[volkman10]

Here is how ŠKODA does it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuhS...ature=emb_logo

Source: ŠKODA

[paragsachania]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Here is how ŠKODA does it.

And this is exactly how one should see it when it comes to assessing the "capacity" of the boot.

How easily are you able to stack the luggage is what matters most and to achieve this you also need to have the luggage/baggage that is accommodative and shaped that way.

Finally, when referring to practicality of the boot itself, a lot would matter including how deep is the loading area, protrusion from the rear suspension, angle of the boot door and rear quarter panel etc.

[Behemoth]

Well the problem is not how it is measured , but whether they do it with or without the spare wheel! Many manufacturers are measuring and reporting it without the spare wheel in place while in India the car is sold with the spare wheel and raised boot floor which cuts into the boot space drastically.
Ironically in India some manufacturers are also mention the space with the spare wheel and hence as a consumer it is very difficult to assess the real usable boot space. The real boot space measurements give a better idea of the usable boot space and are probably a better way of finding out.
The classic example of this is even Seltos and Sonet where Sonet has actually bigger usable boot space below parcel shelf than the Seltos!

Even if you notice in the Enyaq video, there is no spare wheel in the car. Moment you put in the spare wheel and the boot floor, you lose 150L of boot space, which is what I measured even in the Skoda Karoq (measurements shared on previous pages).
Whereas in a car like the Renault Captur/ Nissan Kicks or even the Triber the spare wheel is below the car and the does not eat into the boot space, making the real boot space much bigger and usable.
At least manufacturers should mention clearly that the boot space is measured (eg in case of Skoda / VW etc) without the spare wheel in place and the real space will be less when it is put in (which was mandatory, but just recently has been made optional!). Reporting boot space data wrongly is clearly wrong and misrepresentation as the customer buys it on the belief that it is correct but when he tries with actual luggage it won't fit as it is too small.

[paragsachania]

Originally Posted by paragsachania

And this is exactly how one should see it when it comes to assessing the "capacity" of the boot.

How easily are you able to stack the luggage is what matters most and to achieve this you also need to have the luggage/baggage that is accommodative and shaped that way.

Finally, when referring to practicality of the boot itself, a lot would matter including how deep is the loading area, protrusion from the rear suspension, angle of the boot door and rear quarter panel etc.

With just the 3rd row folded, this is how we could stack a lot of airport baggage on yesterday in my first gen Ertiga.

[shreyascashyap]

Did the same exercise for my XUV300 just now. Roughly works out to [(30+53)/2*50*106]/1000 = 219.9L vs a company claimed 257L

This is at the lower of the 2 settings for the boot floor (which is adjustable) However, there is a sort of recess above the wheel arch on the right side (left side is more or less fully flat) which adds another 5-6L of space, bringing the overall usable boot space to about 225L

[rajshenoy]

Originally Posted by paragsachania

With just the 3rd row folded, this is how we could stack a lot of airport baggage on yesterday in my first gen Ertiga.

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I too was enjoying Ertiga with 3rd row folded most of the times. If i am not wrong, the boot used to be 500L+. Only issue being middle row leg room was being compromised(solution was to remove the 3rd row headrests).

Current Ertiga is so much better in all these aspects with split 3rd row seats and extra length without compromising middle row space.

[paragsachania]

Originally Posted by rajshenoy

If i am not wrong, the boot used to be 500L+.

Not sure on the capacity with the 3rd row folded but the space it would liberate makes it much usable than 500 liters for sure. And don't forget the height advantage. I have stacked the baggage vertically and still get a clean view on my IRVM, something that you may not be able to do in most regular cars.

Only issue being middle row leg room was being compromised(solution was to remove the 3rd row headrests).

True. I always remove headrests to get whatever extra centimeters of space to give second row passengers a better legroom. You can actually see 2 extra headrests resting on the second row between the 2nd row headrests in the pic I posted above .

Current Ertiga is so much better in all these aspects with split 3rd row seats and extra length without compromising middle row space.

Yes. The new one is longer, ensures the 2nd row legroom is not compromised and also the small little luggage space below the boot is big enough to gobble a pair of stroller bags too.

[Behemoth]

Today I got a chance to see the new Hyundai Creta 2020 and see the Physical boot space.
I was not carrying my measuring tape unfortunately and could not take the physical measurements, but the Boot space of the new Creta is grossly overstated - it is not 440L as mentioned in the brochure. The Height of the Boot space below the parcel shelf and above the boot floor is only around 40cm and has one of the shallowest boots!
In my estimation the actual usable boot space of the Creta is not more than 250L in reality.
Also, when you lift the Boot floor to see the Spare wheel, the space wasted below the Boot floor around the Spare wheel is massive and the spare wheel also does not have a proper niche into which it is recessed. It is only recessed 1/3 of the height and the rest 2/3 of the tyre juts out and the boot floor sits on the tyre. As a result the whole space around the tyre is wasted. Trust me in the 440L quoted, they have included all this space in their number quoted. I was seriously shocked by the lack of boot space in the new Creta.

