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Originally Posted by greenhorn
Two wheelers - Bajaj Leans heavily on its partners like KTM and Triump.
Hero works with AVL
TVS seems to be the exception
Four wheelers - Mahindra and Tata both use Licensed engines, or have own designs built with AVL/Bosch-Mahle or Honeywell
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Well actually, most of the manufacturers you mentioned are indeed making their own engines, you see it is not just about the money but time as well:-
1- Tata's passenger car division really took off with Indica which was around 2 decades ago which is not that long if you consider car design years - To put this into perspective Honda around 2003 launched the 2nd Gen Honda City with a variant of their L series engine, that exact same series of engine with some refinements is being used till date in the latest Honda City, so Tata around that time they used their own commercial Diesel engine and modified it for use in car, since that time, they have mostly been not that big a player in the car scene globally speaking and only recently got successful with their Nexon, so over the years they could not afford R&D for creating brand new state of the art engines so either they borrowed some engines from Fiat (1.3 MJD Diesel, 2.0 Diesel) or licensed and semi designed engine with companies like AVL (speculation at the time was Mahindra and Tata's 2.2 Diesel engines shared a lot of design), the only reason was they could not afford designing an all new engine.
I read somewhere that Maruti had to spend close to 1200 crore to develop the 2nd gen Baleno and basically it was a reworked previous gen car and not an all new one, I had also read somewhere that Hyundai's Kappa engine had costed close to 3000 crore to develop, so these are the kind of costs for R&D that manufactures are looking at to create new engines and keeping that in mind it starts making sense.
Now their only Petrol Engine - The 1.2 both in its turbo and NA versions is uncompetitive from engines 2 decades ago in NVH, power delivery, fuel efficiency and every parameter you can think of, unlike Mahindra it is not a world class engine but instead of spending on creating newer engines they seem to be investing heavily in Electrics, so I guess we will never see great engines being developed in India by them but then there is..
2- Mahindra - They on the other hand really got successful and into the modern era with the Scorpio, again only around 2 decades ago and they also used similar approach as Tata by either re purposing their old commercial engines or using partners like AVL, but from the last decade or so and especially with the latest generation of Mahindra engines, they have a radically different approach to Tata, for the modern Diesel and Direct Injection Petrol engines most of which are world class, there is no mention of any foreign partner and they seem to have started developing their own engines in house. No doubt they must be making use of services and facilities of engine houses from around the world but it must be just for using their facilities and not buying ready made engine designs from them. The success of XUV500 and their own philosophy (and in part buying Ssang Yong) seems to have driven them towards this but fact is Mahindra is the only Indian manufacturer with a fantastic range of world class engines both Petrol and Diesel being developed in house.
3- 2 Wheeler manufacturers-
a) Bajaj has used engines from the brands it bought over the years like KTM but it has always had and continues to have its own engines as well and uses a combination of in house expertise and economies of scale for lesser selling bikes by sharing the engines with KTM, it is a very valid approach and most of the engines are competitive with the market.
b) TVS like you mentioned has its own R&D and creates pretty good engines by itself, so much so that BMW has collaborated with it for its small 300cc petrol engine and they both share it for a huge range of models,
They and Bajaj are pretty much the Mahindra of 2 wheelers in the sense that there is a complete range of self developed engines which are competitive and competent as well, they have had technical collaborations and take overs in the past but that is a valid strategy to develop an engine in house and more power to them for that.
c) Royal Enfield has been the dark horse of the industry, they had been using the same 70-80 years old technology and were forced to somewhat make changes to it due to emissions and then they used external partners to modify the engines just enough to get away with many of the shortcomings but they were still highly uncompetitive engines, but the tremendous success that was blessed upon them was used extremely well by them and they have started creating decent in house engines by acquiring a few companies worldwide to assist them on this, they are creating brand new engines in all segments and replacing the older ones with good results, I will still not call them worldclass at all, because the kind of power they are developing from 350 and 650cc engines is something that Honda and the likes have bettered around 40-50 years ago, but the fact that they are on the path to improvement and are entering the modern era entirely on their own is commendable and they are in my books the Tata of 2 wheelers in that sense.
So you see, the picture is not as gloomy as you would have imagined and there are plenty of good engines being developed in India as well, also a bit of trivia that even Hyundai didn't develop their own engines in the first decade or so and used partners like Mitsubishi, it was later that they decided to enter themselves and you can see where they are today, so it requires time and money and that comes from success, so the more these companies make money, the more engines you will see from them.