The Tata Safari 2.2L Technical / Problems Thread

rideon · 6th May 2011, 16:55

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Originally Posted by bj96

Will jacking up the truck and lifting one wheel off the ground at a time and then rotating it by hand reveal bearing noise? I have not done this before myself but, guessing if it is easier to figure out bearing issue this way?

-BJ

As the sound is prominent at speeds around 70kmph, my take is that it'll be difficult to reproduce if rotated by hand. Will have to lend a keen ear to it if rotated by hand.

tsk1979 · 6th May 2011, 17:24

Just take a TD with service adviser. Its an easily diagnosed noise, and bearing replacement is quick.

jaysmokesleaves · 6th May 2011, 17:37

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Originally Posted by rideon

Guys,
Need help on an issue with my Safari. For the last 2 weeks there is a very audible tire "Roar" when at speeds over 70kmph. Have checked the tire pressure and alignment and balance, but there are no issues. There is also a noticeable resistance in the vehicle since the roar appeared. I was told about checking the wheel bearings. Have yet to check them.
Any other suggestions?

I suddenly began experiencing tire roar on my new Yoko tires after about 15k kms. Problem was like yours, above 70kph only. Alignment was checked, tires rotated etc but roar persisted. Finally I checked with a roadside alignment chap and he adjusted the steering from behind the front tires. The tire roar has since disappeared and no unusual tire wear either. So i believe you need to look into your steering adjustment. The TASS is thoroughly incompetent in diagnosing such kind of problems.

rideon · 6th May 2011, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Just take a TD with service adviser. Its an easily diagnosed noise, and bearing replacement is quick.

Does this come under warranty/ How long does it take tentatively?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysmokesleaves

I suddenly began experiencing tire roar on my new Yoko tires after about 15k kms. Problem was like yours, above 70kph only. Alignment was checked, tires rotated etc but roar persisted. Finally I checked with a roadside alignment chap and he adjusted the steering from behind the front tires. The tire roar has since disappeared and no unusual tire wear either. So i believe you need to look into your steering adjustment. The TASS is thoroughly incompetent in diagnosing such kind of problems.

Now that you mention it, I do have what I think is a bit of play on the steering linkage. Makes a sound as if there is a metal rod touching the insides of a metal cylinder (metal to metal sound) and it comes up when you just move the steering wheel a wee bit. This issue came up after I did my Goa trip in Sept ( in the rains). The A.S.S. mechanic just greased the linkage and the sound was gone.
I'll check this up too. Sheesh...the Autolinks S.A is going to be pissed off.

tsk1979 · 6th May 2011, 17:58

Yes, its covered under standard warranty. Not in extended warranty though.

gowda79 · 6th May 2011, 18:11

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Originally Posted by jaysmokesleaves

Also,
1. what is the recommended replacement battery. Should I stick to Amaron(OEM) or are there better options? - AMARON
2. and what is the cost of a Safari battery? - Rs.4500/- (Old Battery Buyback)
3. What causes white residue on the +ve battery terminal ?
4. What is the life of a Safari battery ? - 3yrs - 3.5yrs

We had to replace our Safari's battery and got a very good deal from a known shop for Amaron battery @ Rs.4,000/- along with the buyback of old battery and 2yrs warranty.

tsk1979 · 6th May 2011, 18:24

what are the causes of a "sticky" clutch pedal?
I have felt this in the WE.
Sometimes, esp in stop go traffic with frequent clutch usage, the clutch pedal is sometimes reluctant to return from floor.
I have checked, there is no clutch slippage, its not hard, and she acclerates fine.

This issue came long time back(when I had gotten brand new clutch at 20K kms), but after 5000kms of usage, the problem went away.

Clutch is otherwise fine, its soft to use, and there is no judder.

Air in system? Water in system? Faulty master slave cylinder...?

smsrini · 6th May 2011, 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by bj96

Will jacking up the truck and lifting one wheel off the ground at a time and then rotating it by hand reveal bearing noise? I have not done this before myself but, guessing if it is easier to figure out bearing issue this way?

-BJ

Depends on the extent of the wear on the bearing.. sometimes does not come until a certain speed.

Rahulk76 · 7th May 2011, 17:14

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

what are the causes of a "sticky" clutch pedal?
I have felt this in the WE.

Clutch is otherwise fine, its soft to use, and there is no judder.

Air in system? Water in system? Faulty master slave cylinder...?

Faulty slave cylinder

Get it checked and replaced.

tsk1979 · 7th May 2011, 17:30

The problem came for some time and has now vanished. I guess I need to drive a few thousand kms more and then get both the rear LSD and clutch master slave cylinder fixed.

amitk26 · 9th May 2011, 07:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

what are the causes of a "sticky" clutch pedal?

