The Tata Safari 2.2L Technical / Problems Thread

dadu · 16th October 2010, 11:54

@amitk26, 2.2 ltr has self adjusting tappets

@rrsteer, its the same fluid for both clutch, brake.

lodhra · 18th October 2010, 12:41

Hello

I hope this post is not out of context of this thread

Mods pls do the needful

As I had mentioned earlier , a stone hit my windshield from a speeding truck and it developed a crack

As advised I went to change the windshield

The spares dept informed they had placed an order and will arrive in 2 days. after two days they said on monday

When i call them no one has a clue, one says its arrived and need checking and one says its not

Finally i got to speak with the spares division guy who told me its not arrived and will take two more days

I told them that its not right on their part to keep me misinformed as I may ahve tried at other service station of TATA and do they want me to write to TATA myself

On that the guy gave me a rude reply saying "complaint karna hain to karo"

my queries are

1>Should i look for alternative service station [i like my service guy here and he knows lot about safari issues as before him 3 guys could not solve my problems]

2>Should i write to TATA

3>Is windshield such a rare spare that its out of stock and takes so much time to arrive

4>Should i be writing to someone else or just wait keep them calling till finally it arrives

Regards

ACM · 25th October 2010, 11:52

1) The TATA Service guy has been rude to you - pls complain to TATA and to the head of that centre.

2) You may wish to check out some other authorized Centre, though this seems to be more of an individual issue.

3) Possibly the guy reacted in such a manner (though he shouldn't) as the delay was at TATA end for this case?

4) You can get a windshield for the TATA Safari (and almost all other car models) replaced at Windshield Experts chain within the day, and they actually do a more professional job then the Authorized centre guys as this is their expertise area.

harimakesh · 4th November 2010, 15:28

Experts please clarify the query:

On the Safari LX the missing essential safety features engine immobilizer and rear demister can be fixed at dealership / open market?

How much the engine immobilizer and rear demister costs?

sunishsamuel · 4th November 2010, 16:28

Lx model safari can be fixed with immobilizer, the minda ones would cost about 35-4500 depending on current rates (i paid 3500 approx in 2008). However, the immbolizer light would be a crude looking LED popping out under the Steering column as it cannot be connected to the OE wiring (though technically possible) And please ensure a trained technician does it otherwise, wiring gets messed up badly.

Rear demister would need replacing the LX rear windshield and adding the heater element. Should cost anywhere between 6-8k. Most dealerships won't encourage this addition though. I have not done this, so please don't quote me

HappyWheels · 4th November 2010, 18:06

Both are additions that are best experienced as factory fitted features.

More so the engine immobilizer!

But, this is just my opinion.

mercedised · 6th November 2010, 19:55

The clutch oil in my TCIC Safari is leaking (infact, very quickly, in every 5kms of highway driving the clutch oil was drained fully). I topped up with brake oil and returned to home. The clutch is not working anymore (and works only if I fill oil, obviously & for a few kms only in city). Could anybody tell me the cause?

@MODS: Apologies for posting the same problem here too, but, I thought posting here will result in better replies.

slicks · 8th November 2010, 19:52

Guys,

My GX has run ~7k Kms, in 5 odd months, and i am planning on a drive from Bombay to Lucknow and back in the 3rd week of Nov.

The car has not not gone through an oil change till now, and has been a mix of city and highway (only expressway) runs. My usual office to home jaunt is a 8 km daily run (to and fro) during which i run 95% in 2nd gear. 5% in 1/3rd gears

Given the scenario, i was thinking i should get my engine oil change done about a week before i leave for Lucknow? The scheduled oil change is at 15k kms as part of the 3rd service.

Does this make sense.

cheers, slicks.

bj96 · 9th November 2010, 20:45

Kindly comment, looking at the pictures below, is this serious or OK after about 900kms drive in 4 days. I engaged 4x4 only once for about 200 meters or so to climb up a steep slope in a tight spot in Goa. After returning home, I removed the LHS hub cap, but didn't find any unusual oil/seepage under it.

Is this normal brake dust/grime?

LHS cover showing greasy circle:

The Tata Safari 2.2L Technical / Problems Thread-lhshubcap.jpg

RHS cover is relatively clean:

The Tata Safari 2.2L Technical / Problems Thread-rhshubcap.jpg

tia,

-BJ

smsrini · 9th November 2010, 21:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by bj96

Kindly comment, looking at the pictures below, is this serious or OK after about 900kms drive in 4 days. I engaged 4x4 only once for about 200 meters or so to climb up a steep slope in a tight spot in Goa. After returning home, I removed the LHS hub cap, but didn't find any unusual oil/seepage under it.