I am sharing a Video also which I found on youtube which compares the boot space of the 2020 Creta with the Vitara Brezza (You can see just how little space there is more over the Brezza).

https://youtu.be/mJHqwR41zEc

For info, one of these small duffel bags shown in the video has a capacity 30-40L only!

And here for another comparison is the luggage capacity test of the a Hyundai Venue.. You decide now which one has more space

https://youtu.be/6WBwHcrtzdk

[ashis89]

Originally Posted by Behemoth

Recently I went to see the Kia Seltos and took the actual boot measurements as below.

As per the Boot measurements, the actual boot space is :
(109 cm x 42cm x (57+83)/2 )/1000 = 310L and if you include the small niche on the left, it is around 10L and the total comes to 320L.

Originally Posted by Behemoth

Today I got the chance to measure the actual boot space of the Hyundai Venue. This one was a pleasant surprise and the measured usable boot space of the venue comes to almost 340L (against the claimed 350L by the company).

Originally Posted by Behemoth

Today I got a chance to see the new Hyundai Creta 2020 and see the Physical boot space.
I was not carrying my measuring tape unfortunately and could not take the physical measurements, but the Boot space of the new Creta is grossly overstated

Creta boot is very similar to the one on Seltos. The major advantage of the Creta/Seltos vs. Venue/Brezza would be the depth of the boot. Please allow me to explain.

We have couple of 69 cm(28 inches)x 43 cmx30 cm strollers that we carry on our long trips. Easy to have 1 or 2 big luggage with all the stuff in it, instead of carrying multiple small ones. Considering the recline of the rear seat, the full depth of the boot won't be useful if we stuff large bags. Inspite of this, I can place 2 of these strollers side by side in the boot of a Seltos, without disturbing the parcel tray. With the space left on either sides and the gap between the boot door and stroller, I can keep small bags and sundry stuff. If required, I remove the parcel tray to accommodate a lot more luggage.

This stroller doesn't fit in the Brezza (tried it already) unless I lay it horizontal, which means I can't keep the second one. Given the measurements you shared, I am afraid it won't fit in Venue too. In my previous car, I could fit only one such stroller while the second one went on the rear seat. Would I want to do that always? Or do I have change the way I pack?

A sample link of the stroller that I am referring to
Amazon stroller

A recent picture of my car where you can see two such strollers (red and blue). To give an idea, this red stroller is placed in the boot area and there's space to place a folded yoga mat behind it before I close the door. The blue one is placed on the folded rear seat.

Also, when you lift the Boot floor to see the Spare wheel, the space wasted below the Boot floor around the Spare wheel is massive and the spare wheel also does not have a proper niche into which it is recessed. It is only recessed 1/3 of the height and the rest 2/3 of the tyre juts out and the boot floor sits on the tyre.

It is the same in Seltos as well. But I have found good use of this space.

To give you an idea, on one side of the spare wheel, I squeeze in my car cover without any issue. On the right side, I have my car cleaning products, including a Josapu duster, 7-8 big bottles/spray bottles (wax, polish, etc), 10 micro fiber cloths, a full size plastic mat (for an impromptu picnic!) and few tools. All this without eating any space into the boot and yet, easily accessible when required.

And here for another comparison is the luggage capacity test of the a Hyundai Venue.. You decide now which one has more space

Now that's unfair. The Venue is missing it's boot parcel tray. Remove this tray from the Creta and then you can compare their sizes.

[Kosfactor]

I don't think we pay much attention when we come to buying luggage bags for cars, we have to choose the set of bags that makes proper use of the boot space available. I think its okay to spend a little bit in getting new bags to fill the boot properly.

I prefer to stand them up vertical, easy to roll them in\ out and more importantly , I have to carry it up and down a few flight of stairs to the parking.

I wish we could put them on a rack behind tailgate, like how you mount a bicycle, save a lot of space inside.

[papr23]

Originally Posted by Behemoth

Recently I went to see the Kia Seltos and took the actual boot measurements as below.

As per the Boot measurements, the actual boot space is :
(109 cm x 42cm x (57+83)/2 )/1000 = 310L and if you include the small niche on the left, it is around 10L and the total comes to 320L.

