ecosport. ![]() Background A quick flashback to 2010. One car in the family was a Wagon R (2005 purchased). The other car was a 2008 Taxi Innova which was called for personal trips when needed. Since the Innova and its driver became very popular, calling for personal trips was starting to result in good loss of revenue and also the car would not be available at short notice due to committed trips. Hence, in 2010 we decided to pick another car. It was around the time the Etios was announced. Having experienced the comfort and maintenance free nature of a Toyota with the Innova, the Etios was kind of decided as the first choice. We were among the first to book the Etios in Calicut, Kerala. Once the car was launched and a couple of TD's later we decided to confirm. The spartan interior was not really to our liking, but ticked most of the other parameters. In addition, we had appointed personal driver since co brother 2 would be in town only ~5 months in a year and this was just the kind of vehicle to be given to a driver. The Etios came home in early 2011. The Wagon R was replaced in 2012 with the Brio. By that time the thought process of 'Why not an Automatic' had started, there was even a rumor about the Brio Automatic coming Unfortunately as is typical of a dealer, they denied any such plans. Since it was considered more as a nice to have, we did not wait or look at other options since we liked the Brio. So a manual Brio Top End joined the Etios in 2012. 4-5 months later the Brio AT launched, we almost went right back to exchange the MT for an AT, but then better sense prevailed and that plan was put on hold. A Side Note: Co brother 2 always had a fancy for a nice big Fortuner like SUV. During every car buying process this discussion comes up and we put it aside, citing practicality concerns and the fact that he is there only part of the year. The Decision Process and buying experience The thought of an Automatic was always there at the back of our mind. With the increasing traffic and the dependency on the driver, it was felt that an Automatic would be convenient and would also be more comfortable for the ladies to drive. I got my Vento TSI in late 2013 and after experiencing that, it was more or less decided that the next car would be an Automatic. During my Vento search, co brother 2 had driven the Polo GT TSI 2-3 times and had been really impressed with the quality of the car and drivability. Through out 2014 and 2015, the topic was discussed, options were looked at and discussed. Few things were clear.
The one sticky point that initially did not get a closure was the question of which car to let go. Various permutations were discussed.
The SUV plan was kept aside yet again. With the high costs, limited practicality, it did not make too much sense. Our driver was excited with the prospect of a nice big SUV. He said it could use it to 'Scare and or nudge other poor fellows out of the way' ![]()
The Etios was a perfect beater car. It was running well, could take driver abuse, was very spacious and could handle all the big luggage oriented runs. The Brio could not handle all this in any way. In addition, the real need was for a compact AT comfortable to all. So finally, sanity was restored and it was decided to retain the Etios and give up the Brio when the time came. With that settled, based on the constraints above, most options were looked at:
At this time the Ecosport was not even in the picture, as we wanted to keep the budget to around 10L and the Ecosport was almost 12 L OTR. Ultimately it all kept coming back to the GT TSI. There was a 'Heart' Factor also involved, difficult to not like the TSI+DSG combo after experiencing it a few times. The biggest limiting factor was the cramped rear seat space. Decided to compromise on this considering the other parameters. Finally after all this back and forth, we landed up at VW Calicut on 31st December to book the GT TSI. Went on 31st December 2015 in the hope of getting some commitment on offers. As is typical of VW, there was nothing on the GT. Booking Notes:
The Downhill Slide
The Ecosport Story: We had not made the payment (which we had said we will not do without seeing the car), so we had the option to think otherwise. On a whim, they decided to call Ford and see what they say about the Ecosport. Note: this was just after the price reductions were announced post Brezza launch. Surprisingly, Ford had 2 Ecosport AT's in stock and were much more responsive then before. They called me to get my views and I did a small analysis (posted earlier in the Ecosport Thread) When we did the GT TSI booking, the OTR in Kerala was ~9.8 L. At that time the Ecosport AT OTR in Calicut was approx 11.85 OTR. That was a cool 2 Lakh difference. In a city like Bangalore, that difference would be closer to 2.5 L since the Ecosport was above 10L Ex-Showroom. In Feb, VW added new features and the price was hiked by 30-40 K. OTR Calicut became 10.3L. The Ford came up with the reduction of almost 80 K for the AT and suddenly the OTR Calicut for the Ecosport was down to 11.05L. . So what was a difference of 2 L was now down to 75K. What do we get additional in the Ecosport.