Is this normal brake dust/grime?

tia,

-BJ

Looks like normal brake dust... I find much more on my front wheels after a highway run..

HappyWheels · 9th November 2010, 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by slicks

...The car has not not gone through an oil change till now, and has been a mix of city and highway (only expressway) runs. My usual office to home jaunt is a 8 km daily run (to and fro) during which i run 95% in 2nd gear. 5% in 1/3rd gears

Given the scenario, i was thinking i should get my engine oil change done about a week before i leave for Lucknow? The scheduled oil change is at 15k kms as part of the 3rd service.

Does this make sense...

Not in the books, but would definitely recommend it; more so because you are still running on the oil that came from the factory.

Please do change the oil and oil filter before the trip; but do not let this stop you from changing the oil or filter at 15k kms service.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bj96

...Is this normal brake dust/grime?...

BJ:

It is so clean, so what is your concern!

Absolutely normal is what I see.

EDIT: And BJ, nice try with those tapes, but my experience says that it is not necessary. If the force is so strong to pull it out, this tape will be ripped out. But then, no harm though.

And, edit the signature spelling.

bj96 · 9th November 2010, 22:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by smsrini

Looks like normal brake dust... I find much more on my front wheels after a highway run..

Quote:

Originally Posted by HappyWheels

Absolutely normal is what I see.
...
And, edit the signature spelling.

Thanks guys.

@HW you have got a hawk's eye. Corrected it. Thanks again.
-BJ

tsk1979 · 10th November 2010, 11:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by HappyWheels

Not in the books, but would definitely recommend it; more so because you are still running on the oil that came from the factory.

Please do change the oil and oil filter before the trip; but do not let this stop you from changing the oil or filter at 15k kms service.

Counter point : The only time your vehicle has probably 100% new lube oil instead of old/new (30-70 mix) is when its from the factory. Thats probably the best oil she will get

But then, workshops mixing old and new engine oils to make more money is the topic of another thread!

That said, I went for a voluntary oil change at 7500kms, because I had done 4WD driving in the desert around 3000-4000kms mark.

anujmishra · 10th November 2010, 11:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

That said, I went for a voluntary oil change at 7500kms, because I had done 4WD driving in the desert around 3000-4000kms mark.

I prefer lets stick to company recommended procedure than other recommendation. I do not think TATA or any manufacturer prescribe wrong thing. Yes company recommend after lots of tests and procedures. Oil change is always paid by customer. If you over maintain your car then there is no ending.

As Tanveer changed oil around 7.5K due to dusty/sandy drive it is also prescribed in manual. If you do not drive over dusty/sandy road then you can change it around 15K KMs.

However anyone found problem with company recommended duration? What precise extra benefit they got after changing oil early. (Like how many thousand KMs engine life increased).

tsk1979 · 10th November 2010, 11:24

Anuj, I never change oil early. It was the first oil change.
My vehicle was May 2010 mfred, and I got it only in End july.
So by the time I did 7500kms, the oil was already sitting in the vehicle for 10 months or so I think.

According to company, oil change must happen every 15000kms, or 1 year, whichever is earlier.

After that my running has been high, so I change oil every 15000kms.