Air in system? Water in system? Faulty master slave cylinder...?

Faulty master slave cylinder I think or leakage of oil from somewhere.
Just a coincidence before coming to this post I read on mercidised's ownership thread about cylinder from TVS check that thread.

condor · 9th May 2011, 08:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

what are the causes of a "sticky" clutch pedal?
I have felt this in the WE.

Trace the clutch pedal upwards from it's bottom point & check for any oil leakage. If there is oil leakage, then your clutch MC is possibly gone.

tsk1979 · 9th May 2011, 11:12

the problem went away on its own. I traced the clutch pedal upwards, and there is no oil anywhere.
I am suspecting the spring may be faulty, as it makes noises sometimes.
From what I read, if the spring goes for a toss, the clutch return does not happen, right?

mercedised · 9th May 2011, 11:48

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

the problem went away on its own. I traced the clutch pedal upwards, and there is no oil anywhere.
I am suspecting the spring may be faulty, as it makes noises sometimes.
From what I read, if the spring goes for a toss, the clutch return does not happen, right?

Spring fault hardly happens. The obstructed return of clutch might be due to following reasons:

1) Ambry deposition in the clutch system, you will have to bleed the system in this case. Happened with me, the clutch pedal used to stuck sometimes to the floor, I have to manually bring it back by hands or legs.

2) Faulty Slave cylinder, in most cases slave cylinder goes for toss, you might experience oil leak in this case or stuck clutch pedal.

3) Clutch cable stuck or jammed. (again same thing happened with me once)

tsk1979 · 9th May 2011, 12:12

In my case it never sticks to the floor.
After I lift my foot off the clutch, it took a little delay in coming back up.
Happened a couple of times, and after that its behaving fine.
Anyways I have pending jobs now
1. Rear LSD kit - Makes noise only after long use. the extended warranty guy is going to approve only if noise increases
2. Clutch inspection - I think I will replace spring anways. Its making noises, and its a cheap part. A stich in time saves nine!
3. Steering very loose - Too much play also. Replacement of center pin bush did not fix it as expected.

6th May 2011, 17:24	#3302
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,725 Thanked: 23,018 Times View My Garage	re: The Tata Safari 2.2L Technical / Problems Thread Just take a TD with service adviser. Its an easily diagnosed noise, and bearing replacement is quick.
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6th May 2011, 17:58	#3305
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,725 Thanked: 23,018 Times View My Garage	re: The Tata Safari 2.2L Technical / Problems Thread Yes, its covered under standard warranty. Not in extended warranty though.
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6th May 2011, 18:24	#3307
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,725 Thanked: 23,018 Times View My Garage	re: The Tata Safari 2.2L Technical / Problems Thread what are the causes of a "sticky" clutch pedal? I have felt this in the WE. Sometimes, esp in stop go traffic with frequent clutch usage, the clutch pedal is sometimes reluctant to return from floor. I have checked, there is no clutch slippage, its not hard, and she acclerates fine. This issue came long time back(when I had gotten brand new clutch at 20K kms), but after 5000kms of usage, the problem went away. Clutch is otherwise fine, its soft to use, and there is no judder. Air in system? Water in system? Faulty master slave cylinder...?
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7th May 2011, 17:30	#3310
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,725 Thanked: 23,018 Times View My Garage	re: The Tata Safari 2.2L Technical / Problems Thread The problem came for some time and has now vanished. I guess I need to drive a few thousand kms more and then get both the rear LSD and clutch master slave cylinder fixed.
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9th May 2011, 11:12	#3313
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,725 Thanked: 23,018 Times View My Garage	re: The Tata Safari 2.2L Technical / Problems Thread the problem went away on its own. I traced the clutch pedal upwards, and there is no oil anywhere. I am suspecting the spring may be faulty, as it makes noises sometimes. From what I read, if the spring goes for a toss, the clutch return does not happen, right?
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9th May 2011, 12:12	#3315
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,725 Thanked: 23,018 Times View My Garage	re: The Tata Safari 2.2L Technical / Problems Thread In my case it never sticks to the floor. After I lift my foot off the clutch, it took a little delay in coming back up. Happened a couple of times, and after that its behaving fine. Anyways I have pending jobs now 1. Rear LSD kit - Makes noise only after long use. the extended warranty guy is going to approve only if noise increases 2. Clutch inspection - I think I will replace spring anways. Its making noises, and its a cheap part. A stich in time saves nine! 3. Steering very loose - Too much play also. Replacement of center pin bush did not fix it as expected.
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