What we miss out on.
In all ways, for our needs, the Ecosport seemed to be the better bet and worth the 75K extra. The drivability was the key factor. I recommended to do a good Test Drive and then take a call. Co Brother 2 did a long TD and although it was well apparent that it would not match the TSI+DSG, it was quite acceptable. An additional bonus that it satisfied the Dream SUV need a at least to some extent. I checked the VIN report and was satisfied. All this happened on 18th March. Things went super fast after that. A friend who knew a used car dealer was contacted, he happened to have a customer looking for a car like the Brio. By the end of the 19th, the Brio was sold (at a better price than what VW offered), Regular insurance guy was contacted and he promised to have the cover note ready by 21st morning. PDI was completed successfully. On 21st March Monday, payment was done and delivery taken by End of Day. Within a span of 48 hours, an Polo GT TSI had become a Ford Ecosport AT. Lot of things fell in place like magic. The thought to call Ford,the price cut, Ford having a car available, the Brio getting sold in a jiffy, Ford dealer coming through with the promises and commitments. It was like it was always meant to be. Like I said in the title-4th Time Lucky. The VW SA had the shock of his life when we called and said we do not need the GT TSI. The Etios got some new seat covers and small modifications to the outside. Also planning to subject it to a good detailing package. The Ford Ecosport As seen from the specs above, the Automatic is available only in the Titanium Variant. The good thing is that the Titanium AT variant is not the same as the Titanium MT. There are some features from the Titanium+ which are available in the Titanium AT, but not in Titanium MT. Many of the features specific to the Titanium + were added as part of the 2015 Facelift. Link to the Face-lift Thread Features present only in the Titanium AT and not in Titanium + or Titanium MT
Features there in Titanium AT and Titanium +, but not in Titanium MT
Features only present in Titanium+
Overall, a well loaded car. Some of the features in the Titanium+ are nice to have. Hope Ford comes out with a Titanium + AT also soon. A Note on the Dual Clutch AT: Apart from VAG group, Ford is the only manufacturer to offer a Dual Clutch Automatic option in India (Called the Powershift DCT). Ford's DCT is now used in the Figo, Aspire and the Ecosport. Internationally, in most places it is mated to the Ecoboost line of engines. India has to make do with the 1.5 NA Petrol Engine. Recommend this thread on Ford's DCT by Bhpian Arunphilip. A Highly Recommended read. An Initial Picture: Love this Signature Light Guide (Not much of a photographer-apologies for the lame attempt at dramatics) ![]() The Ecosport is a much discussed and analyzed vehicle. So will focus on specific things like the Automatic Drivability aspects and other significant features that I noticed in comparison with my Vento (and Polo). As mentioned above, our buying decision switched from the Polo TSI to the Ecosport. So many of the points inadvertently will be in comparison to the Polo TSI that sits ~75K lower than the Ecosport and the Vento TSI Comfortline that sits 60K above and Highline that sits ~1.4L above the Ecosport. Last edited by Rajeevraj : 7th April 2016 at 22:44. | |
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| re: A Diamond White Ford EcoSport Automatic joins the family - Case of 4th time lucky! The Automatic Driving Experience Since the Ecosport has been dissected in great detail over the last 3 years, let me get straight into the driving experience. At the time of writing the car has done ~1200km with a 750km highway drive and rest in the City. A look at different scenarios of driving the Automatic.
