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Someone had a issue with their tranny's d light which was resolved i think by a simple transmission oil flush.This very thread has the details,please search for same.I hope your issue gets resolved the same way.

Since mine is also an AT I am getting concerned!
Waiting for more details.

In Third-gear:
103 kmph is at 4000 rpm.
3000 rpm makes 77 kmph.

Here are the geat ratios in the AT:

Gear - Kmph/1000rpm
1 - 9.89
2 - 17.19
3 - 25.82
4 - 36.63
5 - 50.34
(From OverDrive magazine September-2006)
(I have these numbers in a spreadsheet to quickly calculate speed for a rpm or vice-versa).

Here's the linky i guess the sensor had a issue.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...ml#post3074178

Your Honda engineer could be right. Since it was mentioned that there is no noticeable issues at higher speed (where ideally the i/p pump and o/p transmission are almost turning at tandem in the torque converter) and the lifelessness is there at slow speeds, it looks like the pressure sensors might have got problems in determining the fluid pressure to couple the i/p and o/p at low speeds (Since there is no direct coupling in Honda's torque converter, this is usually helped with the pressure differentiators which helps determining the lock up clutch to activate or not. This particular thing misbehaving can also cause the jerks as this is the only thing that has a direct contact between the engine and the transmission when engaged).

Prolonged but abrupt high load on the torque converter can cause the fluid to operate in very high temperature which can cause some sensor malfunctioning, which in turn can cause the clutch plate to misfire the off/on.

Please read Harbir's post on Honda's torque converter, if interested, for more detailed information.

Having said this, I still hope, yours is just a 'wiring' issue like the previous person in this forum :)

[EDIT]: Found Harbir's post link: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...omatic-14.html

Experts, Need your advice please.

When I turn my steering at parking speeds, I'm hearing a very slight grr sound from the steering. Also, steering is a bit tight. Does this indicate the power steering pump failure?

Because, I guess the power steering makes that sound if the oil level is less. and the oil level generally doesn't decrease until there is some leak in the pump.

Am I right? If so, can any one tell me what will be the approx. cost for the repair?

And please correct me if I'm wrong.

I ain't no expert but just putting in my experience.

Is the sound coming generally during cold starts ? Is the PS oil level between low and full marks or is it below the low mark? Is the serpentine belt smeared with oil ? Please for check above indications when the engine is off.A PS overhaul would cost 10.5K at HASS. Most probably if there is a leak it would be one of the feeder hoses.The one i had to change costed 10K at HASS while i managed to get it done from outside at just 5.2K for the hose plus labour & oil.Suggest getting the car checked from a competent garage rather than HASS as they would milk money.Don't delay if there is leak as replacing a PS pump is a expensive affair.My mechanic simply determined the leak by feeling the hose for oil leakages/wetness.

Good Luck.

What's the update on this sir ?

I have this issue in cold starts, and steering feel is slightly heavy. Service advisor had said that slight "grrr" humming during cold start is normal and I had wider tyres (205/65R15) - That made steering heavier. He said that when we put wider tyres, steering system should be recalibrated (Anyone who has done it, and how ?). Anyways, this whole thing is trivial to me as HSS never raised any alarm whenever I'll talk of these issues. They did not report any leakage either. My guess is you can ignore this if you have an upsized tyre. I'm living with it for past one year, so it should be fine. If in this earth a recalibration exists, lets try it out and see if it resolves this 'grrr'. I'll be heartbroken :D to discover that this also is an issue.

I've put in a new cylinder head, new engine mount, new auto-tensioner, new tyres, new belt, new fender linings, new thermostat, hacked head unit (disabled+removed defective CD changer for AUX). Lets see what else needs to be replenished. Please do not get me wrong or generalize my failures, probably I've got a lemon of my own kind, but I love this car and I find it reliable despite being so old. Some of them had to be anyways replaced owing to its age.

With so many new things in place, I'm considering re-painting the car in matt black :uncontrol and get a pair of new headlamps (stock one is very dull now, do not focus well and very weak lights)


Now update on my 'D' light blinking:
Car has to remain at service station till Monday (They are off tomorrow), and root cause is not yet zeroed on. Thanks for all of your inputs, and after reading the previous posts, I'm much comfortable.

Is the sound being heard at all time, or only when you make a complete turn?
Since Civic uses hydro pumps for steering, it indeed makes a small discomfort once the turn is completed and we still hold on.
In the manual it is mentioned not to do this continuously as this could affect the pump.

That's right Ace F355. Sorry for that. I should have quoted the original post on the issue and not your reply.

Not only in cold starts. Every time I observe, in low speeds when I'm turning a half round that roughness is evident. I've checked the belt and oil level, and both are fine. I guess I should get it checked by a mechanic once.

I'm using 195/65 R15 tyres which are stock tyres for Civic and still getting it. And re-calibration for upsizing tyres?:Shockked: I'm hearing for the first time.

What's the age and mileage of your car? And how much did you spend on all those things? Mine is 80k run. Guess even I should be prepared for heavy costs then.

At regular low speeds, the sound is not evident. It comes only at very low speeds (<10 kmph). Also, when I take a U turn and release the steering, it is not coming back smoothly, rather it is coming in a step wise manner (hope you understand what I'm saying).

Generally in my experience with other cars, that happens only if the oil level is low or there is any leak, but oil level is fine in my car and I couldn't find any leaks. May be HSS should be able to find the problem.

This step can be skipped. Still works. I used to do the step 4 for a long time but discovered that it is not really needed. Try it out.

Oh I didn't know it. Thanks for pointing it out. Although I don't need it now as I am enjoying the spoils of blowing a huge pile of cash on ICEing my Civic.

Aug 2006 model, with 58000 kms on ODO. Don't get tensed buddy, my expenses are specific to my luck. As you will flip back, the expenses are shared in previous pages. I can IM you if you need the breakup.

Btw, I got the shocker today. Service station said they swapped Oil pressure sensors from other AT car, and the issue was still there.

They have drilled down the issue to the following (Even without dismantling the transmission :Frustrati):
1. Main Valve Body
2. Regulator Body
3. Servo Body

These guys are so lazy that they want to replace above three systems with new units (instead of overhauling). Estimated cost is 1.2 lakh.
I have said them to not order the above parts unless overhaul is done. Parts are not available with these guys, and can take 7-15 days to procure from Noida.

I checked out a US site (hondapartscheap.com)
http://www.hondapartscheap.com/parts...sion-automatic

If I add 30% customs, still it does not add up to 1.2 lakh. The advisor was also saying that a clutch (3 systems) replacement for AT is done at 80k. I went through this thread, no one has done it. These guys are also saying that my car is first instance with this issue and they are clueless about this.

I also got a advice to stall the car by hitting a stone, so that insurance can cover this. I am not going insurance route at any cost. Since 2006 I have never invoked insurance, and I want to stay that way. I'm not convinced that I should put 1 lakh for a simple failure.
Can someone please advice if the pressure sensor can be easily swapped without dismantling the transmission setup. I have an intuition that these guys are giving random feedback and just talking without doing any real work. Since the car is old I don't mind swapping with new parts - but not unnecessarily. Only the required parts. Also, if someone can help explaining me the role of above 3 parts that have been recommended to me for swap.

:OT

For all the Honda fans out there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxy4n...&feature=share

I think you ought to take your car to an independent reputed garage for a second opinion