16th October 2010, 11:54	#2731
dadu Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,803 Thanked: 462 Times View My Garage	@amitk26, 2.2 ltr has self adjusting tappets @rrsteer, its the same fluid for both clutch, brake.
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18th October 2010, 12:41	#2732
lodhra BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 197 Thanked: 40 Times	Hello I hope this post is not out of context of this thread Mods pls do the needful As I had mentioned earlier , a stone hit my windshield from a speeding truck and it developed a crack As advised I went to change the windshield The spares dept informed they had placed an order and will arrive in 2 days. after two days they said on monday When i call them no one has a clue, one says its arrived and need checking and one says its not Finally i got to speak with the spares division guy who told me its not arrived and will take two more days I told them that its not right on their part to keep me misinformed as I may ahve tried at other service station of TATA and do they want me to write to TATA myself On that the guy gave me a rude reply saying "complaint karna hain to karo" my queries are 1>Should i look for alternative service station [i like my service guy here and he knows lot about safari issues as before him 3 guys could not solve my problems] 2>Should i write to TATA 3>Is windshield such a rare spare that its out of stock and takes so much time to arrive 4>Should i be writing to someone else or just wait keep them calling till finally it arrives Regards
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25th October 2010, 11:52	#2733
ACM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,751 Thanked: 4,378 Times View My Garage	1) The TATA Service guy has been rude to you - pls complain to TATA and to the head of that centre. 2) You may wish to check out some other authorized Centre, though this seems to be more of an individual issue. 3) Possibly the guy reacted in such a manner (though he shouldn't) as the delay was at TATA end for this case? 4) You can get a windshield for the TATA Safari (and almost all other car models) replaced at Windshield Experts chain within the day, and they actually do a more professional job then the Authorized centre guys as this is their expertise area.
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4th November 2010, 15:28	#2734
harimakesh BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Chennai/Kuwait Posts: 502 Thanked: 354 Times	Safari LX engine immobilizer & rear demister Experts please clarify the query: On the Safari LX the missing essential safety features engine immobilizer and rear demister can be fixed at dealership / open market? How much the engine immobilizer and rear demister costs?
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4th November 2010, 16:28	#2735
sunishsamuel BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: TVM, BLR, HYD Posts: 656 Thanked: 1,112 Times	Lx model safari can be fixed with immobilizer, the minda ones would cost about 35-4500 depending on current rates (i paid 3500 approx in 2008). However, the immbolizer light would be a crude looking LED popping out under the Steering column as it cannot be connected to the OE wiring (though technically possible) And please ensure a trained technician does it otherwise, wiring gets messed up badly. Rear demister would need replacing the LX rear windshield and adding the heater element. Should cost anywhere between 6-8k. Most dealerships won't encourage this addition though. I have not done this, so please don't quote me
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4th November 2010, 18:06	#2736
HappyWheels Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 4,140 Thanked: 564 Times	Both are additions that are best experienced as factory fitted features. More so the engine immobilizer! But, this is just my opinion.
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6th November 2010, 19:55	#2737
mercedised Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Indore Posts: 1,219 Thanked: 417 Times View My Garage	The clutch oil in my TCIC Safari is leaking (infact, very quickly, in every 5kms of highway driving the clutch oil was drained fully). I topped up with brake oil and returned to home. The clutch is not working anymore (and works only if I fill oil, obviously & for a few kms only in city). Could anybody tell me the cause? @MODS: Apologies for posting the same problem here too, but, I thought posting here will result in better replies. Last edited by mercedised : 6th November 2010 at 19:57.
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8th November 2010, 19:52	#2738
slicks BHPian Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Mumbai Posts: 65 Thanked: 34 Times View My Garage	early oil change Guys, My GX has run ~7k Kms, in 5 odd months, and i am planning on a drive from Bombay to Lucknow and back in the 3rd week of Nov. The car has not not gone through an oil change till now, and has been a mix of city and highway (only expressway) runs. My usual office to home jaunt is a 8 km daily run (to and fro) during which i run 95% in 2nd gear. 5% in 1/3rd gears Given the scenario, i was thinking i should get my engine oil change done about a week before i leave for Lucknow? The scheduled oil change is at 15k kms as part of the 3rd service. Does this make sense. cheers, slicks.
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9th November 2010, 20:45	#2739
bj96 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 1,058 Thanked: 1,445 Times View My Garage	Oily stains on hub cap Kindly comment, looking at the pictures below, is this serious or OK after about 900kms drive in 4 days. I engaged 4x4 only once for about 200 meters or so to climb up a steep slope in a tight spot in Goa. After returning home, I removed the LHS hub cap, but didn't find any unusual oil/seepage under it. Is this normal brake dust/grime? LHS cover showing greasy circle: RHS cover is relatively clean: tia, -BJ Last edited by bj96 : 9th November 2010 at 20:46. Reason: minor correction
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10th November 2010, 11:24	#2745
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,724 Thanked: 22,973 Times View My Garage	Anuj, I never change oil early. It was the first oil change. My vehicle was May 2010 mfred, and I got it only in End july. So by the time I did 7500kms, the oil was already sitting in the vehicle for 10 months or so I think. According to company, oil change must happen every 15000kms, or 1 year, whichever is earlier. After that my running has been high, so I change oil every 15000kms.
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