Overall Summary: I think the reports that indicate that the Ecosport DCT is poor performing and lazy are a little unkind. The DCT does seem confused at times and the 1.5NA and DCT combo is probably not as smile inducing as the TSI+DSG, but overall I felt it a very competent AT. It does most things pretty well, the way it does some things may not be ideal, but it does manage well. I did not really feel it lacking in any scenario. The quirky situations, one gets used to pretty soon. In addition the DCT did not have any of the typical 3-2 jerkiness seen in the DSG and is definitely more reliable than the DSG. The car was driven to Bangalore from Calicut and this is a heavy traffic, mostly 2 lane route with ghat sections and hilly area roads. The car handled the trip well and never felt lacking at any point of time. Few other points about the driving aspects
Some exterior shots. Just a few since we have seen plenty of Ecosports. Last edited by Rajeevraj : 7th April 2016 at 21:29. |
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| re: A Diamond White Ford EcoSport Automatic joins the family - Case of 4th time lucky! Pictorial review of things that I liked as well as disliked. The Smart Key. Small and light. the emergency key is placed inside this. Could not get a picture. Noticed the Request Sensor on the door responds only when one is really close with the key, maybe couple of feet. Passenger door also has a request sensor. ![]() The Instrument Console. Loved the Start/Stop Button. Conveys that it is the power button and at the same time can be read as "Ford Power". Nice. Note that the Polo/Vento twins do not get push button start. ![]() Nice under seat storage compartment on the passenger side. The seat adjustment levers also feel good. Both not present in the VW twins. ![]() The soft padding on the door feels good. I think it can get dirty easily. The VW's do not have a soft touch area on the door. ![]() Wiper Stalk. Felt a bit plastiky as compared to the VW. The tactile feedback also not very great. same with the right side stalk. ![]() Liked this Info Display that tells exactly which door is open. The Polo/Vento misses this. A very useful feature. Also shows if the boot is open. ![]() ![]() AT gear lever. The top part is nice. Bottom part does not feel as well finished, shift action not as good as the VW twins. Not a big deal as one does not shift often. Note the Tiptronic buttons. Works only in S mode and is not very Ergonomic. ![]() Power Switches for the mirrors. Shame that the Ecosport does not get an Electric Fold when the lower Aspire gets it. ![]() Armrest, not as wide as the one in the VW and is Non Adustable. For my seating, it was a little too far back. Would have liked it to be a couple of inches longer. ![]() Keep hearing a 'Cramped at the back' concern for the Ecosport. Found it spacious enough. A view of the space available after the driver seat is adjusted for my height (5'11). Few trips with 3 average size adults in the back was comfortable enough. Much more comfortable than the Polo and not too different from the Vento. ![]() Boot space. Not the biggest but functional enough. Recessed door is a nice touch. ![]() ![]() The parking light guide and the Fog lamps. Liked the finish of these. ![]() ![]() The AC Console. Like the stalks, some of the buttons do not have a good feel. ![]() The most important feature- 6 Airbags. The cheapest Petrol Automatic with 6 airbags. Consider this: The next cheapest AT car with 6 airbags one can buy are the D Segment Sedans like the Jetta/Octavia/Elantra which go above 20L in most places. Even in the diesel, only the more expensive Verna and XUV500 come with 6 airbags. ![]() ![]() The busy center console. I think Ford needs to introduce a touch based HU soon. Lot of buttons here and a little cumbersome to navigate. ![]() Another view of the instrument cluster. A digital Fuel Gauge would have been nice. ![]() Last edited by Rajeevraj : 6th April 2016 at 21:53. |
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| re: A Diamond White Ford EcoSport Automatic joins the family - Case of 4th time lucky! Accessories Installed the IRVM based Reverse Camera accessory from Ford itself. Expensive, but looks solid. One flaw noticed was that at my seating position, I wanted the IRVM a little higher, but because of its size, it could not move up further and I ended up lowing my seat a little. (Note: My Vento in the background ![]() ![]() The OEM Sensor Display ![]() Spare Wheel Cover ![]() Magnetic Window Blinds (This was from a local shop) ![]() Parting Thoughts: The Ecosport was a highly anticipated launch and was one of those vehicles that was a trendsetter and met/exceeded most expectations. In addition it was a segment creator and had a free run of more than 2 years without any major