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Old 24th April 2022, 19:05   #1
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Poor diagnosis by Honda service centre | Clutch pedal noise in my Honda City

Of late, I have been experiencing a problem with my clutch pedal on my 4th Gen Honda city 2018 model. It has clocked around 18.5 kms.

The loud "tick" sound appears whenever the clutch pedal is pressed or released.



I had this issue checked during the periodic maintenance with my local Honda service centre. The mechanics applied some lubrication and asked me to revisit if the noise reappears. After having driven around 2 kms, the noise reappeared.

I took my vehicle back to the service centre and the mechanics inspected it for 2 mins and tole me that the problem is with a worn out switch. I asked them how can the part give in so early - within 3.5 years (18k kms). To this they told me that it was due to the age factor.

I agreed to get this switch replaced - placed my order, paid in advance. I had to wait for a week and after continuously calling the them, they finally said that the part had arrived and I agreed to pickup and drop my vehicle.

The vehicle was delivered to me the same day. On inspection, the sound still was prevalent. I was really angry and called the service rep and told him that nothing was fixed. He apologised and told me that he was asked to create a job card to replace the clutch switch and all he did was replace the clutch switch. Did not know what the actual problem was. He asked me to send me the vehicle back to which I agreed.

The vehicle comes back after 40 mins with a service rep and the mechanic who had done the Job. I noticed that the sound had disappeared. I asked him what was the issue. He told me that he had lubricated. I was really pissed off, not because I knew that the sound would alter reappear but because of the fact that they are not able to figure out the problem. I would have been more than happy if they had figured out the root cause.

The mechanic told me that the noise was due to some other component that was costly and they do not suggest customers to replace the component and rather just keep lubricating.

Honestly, I cannot live with noises appearing all of a sudden and the mechanics telling me to live with it.

The service reps waived around Rs 500 off the final bill acknowledging their inability to properly diagnose.

Poor diagnosis by Honda service centre | Clutch pedal noise in my Honda City-img_20220424_180952.png

The noise still exists and I am planning to take it to another service centre which is a bit far from where I live, hoping that this issue gets resolved soon.
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Old 25th April 2022, 08:46   #2
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Re: Poor diagnosis by Honda service centre | Clutch pedal noise in my Honda City

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Re: Poor diagnosis by Honda service centre | Clutch pedal noise in my Honda City

An update: I have called up the service representative of capital honda in chennai. They have asked me to bring the vehicle in for inspection early next week. Shall keep this thread updated.
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Re: Poor diagnosis by Honda service centre | Clutch pedal noise in my Honda City

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Of late, I have been experiencing a problem with my clutch pedal on my 4th Gen Honda city 2018 model. ...The loud "tick" sound appears whenever the clutch pedal is pressed or released.
Although I am no expert, it may be a missing metal/rubber washer somewhere around the clutch pedal/master cylinder. However, no clue about how this may have happened.
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Although I am no expert, it may be a missing metal/rubber washer somewhere around the clutch pedal/master cylinder. However, no clue about how this may have happened.
Makes sense. I can also notice that there is a fluid that pops out in and out(in the video), whenever the clutch is pressed/released. Initially I thought that was the lubricant, however I doubt it is.
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Re: Poor diagnosis by Honda service centre | Clutch pedal noise in my Honda City

Can you elaborate a bit more on the issue? Do you feel the vibration on your foot when that sound occurs? Does it occur everytime you press or only when the car is cold? Also, was this sound coming from day1, where there any changes that were made, like a intrusive floor mat etc post which this sound started?

Issue generally seems to be a clutch master cylinder related issue!
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Can you elaborate a bit more on the issue? Do you feel the vibration on your foot when that sound occurs? Does it occur everytime you press or only when the car is cold? Also, was this sound coming from day1, where there any changes that were made, like a intrusive floor mat etc post which this sound started?

Issue generally seems to be a clutch master cylinder related issue!
There are no vibrations on the pedal. It happens every time the pedal is pressed. It suddenly started appearing a month back. I had travelled around ~450 KMS on a stretch (madurai to chennai) and then the car was parked outside for a week, after which I started noticing this. There is a car mat that has been installed for about a year now, however the mat sometimes is a hindrance and I have to readjust to make it sit properly.

