re: The Red Rocket - Fiat Grande Punto Sport. *UPDATE* 114 BHP & 250 Nm by Tune-O-Tronics Quote:
Originally Posted by blue_pulsar Oh! they overwrite the original mapping! |
Er.. not really. They keep a backup of the stock map file in some spare memory in the ECU, and will modify a copy of it according to your requirements. They will make this modified map file as the main one in use (by the ECU). Your stock map is always available on backup (even TOT keeps a copy of it on their system just in case) and at any point in time, you can ask them to revert it to the stock map, say before going in for a major service just in case you want them not to detect by driving your 'more powerful' car. Quote:
My idea was to actually install a Pete's box and remove it while I give my car for service, thereby, maintaining my warranty.
But good information you gave me on Pete's. I didn't know Pete's actually customize remaps. Their website also does not maintain this (unless I missed it). My aim is to get my Swift to 100bhp . They already have a box good for 92 bhp. Hope they add 8 more bhp to it!
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These are two different things here. One way to extract more performance is to add a tuning box. Tuning box codes are usually burnt/flashed in once for a particular car (say in your case Swift) and the boxes (car specific) are sold as mass-manufactured retail items with a MRP at accessory shops. Pete's tuning box for Swift will be one such item, so is DieselTronic by RaceDynamics. I believe this is what you are referring to. There are instances where a tuner can modify the piggyback tuning box code if the customer is seriously unhappy with some modes' performance, but typically this is not the case. The boxes are designed to be made one-time for particular models, and customers will just use them as is. In principle, a tuning box will sit in-between the rail pressure sensor and the ECU, and merely modify sensor values being fed into the ECU, and fool it into making the car perform more aggressively than it should by pumping in extra fuel.
The second way - a remap is a more customized service where the tuner sits and tunes the overall ECU map itself directly, completely according to your requirement and what kind of driveability you are looking for. It is also reversible and modifiable as many times as you want. You could probably go through some threads here on team-bhp which discuss a lot on each of these techniques and then narrow down on which one you prefer. ![Smile](https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.png) A lot of people stay away from remaps because it can *potentially* be detectable during some warranty claims / investigations. In reality though, a bench flash will not be detected unless the whole map file is dissected and analyzed by the service centre, which is a very rare possibility here at our local service centres, given their competency or patience levels. A remap is also the better way to go in terms of overall longevity of all the components. A tuning box (from whatever I know) will just modify a few particular sensor's values and in the long run end up stressing those particular components a lot, for eg. the fuel pump.
Tuning gurus, please feel free to correct my statements if I went wrong anywhere. Quote:
Originally Posted by IronH4WK with all that RED, you should stop calling it the Red Rocket and call it the Red Devil ( Trademark pending and all)! ![Big Grin](https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.png) |
Tthere's a night-time photoshoot pending. I have some photoshoot-specific decorative orange Neon tubes with me, around 3m in length *lol*. Will do up the dashboard and then we will call it the Red Devil, what say?? *winks* Quote:
Originally Posted by motomaverick Or there is a better name for it RLA (Red Li**t Ar*a)
Karthik, On a serious note, how is the driving experience till now? Any issues or things noticed that you might want to share. |
The driving experience has been wonderful. I'm thoroughly impressed by the improved driveability and insane acceleration now. Vivek had asked me to call them and let them know in case I want anything modified. I for one need nothing changed right now. ![LOL](https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/images/smilies/LOL.png) This pro-acceleration map is perfect.
Dyno runs and VBox runs are pending for this weekend, with Vivek. I'll let you know when I go to RRP since you also wanted to come for this
Last edited by KarthikK : 10th October 2013 at 18:00.
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