competition, especially from the 2 biggies-Maruti and Hyundai. Unfortunately, Ford did not handle the Ecosport like they should have. In spite of the unprecedented hype and bookings, they made no move to increase the local dispatches resulting in long waiting periods. Poor dealer attitude also did not help. In addition they rapidly increased the price (I think twice or thrice in the first year). In spite of all this the car sold a steady ~3-4000 units every month. It has been discussed in other threads as to how such a product in Maruti's or Hyundai's hands would have easily resulted in close to 5 figure or more monthly sales. This is now plainly visible with Hyundai's Creta and Maruti's Brezza. The other curious problem the Ecosport faced was that there was nothing directly to compare it against (Maybe the Duster to an extent). When the Creta and the TUV300 came up last year, comparisons started popping up. With the Brezza's arrival and the price cut, there seems to be a renewed interest in the Ecosport and some of it's USP's are being appreciated. In, the case of the Automatic, Ford is still well placed. The competition is mostly diesel and are Torque Converter AT's or AMT's. We have the TUV300 AMT, the Duster AMT and the Creta Diesel AT. The only Petrol SUV'ish AT is the upcoming Creta AT. But looking at the Creta MT SX+, the Petrol AT will be 3-3.5 L more expensive than the Ecosport AT. Even then it does not get stuff like 6 airbags and ESC/HLA which are unique to the Ecosport. With the price cut, the Ecosport sits not too far above the Polo GT TSI and quite a bit less than the Vento TSI. It becomes a good choice for buyers wary of VW but still looking for a solid, decent performing Automatic. It would be nice to get an Ecoboost AT also. I think they have the price window for that. Also, with all the competition, Ford seems to have finally woken up to attempt to protect its Ecosport Turf. The positive experience with the dealer was a pleasant surprise. Ford has also stepped up its marketing efforts for the Ecosport. Will keep updating as we experience the car more. Thank You for reading. Last edited by Rajeevraj : 7th April 2016 at 22:45. |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | re: A Diamond White Ford EcoSport Automatic joins the family - Case of 4th time lucky! Congrats on finally getting the Ford Rajeevraj! The fact that it was the fourth time sums up the condition of Ford here in our country. They make it incredibly difficult to buy the car even for buyers who really want to bring it home. A far cry from MSIL or Hyundai where they would have taken money for booking the moment thought of a new car enters your head. ![]() And its a crisp and well thought out review. Thanks for sharing with us. The EcoSport AT Titanium is amazing VFM and very well loaded. Most things that you need from a car in that segment is all there. I haven't driven the EcoSport but have tried the Figo 1.5 DCT. As you rightly pointed out, its not a lazy drive train at all and quite decent compared to the puny 1.2 L units around. The EcoSport' heavy build wouldn't be helping here of course. Quote:
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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | re: A Diamond White Ford EcoSport Automatic joins the family - Case of 4th time lucky! Nice review Rajeevraj. Congrats on the AT. This is a very practical option with the 6 speed DCT and all the safety features in place for a very competitive price now. There's another quirk. Once you are in high beam you can no longer flash oncoming traffic. You need to go back to low beam to flash. On some highways you have to flash to request the other car to dip as well but if you are in highbeam, it's a 2 step process to dip. |
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| Thanks Rajivraj for sharing this ownership review with a detailed, rare insight on the Ecosport Automatic. One more advantage of Ecosport (over the VWs) is that the Ecosport is better prepared to take on the crater-filled roads, unscientific speed breakers and roads submerged in water, which are a common sight even in urban cities. |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | re: A Diamond White Ford EcoSport Automatic joins the family - Case of 4th time lucky! One crisp and unbiased review. Glad to see that you pointed out all the important and relevant points that can be really helpful to prospective owners. 