My ageing Cavallo needs Help !

maxbhp · 8th October 2007, 09:33

Dear Fellow Bhpians

Subj : My cavallo's heart is getting weaker by the day.

I own a 8 year old Fiat Sienna 1.7TD Elx . A car I can never part with in my whole life . So now the problem am facing is that its started loosing its pick up . the turbo lag is significantly higher and even after cleaning my K&N's its pretty much the same. What can I do more ? In my last service I had cleaned my fuel pump which again didnt help much.
I want basically use this car for local travelling so I dont need 40kmp/l

. What else can I play with to get my cavallo running how she used to in her younger days ? I used to feed her diesel additives and on Fiat Service people I stopped giving her that as they said it might trigger loose motion.Soon after when extra mile came in I shifted to only Indian Oil Extra Mile....that diet was again pointed as harmful one by the doctor so finally Am running her on Indian Oil Diesel ever since . Have never been late for routine service infact instead of the recomended 7500 interval , I do it every 5000.

Am no boy racer but lack of pickup has slowly started creeping in and spoling the driving pleasure.

iraghava · 8th October 2007, 11:56

Max - What mileage has she already done?

maxbhp · 8th October 2007, 12:29

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Originally Posted by iraghava

Max - What mileage has she already done?

1,40,000 KMS only.

iraghava · 8th October 2007, 12:57

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Originally Posted by maxbhp

1,40,000 KMS only.

Kinda answers your own questions, don't it?

maxbhp · 8th October 2007, 13:12

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Originally Posted by iraghava

Kinda answers your own questions, don't it?

but still ,is there any other thing that I have to look into to make sure she is a confirmed heart patient and her chance of recover is next to nil .

nitrous · 8th October 2007, 13:13

Check compression. It will tell if U need an engine rebuild or not.
If compression is ok, turn to the FIP which will need an overhaul and tune-up.

maxbhp · 8th October 2007, 13:25

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Originally Posted by nitrous

Check compression. It will tell if U need an engine rebuild or not.
If compression is ok, turn to the FIP which will need an overhaul and tune-up.

Compression - I will do that
FIP - I have heard of RIP , not FIP ...if its fuel pump you are mentioning about then its already been looked into.

nitrous · 8th October 2007, 13:38

Basically, In my experience, if the turbo lag has increased after a lakh kms, it HAS to be the FIP and its not an opening&cleaning job. It cost me 8k to overhaul my Sumo's FIP.

speedzak · 8th October 2007, 14:56

Max! I know you love her a lot. So, let me suggest you these;
1. Find a good engine mechanic. Yes, somebody who's known to breath magic into worn out beauties. There're some famous ones in and around your town.
2. Follow nitrous. Get an FIP replacement before the RIP happens!
3. Lookout for a 1.9 Petra engine. And go for a swap job.
4. Get a bigger turbo and add an intercooler. You'll have to discuss with some good tuner to know about the feasability/practicality of this.

BTW, what the hell is Cavallo? Somehow, it goes well with Palio and sounds better than SIENA.

nitrous · 8th October 2007, 15:11

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1. Find a good engine mechanic. Yes, somebody who's known to breath magic into worn out beauties. There're some famous ones in and around your town.

Find the BEST one. They might be expensive.But,they're priceless.

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2. Follow nitrous. Get an FIP replacement before the RIP happens!

Cost of FIP replacement will make the engine swap look very attractive.

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3. Lookout for a 1.9 Petra engine. And go for a swap job.

Good idea unless u're particular about the turbo boost.

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4. Get a bigger turbo and add an intercooler. You'll have to discuss with some good tuner to know about the feasability/practicality of this.

Ouch! I normally don't recommend fiddling with a diesel engine unless the person is MAD!

Steeroid · 8th October 2007, 15:38

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Originally Posted by speedzak

BTW, what the hell is Cavallo? Somehow, it goes well with Palio and sounds better than SIENA.

Horse/Steed/Ride.

