Problem with pickup in Baleno

Sang · 6th August 2009, 12:16

I have a 38K done Baleno Lxi and it seems to be jerking at low-gears with A/C on. This missing kind of thing I can feel in B2B traffic only.

Another problem that came up after the recently done service
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...-workshop.html is that when I completly depress accelerator pedal the pickup is not linear. It is as if it takes some time to respond. This issue is present in every gear, suppose if I am in 60 at 3rd gear and press pedal completely then it takes some time to get going. I can feel that pedal is pressed but pickup is low. I hope I am able to explain the issue

I am planning to take it to service centre this weekend and wanted to take experts opinion before service guys can say that 'This is a not a issue'.
Thanks

revtech · 6th August 2009, 15:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sang

Another problem that came up after the recently done service
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...-workshop.html is that when I completly depress accelerator pedal the pickup is not linear. It is as if it takes some time to respond. This issue is present in every gear, suppose if I am in 60 at 3rd gear and press pedal completely then it takes some time to get going. I can feel that pedal is pressed but pickup is low. I hope I am able to explain the issue

its because of the low rpm.one you hit 2000-2500 rpm it pulls, untill then it drags a little.its normal

alpha1 · 6th August 2009, 15:59

IMO doing 60 @ 3rd gear would place engine in its power band.
Shouldn't lag.

filcord · 6th August 2009, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sang

I have a 38K done Baleno Lxi and it seems to be jerking at low-gears with A/C on. This missing kind of thing I can feel in B2B traffic only.

I had this problem once after some idiot car wash aimed the wand at the engine. Water may have got into the throttle body or in the ignition module. MASS cleaned it for me, abut 500 rupees, problem gone.

revtech · 6th August 2009, 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by alpha1

IMO doing 60 @ 3rd gear would place engine in its power band.
Shouldn't lag.

totally missed that..

silver_shadow · 6th August 2009, 18:55

get spark plugs checked
next plug wires
ignition coil

also
fuel pump.

can't think of anything else right now.

athalaga · 7th August 2009, 09:07

Looks like an overhaul for me. Check with the maruti guys.

sushrutha · 7th August 2009, 11:28

The culprit might be your clutch here, Just check your clutch
Also as follows

Quote:

get spark plugs checked
next plug wires
ignition coil

also
fuel pump.

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ashthedivx · 7th August 2009, 11:33

When was the last time you got your fuel injectors cleaned ?? Usually jerks happens due irregular fuel supply Get it cleaned, Reset ECU and your problem should be solved.

sgiitk · 7th August 2009, 11:43

I fully agree with @ashthdivx. I was driving a friends Baleno on the highway (NH2). He uses Normal Petrol. The car was really sluggish, nothing like the vaunted Baleno pick up. We went to our destination and then tanked up with premium, After about 100km or so the engine felt different with a lot of pep.

I had a similar experience with a Cielo (no Premium those days, so used STP Injector Cleaner). In fact I poured in STP in my Carb Esteem, and within 50km could feel the punch there also. I have never used regular without an additive ever since. I normally use Premium.

I suggest you get the injectors cleaned out, or use an additive or use Premium petrol. You should see the difference.

Sang · 7th August 2009, 13:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgiitk

I fully agree with @ashthdivx. I was driving a friends Baleno on the highway (NH2). He uses Normal Petrol. The car was really sluggish, nothing like the vaunted Baleno pick up. We went to our destination and then tanked up with premium, After about 100km or so the engine felt different with a lot of pep.

I had a similar experience with a Cielo (no Premium those days, so used STP Injector Cleaner). In fact I poured in STP in my Carb Esteem, and within 50km could feel the punch there also. I have never used regular without an additive ever since. I normally use Premium.

I suggest you get the injectors cleaned out, or use an additive or use Premium petrol. You should see the difference.

Thanks for the advice guys..I have got the injectors cleaned in the service, details of which are mentioned above in the first post, around couple of weeks back only. I shall be checking with getting Indian oil extra mile this time.
Any pointers on the name of the additive which can be used for petrol? I know of System D which is used in my Indica but have never thought of the same for petrol car.

gpa · 7th August 2009, 14:46

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Originally Posted by Sang

Any pointers on the name of the additive which can be used for petrol?

You can use a few OWS products if you are interested. There is a thred on it right here in the technical section.

Else, you could just use premium petrol from either Shell or one of the other PSU oil cos. and it will help your cause. If you continue to use normal unleaded petrol with an additive, beware of the pump you fill from as adulterated petrol even if used with an additive can lead to the same problems that you faced.

vdiatech · 7th August 2009, 16:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sang

Any pointers on the name of the additive which can be used for petrol? I know of System D which is used in my Indica but have never thought of the same for petrol car.

