Filled diesel in petrol car!!!

Mr.Bangalore · 19th August 2009, 16:44

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Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

No, sir, it is the other way around (atleast when referring to carb petrol engines and IDI diesel engines).

yeah i second that.. i have seen autos rickshaws running in kerosene, n even seen few people ruinning RX100 using kerosene. Only thing i noticed is with huge white smoke coming out of exhaust with a loud sound...

Raccoon · 19th August 2009, 17:53

RX 100 on kerosene?? :o Are you sure? I doubt if even an average owner will deliberately use kerosene in his own bike! I must be adulterated petrol/low grade 2t/bad tuning/wrongly caliberated oil pump/etc...

Ricks on the other hand I know deliberately mix kerosene.

SS-Traveller · 19th August 2009, 19:17

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Originally Posted by vdiatech

petrol in a diesel engine may not cause as much damage as diesel in a petrol engine ...it was absolutely safe to fill the tank with diesel, will not harm the engine... I never tried it though

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Originally Posted by GTO

Maybe not so much in an older indirect-injection, but try that with a modern ultra-tech common rail diesel engine and you are looking at a 6 figure bill. At the minimum. CRDIs are very susceptible to damage by the wrong / bad fuel.

All diesels will be severely damaged if petrol is mixed into diesel. The simple reason is that petrol has a lower flash point than diesel, and will cause huge pre-ignition (explosion of the fuel-air mixture on the compression stroke, well before the piston reaches TDC or top dead centre), damaging the pistons, rings, cylinder wall, crankshaft etc.

When diesel is mixed into petrol, the spark ignition is unable to completely burn the mixture, so carbon will deposit onto the plugs, valves, cylinder head and pistons, and will be emitted as black smoke from the exhaust. Nothing that a bit of System-G should not cure over time.

Blue Thunder is absolutely right - but it is irrespective of DI/IDI/CRDi or MPFi/carb engines.

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Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

No, sir, it is the other way around (atleast when referring to carb petrol engines and IDI diesel engines).

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Originally Posted by Raccoon

Ricks on the other hand I know deliberately mix kerosene.

Had seen this practice in Ahmedabad in the mid-90's, but I thought they'd stopped doing it since the govt. tightened the pollution laws. Is therer anywhere in India that 3-wheeler rickshaws continue to run on kerosene mixed with petrol still?

McLaren Rulez · 19th August 2009, 19:37

I think they do in Bangalore because some of them emit really bad smoke these days.

bblost · 19th August 2009, 19:43

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Originally Posted by SS-Traveller

Had seen this practice in Ahmedabad in the mid-90's, but I thought they'd stopped doing it since the govt. tightened the pollution laws. Is therer anywhere in India that 3-wheeler rickshaws continue to run on kerosene mixed with petrol still?

Hyderabad.

Inspite on the Govt mandate that all rickshaws must run on either LPG or CNG.

Its funny when the go on strike when petrol price is hiked. Because the don't really run on petrol.

Raccoon · 19th August 2009, 20:00

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Originally Posted by SS-Traveller

Had seen this practice in Ahmedabad in the mid-90's, but I thought they'd stopped doing it since the govt. tightened the pollution laws. Is therer anywhere in India that 3-wheeler rickshaws continue to run on kerosene mixed with petrol still?

Pollution laws?! Joke! Who will enforce those? PUC? That can just be bought... maybe for a few bucks extra.

Looking at the smoke coming out of many ricks here, it has to be kerosene. I know they also use very low quality oil... in fact low quality is not the right word. I have seen numerous rick owners coming with empty containers to oil shops. They just buy loose oil. Looking at the really low prices of the loose oil, I enquired about its source. Most of them said its just procured from the oil company thru tankers/big containers/etc. But one of them revealed the truth by saying that its just old engine oil which is just filtered/dyed/etc. I'v even seen the dealer trying to convince one poor old man who came for Kinetic Honda 2t oil... and when he started cribbing about the increasing price, he adviced him to just use the "loose" oil instead. He even poured some right on the counter and some oil from an open branded oil bottle and asked him to see for himself if there is any difference between the two. Its just big oil companies milking you off, he said. The old man bought the "loose" oil and went away happy, thinking he got his stuff real cheap. In fact it seems this "loose oil" is sold as both 2t and 4t oil. After all, its going to be burnt anyway, he (the dealer) said! What difference does it make? What would you rather use... almond oil??

Adulterated petrol, kerosene mix, used engine oil... its a mess!

Just come here and see. If you have to go behind one of those smoke bombs (rickshaws) in bumper to bumper traffic. You don't need a Hitler with gas chambers to smoke you off.

harry10 · 19th August 2009, 20:39

Supposingly if someone fill his diesel car with petrol by mistake(his mistake or service attendant mistake) and its taken to service center for damage due to that- does insurance covers that?

janitha · 19th August 2009, 22:29

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Originally Posted by harry10

Supposingly if someone fill his diesel car with petrol by mistake(his mistake or service attendant mistake) and its taken to service center for damage due to that- does insurance covers that?

Happened to me and the cost was Rs.750/-. Never even thought of Insurance. Why should I loose NCB?

greenhorn · 19th August 2009, 22:43

Me too. Just towing and a regular service + replace fuel filter.