Max, as cruel as it may sound your car has run its course. Of course if you're sentimental about it and money is no concern then there are several ways of getting it back on the roads as people have suggested, but surely there are better ways of getting around?

maxbhp · 8th October 2007, 16:28

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Originally Posted by speedzak

BTW, what the hell is Cavallo? Somehow, it goes well with Palio and sounds better than SIENA.

Thats Translation for 'horse' in Italian Lang.

maxbhp · 8th October 2007, 16:33

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Originally Posted by Steeroid

Horse/Steed/Ride.

Max, as cruel as it may sound your car has run its course. Of course if you're sentimental about it and money is no concern then there are several ways of getting it back on the roads as people have suggested, but surely there are better ways of getting around?

Am buying another car. Just want to keep her in good running shape. Money is obviously a matter of concern

phew ! anyway let me see how she runs after the service .
by the way I had cleaned the Fuel Injection pump at an authorised bosch outlet.

iraghava · 8th October 2007, 17:14

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Originally Posted by maxbhp

by the way I had cleaned the Fuel Injection pump at an authorised bosch outlet.

If it was an authorised outlet, why did YOU have to clean the FIP? Or maybe this is some new service?

maxbhp · 8th October 2007, 17:16

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Originally Posted by iraghava

If it was an authorised outlet, why did YOU have to clean the FIP? Or maybe this is some new service?

They reconditioned the whole thing , didnt buy a new one . Hope FIP means fuel injecction pump , right guys ?

8th October 2007, 09:33	#1
maxbhp Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: C C K Posts: 1,382 Thanked: 90 Times View My Garage	My ageing Cavallo needs Help ! Dear Fellow Bhpians Subj : My cavallo's heart is getting weaker by the day. I own a 8 year old Fiat Sienna 1.7TD Elx . A car I can never part with in my whole life . So now the problem am facing is that its started loosing its pick up . the turbo lag is significantly higher and even after cleaning my K&N's its pretty much the same. What can I do more ? In my last service I had cleaned my fuel pump which again didnt help much. I want basically use this car for local travelling so I dont need 40kmp/l . What else can I play with to get my cavallo running how she used to in her younger days ? I used to feed her diesel additives and on Fiat Service people I stopped giving her that as they said it might trigger loose motion.Soon after when extra mile came in I shifted to only Indian Oil Extra Mile....that diet was again pointed as harmful one by the doctor so finally Am running her on Indian Oil Diesel ever since . Have never been late for routine service infact instead of the recomended 7500 interval , I do it every 5000. Am no boy racer but lack of pickup has slowly started creeping in and spoling the driving pleasure. Last edited by maxbhp : 8th October 2007 at 09:46.
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8th October 2007, 11:56	#2
iraghava Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bhaiyyaland Posts: 8,033 Thanked: 272 Times View My Garage	Max - What mileage has she already done?
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8th October 2007, 13:13	#6
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 329 Times View My Garage	Check compression. It will tell if U need an engine rebuild or not. If compression is ok, turn to the FIP which will need an overhaul and tune-up.
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8th October 2007, 13:38	#8
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,965 Thanked: 329 Times View My Garage	Basically, In my experience, if the turbo lag has increased after a lakh kms, it HAS to be the FIP and its not an opening&cleaning job. It cost me 8k to overhaul my Sumo's FIP.
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8th October 2007, 14:56	#9
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	Max! I know you love her a lot. So, let me suggest you these; 1. Find a good engine mechanic. Yes, somebody who's known to breath magic into worn out beauties. There're some famous ones in and around your town. 2. Follow nitrous. Get an FIP replacement before the RIP happens! 3. Lookout for a 1.9 Petra engine. And go for a swap job. 4. Get a bigger turbo and add an intercooler. You'll have to discuss with some good tuner to know about the feasability/practicality of this. BTW, what the hell is Cavallo? Somehow, it goes well with Palio and sounds better than SIENA.
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