I suppose you could start with OWS Petrol/diesel treatment for a tankful to begin with . OWS fuel treatment's effect wears off after sometime and could be expensive to use for every tank ful (atleast for some of us !).

you could then shift to System G, this is for petrol. 1ml of every litre. it costs aboyt 300rs and you can get it from any big / company ownded HP Petrol station.

I have been using IOC ( normal petrol ) and System G and more than satisfied !

mclaren1885 · 7th August 2009, 16:06

While you are at it, I would suggest you getting the compression checked from a MASS or a local garage.

vigsom · 9th August 2009, 13:04

My Versa has done 49500 km . I have been using Unleaded petrol from the most trusted BPCL bunk here for the last 5k kms;earlier I was using SPEED from the same outlet.

I have cleaned the throttle body at 35000kms but have never bothered about the injectors.

Engine Oil is repalced every 9000-10000 kms and gear oil every 20000 kms.

FE is approx 13-13.5 kmpl in a 40:60 mix of semi highway and city type drive with ac on most of the time.

Air Filter is still stock while plugs were changed at 46000 km.

For the last approx 10000kms,I have been observing that the car does great without AC but suffers a big drop in pick up with AC.I need to switch off the AC for quick overtaking since the road I travel is dividerless and quick responses are needed to overtake. With AC on,the car also suffers minor jerks when moved on second gear after navigating a speed breaker.Once it builds up speed,there is no problem.

There is no issue with the AC or its belt.

Any idea why this is happening?Any solutions?

6th August 2009, 12:16	#1
Sang BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 110 Thanked: 10 Times	Problem with pickup in Baleno I have a 38K done Baleno Lxi and it seems to be jerking at low-gears with A/C on. This missing kind of thing I can feel in B2B traffic only. Another problem that came up after the recently done service http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...-workshop.html is that when I completly depress accelerator pedal the pickup is not linear. It is as if it takes some time to respond. This issue is present in every gear, suppose if I am in 60 at 3rd gear and press pedal completely then it takes some time to get going. I can feel that pedal is pressed but pickup is low. I hope I am able to explain the issue I am planning to take it to service centre this weekend and wanted to take experts opinion before service guys can say that 'This is a not a issue'. Thanks
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6th August 2009, 15:59	#3
alpha1 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: LandOfNoWinters Posts: 2,177 Thanked: 3,007 Times	IMO doing 60 @ 3rd gear would place engine in its power band. Shouldn't lag.
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6th August 2009, 18:55	#6
silver_shadow BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 366 Thanked: 3 Times	get spark plugs checked next plug wires ignition coil also fuel pump. can't think of anything else right now. Last edited by silver_shadow : 6th August 2009 at 19:07.
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7th August 2009, 09:07	#7
athalaga BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 129 Thanked: 48 Times	Looks like an overhaul for me. Check with the maruti guys.
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7th August 2009, 11:33	#9
ashthedivx Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 1,359 Thanked: 24 Times	When was the last time you got your fuel injectors cleaned ?? Usually jerks happens due irregular fuel supply Get it cleaned, Reset ECU and your problem should be solved.
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7th August 2009, 11:43	#10
sgiitk Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram Posts: 7,971 Thanked: 4,808 Times	I fully agree with @ashthdivx. I was driving a friends Baleno on the highway (NH2). He uses Normal Petrol. The car was really sluggish, nothing like the vaunted Baleno pick up. We went to our destination and then tanked up with premium, After about 100km or so the engine felt different with a lot of pep. I had a similar experience with a Cielo (no Premium those days, so used STP Injector Cleaner). In fact I poured in STP in my Carb Esteem, and within 50km could feel the punch there also. I have never used regular without an additive ever since. I normally use Premium. I suggest you get the injectors cleaned out, or use an additive or use Premium petrol. You should see the difference.
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7th August 2009, 16:06	#14
mclaren1885 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 4,818 Thanked: 46 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	While you are at it, I would suggest you getting the compression checked from a MASS or a local garage.
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9th August 2009, 13:04	#15
vigsom Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NSEW Posts: 4,006 Thanked: 29,862 Times	My Versa has done 49500 km . I have been using Unleaded petrol from the most trusted BPCL bunk here for the last 5k kms;earlier I was using SPEED from the same outlet. I have cleaned the throttle body at 35000kms but have never bothered about the injectors. Engine Oil is repalced every 9000-10000 kms and gear oil every 20000 kms. FE is approx 13-13.5 kmpl in a 40:60 mix of semi highway and city type drive with ac on most of the time. Air Filter is still stock while plugs were changed at 46000 km. For the last approx 10000kms,I have been observing that the car does great without AC but suffers a big drop in pick up with AC.I need to switch off the AC for quick overtaking since the road I travel is dividerless and quick responses are needed to overtake. With AC on,the car also suffers minor jerks when moved on second gear after navigating a speed breaker.Once it builds up speed,there is no problem. There is no issue with the AC or its belt. Any idea why this is happening?Any solutions?
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