Not too sure what happens if one drives around unaware and blows his engine

vinu_pm · 17th November 2009, 19:34

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Originally Posted by anonymous

He also re filled the tank without charging anything extra, its good.
Going to get the car checked by TATA workshop soon and will post any update later on

Good to hear that but IMO they will be putting back the drained fuel from your car back to their sump to get it more diluted and sell that . These pump guys will do all sort of things to make money . I realy dont belive them

janitha · 17th November 2009, 20:29

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Originally Posted by vinu_pm

Good to hear that but IMO they will be putting back the drained fuel from your car back to their sump to get it more diluted and sell that . These pump guys will do all sort of things to make money . I realy dont belive them

Yes, they collected the drained 30 litres from the service centre and gave me 30 litres diesel. Knowing what they will be doing (as mentioned by you), I never visited the pump again. And it is a Government owned pump!

sanyal779 · 9th March 2013, 09:53

Two days back my wife tells me an interesting story. She wnt to fill up our Ford Fiesta TDCi. At the petrol pump she became surrounded by a bunch of young sales boys & girls trying to sell her some car care kit items, when our careless driver went up to the attendant and started their usual chitchat. We fill up the car regularly in this pump and the attendant knows us and the car well. But due to unmindfulness he filled up 300 rs worth of petrol!! None of the two realized it untill the transfer was complete. Then the screaming and etc began and out came the manager. He confidently advised my wife that nothing much would go wrong anyway, just need to top up some more diesel over it. So they filledup another about 500 rs of diesel. Perhaps the tank was close to full, so they took no more diesel. Happily they drove back home, nothing exploded.
when I was told I was worried about engine damage, knocking and even an explosion. I took the car for a long drive to burn away as much of the mixed fuel.
To my surprize I found no abnormal behaviour from the engine. Makes me wonder if all our worries are true.

saket77 · 9th March 2013, 11:30

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Originally Posted by sanyal779

when I was told I was worried about engine damage, knocking and even an explosion. I took the car for a long drive to burn away as much of the mixed fuel.
To my surprize I found no abnormal behaviour from the engine. Makes me wonder if all our worries are true.

Not to offend anyone but, are they sure that the guys at the bunk filled petrol? I don't think that any oil burner would feel normal after being fed by anything other than the food of choice- Diesel!

Or else your wife tricked you for a long drive?

Regards,
Saket

volkman10 · 21st March 2013, 07:57

President Obama's Limo breaks down... because somebody filled gasoline instead of diesel!

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According to The Times of Israel. While we don't know exactly what type of engine powers the presidential limo, because the vehicle's based on a heavy-duty truck chassis, the fact that it's powered by a diesel motor doesn't surprise us. As the report goes..

http://www.autoblog.com/page/2/

sgiitk · 21st March 2013, 08:59

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Originally Posted by volkman10

President Obama's Limo breaks down... because somebody filled gasoline instead of diesel!

I thought the 'Beast' ran on Diesel, so the fuel names could have been reversed.

19th August 2009, 17:53	#107
Raccoon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Poona Posts: 1,851 Thanked: 116 Times	RX 100 on kerosene?? :o Are you sure? I doubt if even an average owner will deliberately use kerosene in his own bike! I must be adulterated petrol/low grade 2t/bad tuning/wrongly caliberated oil pump/etc... Ricks on the other hand I know deliberately mix kerosene.
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19th August 2009, 19:37	#109
McLaren Rulez Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mysore Posts: 3,461 Thanked: 5,502 Times	I think they do in Bangalore because some of them emit really bad smoke these days.
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19th August 2009, 20:39	#112
harry10 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Faridabad/Delhi Posts: 2,743 Thanked: 4,100 Times View My Garage	Supposingly if someone fill his diesel car with petrol by mistake(his mistake or service attendant mistake) and its taken to service center for damage due to that- does insurance covers that?
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19th August 2009, 22:43	#114
greenhorn BANNED Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,878 Thanked: 4,909 Times View My Garage	Me too. Just towing and a regular service + replace fuel filter. Not too sure what happens if one drives around unaware and blows his engine
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9th March 2013, 09:53	#117
sanyal779 BHPian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Kolkata Posts: 37 Thanked: 24 Times	Re: Filled petrol in a diesel car!!! Two days back my wife tells me an interesting story. She wnt to fill up our Ford Fiesta TDCi. At the petrol pump she became surrounded by a bunch of young sales boys & girls trying to sell her some car care kit items, when our careless driver went up to the attendant and started their usual chitchat. We fill up the car regularly in this pump and the attendant knows us and the car well. But due to unmindfulness he filled up 300 rs worth of petrol!! None of the two realized it untill the transfer was complete. Then the screaming and etc began and out came the manager. He confidently advised my wife that nothing much would go wrong anyway, just need to top up some more diesel over it. So they filledup another about 500 rs of diesel. Perhaps the tank was close to full, so they took no more diesel. Happily they drove back home, nothing exploded. when I was told I was worried about engine damage, knocking and even an explosion. I took the car for a long drive to burn away as much of the mixed fuel. To my surprize I found no abnormal behaviour from the engine. Makes me wonder if all our worries are true.
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