1) Those signature lights aint bright during daylight right? Can you post a picture of it? Looks amazing at night/dusk. I was planning on getting that when they introduced it as an accessory but 13k or 15k was too expensive for it. 2) Yes, the high beam can be tricky for new owners. Luckily I had gotten used to it as this was the third Ford in the family. But you will love it when you get used to it. 3) Suggest you to get rid of the metal key chain. Heard it can interfere with the signal from the smart key when you try to lock/unlock. Not sure how true this is. 4) As you mentioned, the soft padding on the door can be really comfortable but gets dirty. But not as bad as the really light (beige) ones. 5) The driver armrest is really short but let me tell you (after experiencing the arm rest in the Creta), it's at a perfect height and it's a boon during those long highway trips. But this tends to get dirty fast. Fro what I have noticed, this armrest is pretty useful for the front passenger. Dont be surprised if you find the front passenger using this. You will find that soon ![]() 6) Didnt notice the request sensor on the boot door. Is it behind the handle? Good they updated that. The security at the malls had a hard time opening the boot. They tend to pull the handle everytime. 7) The rear parcel seems to that rigid material now. Earlier, it was that sliding type which was easy to handle. 8) After using the digital gauge, you will love the analog one ![]() I am sure you will love driving this in Bangalore. Congrats on the car and keep the thread updated. |
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| re: A Diamond White Ford EcoSport Automatic joins the family - Case of 4th time lucky! Congrats to your in-laws' family on their new acquisition! And thank you for a really well thought out review. I am so glad that you have helped clear certain misconceptions about the vehicle like the cramped rear seating, its sluggish nature etc. As a user (and unfortunately a terribly lazy one to write a review ![]() Here's wishing you all many enjoyable and safe motoring miles! |
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| re: A Diamond White Ford EcoSport Automatic joins the family - Case of 4th time lucky! Congrats Rajeev!!! Had some queries: 1. How is the room in the back seat? We are a family of 3. Me, my wife and a 4 year old kid, who is in her car seat. 90% of the drives are only the 3 of us. The question was, if we decide to do some highway trips, will 2 people + a car seat be manageable in the back seat? Or will it become a terrific experience for the 5th passenger ![]() 2. I know that you driven it less but what is the mileage you have got on your drives? EDIT: Re read your report which says that 3 is doable. However, if you could still answer my query, especially with respect to the car seat, if you have that experience, would help. Thanks!! Last edited by arvind71181 : 8th April 2016 at 11:05. |
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| Re: A Diamond White Ford EcoSport Automatic joins the family - Case of 4th time lucky! Very well composed review focusing on the AT part with a good amount of pics too! Congrats on the new acquisition Rajeev! Wishing you/your in-laws many more happy miles on the vehicle. One question on the ride comfort in the rear seat - Did the rear seat passengers feel thrown about during the drive? Asking because when we test drove the new Ecosport, the rear felt a little bouncier than usual. |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | Re: A Diamond White Ford EcoSport Automatic joins the family - Case of 4th time lucky! Nice review!! One question- did you manage to get the car into 6th? If so at what speed? |
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Thanks for the pointer on the key chain. Yes, the request sensor is behind the handle. Honestly, I did not know where it was, we went to a mall and I unlocked the central locking and noticed the security fiddling behind. Luckily another guy knew where exactly the sensor button was. Quote:
1. It will be bit of a squeeze. I did not explicitly try with a seat and 2 people. From my Vento experience, if I have 2 in the back + seat, I place the seat in the middle. Then it is manageable. 2. The mileage for the Calicut-Bangalore trip was ~12.5kmpl. This is pretty much heavy traffic 2 lane highways with a ghat climb and hilly sections. Within City only, have not checked properly yet. Quote:
Honestly, I do not know. As there is no display of the actual gear the car is in, could not be sure. And unless you pay close attention with music/ac etc turned off, it is difficult to notice all the shifts, especially to 4,5,6. In manual mode, did not get a chance to get to 6. Will try this out once more and update. Last edited by Rajeevraj : 8th April 2016 at 21:58. | |||||
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Unless manufacturers decide to a build in a logic : 1. Note status of high-beam 2. Receive signal to flash 3. If High-beam off then flash high-beam 4. Else if If High-beam on then momentarily switch off high-beam when stalk is pulled. | |
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