Well, this thread has certainly come alive with opinions.
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Originally Posted by Rajeevraj The 1.2 TSI from VW and the 1.4 TJet from Fiat. Not new engines by any stretch of imagination. But I don't think anything else can beat these turbo petrol's in the mass market range. |
Interesting. I have only heard of good diesel engines from VW (and Fiat and Ford) in India.
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Originally Posted by avdhesh15 1.5 iVTEC. Enough said (in the region below 1.5). |
Actually, Honda's 1.5 L occurred to me immediately after I submitted my original post. I chose to not edit my post as I felt sure that someone else would bring it up. Thanks for doing so.
You're right. The only upside to an otherwise staid BR-V is that 1.5 L.
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Originally Posted by WhiteKnight Skoda/VW 1.8 TSI.
Why,
Supremely smooth.
Flexible- Can go fast, can do graveyard shift, can play family man.
Frugal- For the power it delivers.
Simply put, you drive a car with it, you might be unhappy with everything else. |
Thank you. Now, I will try and see if I can TD the car.
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Originally Posted by VKumar Ford 1.5 Dragon Ti-VCT
The 3 cylinder engine that makes even a few 4 cylinder counterparts look unrefined. An engine that is very close to i-VTEC if not better; I find it better though.
Where the 1.5 Dragon still beats the i-VTEC is when it comes to overall driveability. IMO the best tuned petrol motor one can get under 15 lac today is the 1.5 Dragon from Ford. The guys have just got the power delivery and refinement part absolutely spot on. |
As I said in my original post, the new Dragon 3 cylinder has been much marketed. But, our own reviewers pointed out that it is less refined than most 4 pot engines.
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Originally Posted by GrandTourer For me it's the 1.2 TSI from VW. Explosive performance for an engine of that size, beautifully mated to DSG in the Polo GT. Haven't driven the Vento with the same combo, so not sure how it performs in that car.
The second close engine would have been the old Civic 1.8 i-vtec. It's been continued in the new car, but sadly feels inadequate, I hear.
I didn't mention the 1.8 TSI in Octavia since I didn't drive it yet.
OP/Mods: why not start a vote in this thread? |
Indeed! A poll would be just the thing for this thread. But, I would not be able to start it as I am not aware of all petrol offerings in the market. Maybe one of the mods could do it.
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Originally Posted by vikred Suzuki's 1.2l petrol engine (K12M) is not sourced from Fiat. It's their diesel engine that is from the Italian manufacturer. I had owned a car with the K12M engine before selling it off in 2017. So, I can vouch for its rev-happiness, refinement, mileage (never below 14km/l even in city conditions) and performance. However, the NVH could have been better. This is not the engine's fault though. The car could have used more insulation.
Hyundai's 1.2 is also a great engine: refined and well-tuned.
Because of our country's excise duty (<1200cc petrol engines have lower excise duty), we are all stuck with underpowered cars in the <₹10 lakh segment. |
You said it. We have such shabby engines even after paying a million rupees. My experience with the K12 differs slightly from yours. It is a good engine no doubt. But, I feel that it clearly has limitations. The K12 engine that I currently have feels adequate in the city. But, with a full load, it wheezes perceptibly even on slight inclines. The situation gets worse on the highway on family road trips. Hitting 100 takes forever. Also, my car consistently gives me 8 to 9 kmpl. Nothing more. On highway trips, it gives me 12 maybe. That's it. I don't feel the pinch all that much because my yearly mileage is less than 5k kms. We mostly potter around in the city and take maybe one highway trip once in 2 years.
So, while I am happy with this engine for the needs it has served, I really want to do better next time around.
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Originally Posted by GTO Really depends on the segment, I guess.
Among the hatchbacks...
Move a bit higher....
Among the larger N/A petrols....
There is a lot of mediocrity too, which is surprising as building a good petrol is no rocket-science. Example, the 1.5L in the overpriced Yaris. |
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Originally Posted by Iyencar In your Polo review you have mentioned that the 1.2 is very commuter, does not hit the sweet spot and lacks refinement. So, are you referring to the 1.2 in the GT in your post above? Thanks. |
Thanks GTO for that big list. But, Iyencar is right. Our car reviews consistently diss the petrol engines in favour of their diesel counterparts. The only enthusiastic endorsement from Team BHP that I remember was for Maruti's K12.
So, maybe we need to recalibrate our mental benchmarks and look at the petrols with fresh eyes? On that note, the poll that someone has mentioned here would be a good place to start.
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Originally Posted by xcentrk Smaller Engine : 1.2L VTVT & 1.2L K - Rev happy and has lot of character for such a small displacement engine Mid-Sized Engine: Nothing beats 1.5L iVTEC. No, 1.6L VTVT doesn't hold a candle against this iVTEC and one has to drive to believe it. 1.5L Toyota is just OK, but scores good in terms of drive ability which I believe is lacking in VTVT. Not sure about it in the latest Verna.
Move up higher, I only drove 1.8L/2.4L VTEC & 1.8L TSI.
Drove 2.4L Accord and damn what an engine it is. I like the whine of the engine and once it turns into roar, you will get addicted. In my POV, TSI isn't much of fun against VTEC. Be it 1.8 or 2.4. (Slowly I'm becoming a Honda fanboy?) |
So, are you saying that the 1.8 liter in the Skoda and the VW are not that great?