I shall probably try not using the 7D mat on the driver side.
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Re: Poor diagnosis by Honda service centre | Clutch pedal noise in my Honda City

The clutch pedal is directly connected to the clutch master cylinder, the sound is either from the spring that is attached to the pedal to ensure that it retracts when pressed,or, it is from the clutch master cylinder rod that is pushing the piston inside the clutch cylinder to generate pressure.

If greasing has solved the issue, even temporarily in the past, then the problem is most likely with the spring, which you can easily change! As no grease can be applied to the master cylinder to stop it from squeaking!

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The clutch pedal is directly connected to the clutch master cylinder, the sound is either from the spring that is attached to the pedal to ensure that it retracts when pressed,or, it is from the clutch master cylinder rod that is pushing the piston inside the clutch cylinder to generate pressure.

If greasing has solved the issue, even temporarily in the past, then the problem is most likely with the spring, which you can easily change! As no grease can be applied to the master cylinder to stop it from squeaking!

So this clicking sound suddenly disappeared a week ago. The service centre mechanic had sprayed some kind of lubricant as mentioned - around 3 weeks back, however the sound persisted till a couple of weeks ago.

I also noticed that when the sound was still present the clutch pedal was hard. I had to put some effort to press it. Now it has eased and feels normal.


I did take my vehicle to Capital Honda chennai to understand the cause. The mechanic there did a quick test drive with me and told me that the lubricant could have taken some time to spread into the mechanical parts and that is why the noise has disappeared during the third week after the lubricant was applied.

He suspected that the the culprit could be the push rod/parts involved in connecting the pedal to the master cylinder, that are not exposed outside in the driver's cabin, which is why it might have taken a bit longer for the lubricant to reach these parts.

However I am still suspicious about the reduction in the pedal stiffness. I would have expected the stiffness to remain the same irrespective of the lubricant, since the stiffness is determined by the hydraulic pressure and in turn the amount of hydraulic fluid ?
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Re: Poor diagnosis by Honda service centre | Clutch pedal noise in my Honda City

Makes me more inclined that this is more to do with the spring that helps the retraction, however, I have one doubt! I hope that honda hasn't moved to having the entire pedal assemble attached to the master cylinder like how it is in the German's!!

I hope it is not like them and it is still the simple mechanism, in which case, change the spring and you'll most probably be sorted!!


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So this clicking sound suddenly disappeared a week ago. The service centre mechanic had sprayed some kind of lubricant as mentioned - around 3 weeks back, however the sound persisted till a couple of weeks ago.

I also noticed that when the sound was still present the clutch pedal was hard. I had to put some effort to press it. Now it has eased and feels normal.


I did take my vehicle to Capital Honda chennai to understand the cause. The mechanic there did a quick test drive with me and told me that the lubricant could have taken some time to spread into the mechanical parts and that is why the noise has disappeared during the third week after the lubricant was applied.

He suspected that the the culprit could be the push rod/parts involved in connecting the pedal to the master cylinder, that are not exposed outside in the driver's cabin, which is why it might have taken a bit longer for the lubricant to reach these parts.

However I am still suspicious about the reduction in the pedal stiffness. I would have expected the stiffness to remain the same irrespective of the lubricant, since the stiffness is determined by the hydraulic pressure and in turn the amount of hydraulic fluid ?
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Re: Poor diagnosis by Honda service centre | Clutch pedal noise in my Honda City

Call up Honda Customer Care @ 1800 103 3121 and lodge a complaint. Ask them to keep it open till the issue is resolved. It gets escalated to the next level after 60days and should get resolved. Going to another Service centre may lead to dilution of the issue.
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Re: Poor diagnosis by Honda service centre | Clutch pedal noise in my Honda City

This sounds identical to the noise I had on the clutch of my Alfa Romeo Spider.

I don’t know how the exact set up of your Honda’s clutch looks like, but here is how I fixed mine. Scroll past the stuff about my son’s Golf.

I show the assembly by means of an older master cilinder I had lying about. Then managed to fix the actual assembly on my Spider.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/diy-d...ml#post4835901

Good luck

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Re: Poor diagnosis by Honda service centre | Clutch pedal noise in my Honda City

I have the same issue with my 2019 Honda Amaze (new gen)
The irritating noise comes when the clutch is depressed.
The service representative told me that this issue is with all Honda manual cars.
Though they lubricate the clutch pedal whenever I take the car to them free of cost, it's quite a pain as the service centre is quite far from my place and I generally get my service done from a local mechanic.
The lubrication done by the local mechanic is not good enough to solve the sound problem.
I do not know what to do.
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