Originally Posted by Behemoth

Today I got the chance to measure the actual boot space of the Hyundai Venue. This one was a pleasant surprise and the measured usable boot space of the venue comes to almost 340L (against the claimed 350L by the company).

Originally Posted by ashis89

Creta boot is very similar to the one on Seltos. The major advantage of the Creta/Seltos vs. Venue/Brezza would be the depth of the boot. Please allow me to explain.

It is not fair to compare the boot size of Venue with Creta or two different cars in terms of the total volume. Total volume I mean is as per your calculation and not the OEM calculation which is anyway flawed in some cases as you pointed out.
If you refer to the YT video- the second full size suitcase does not fit in Venue. It fits fine in Creta/Seltos and lot of other luggage as well.
Here is a pic where I have kept a full size suitcase and a medium size suitcase in the Seltos boot. You can check the remaining space.

Here is another pic from a one-off trip during the peak of the pandemic where I had to really squeeze in the luggage. I have placed 2 full size suitcases one on top of the other and a lot of smaller bags around them leaving just enough space for the IRVM and I could close the boot door comfortably. I don't think Venue can take this much luggage.

[Behemoth]

Originally Posted by papr23

It is not fair to compare the boot size of Venue with Creta or two different cars in terms of the total volume. Total volume I mean is as per your calculation and not the OEM calculation which is anyway flawed in some cases as you pointed out.
If you refer to the YT video- the second full size suitcase does not fit in Venue. It fits fine in Creta/Seltos and lot of other luggage as well.
Here is a pic where I have kept a full size suitcase and a medium size suitcase in the Seltos boot. You can check the remaining space.

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Here is another pic from a one-off trip during the peak of the pandemic where I had to really squeeze in the luggage. I have placed 2 full size suitcases one on top of the other and a lot of smaller bags around them leaving just enough space for the IRVM and I could close the boot door comfortably. I don't think Venue can take this much luggage.

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Well the moot point here is how much luggage will fit below the parcel shelf in the cars and secondly whether the numbers quoted by manufacturers are correct and truly represent the real boot capacity.
If you actually see a Sonet, you will be surprised that the Sonet's usable boot is bigger and more spacious than the Seltos.. please go check for yourself with some luggage.
It is counterintuitive for this to be true but it the the result of some really bad design on the part of the manufacturer where they have not made a spare wheel recess properly and hence it is wasting a ton of usable space in the boot and secondly they are misquoting the boot space to customers who just see the figure and believe them! It is high time that aware customers took a stand on this and forced companies to report the correct usable boot space on a standard metric.
If you really want to see how much luggage a 500L boot space can fit, you should see an Octavia or a Laura (which I also have). It can easily fit in twice as much luggage below the parcel shelf. Tbhp exMod Anshuman also shared some pics of his Laura's boot when he shifted homes.
One of the ways to measure this for any car would be to stack 1L boxes into the boot and count how many fit. (Even 5L cardboard ones would work for convenience) and that would show the reality.
My request to all readers who value safety of their family and kids - please Do NOT stack luggage like shown in some of the above posts, it is extremely dangerous in case of accidents and can cause fatal injuries.

[Behemoth]

Ok so I went back and measured the Boot of the Hyundai Creta 2020 today and here are the results. The usable space of the Hyundai Creta 2020 is even less than the Kia Seltos.
Pictures are very deceptive and it appears to have a large boot space, but the measurements tell the reality.





The Calculated boot space is :
((50+83)/2 X 40 x 98)/1000 = 260 L and there are two small niches behind the wheel wells, on the left side around 10 L and the right side around 4L (as the subwoofer is mounted on the right side and takes away space) so Total boot space is : 274L

You ask me where all the boot space went? Well a lot of it is wasted under the boot floor and cannot be used. Hyundai is counting all the space in their quoted boot space numbers and also the spare wheel. Notice how shallow the spare wheel recess is and the entire spare wheel is sticking out. (Zoom in to see)
The remaining space around the wheel is usable only for small nick nacks and can never be used for luggage. (Not even a laptop bag will fit)

[Behemoth]

Just noticed a funny thing today. If you go to the Hyundai India website and check the Hyundai Creta specifications, they do not mention boot space value and against Boot space they have mentioned "-" also same is the case with the Ebrochure pdf which you download. They have simply deleted the boot space spec - seems that they have realized that reporting a wrong value is incorrect. Of course dealerships will continue to feed the wrong info and it is upto the discerning buyers to actually know the reality.

[Rigid Rotor]

Originally Posted by Behemoth

Just noticed a funny thing today. ...

Kia, on the other hand clearly specifiesfor the Seltos that 'boot space' is 433 litres and further details that this is using VDA method for measurement. As you had pointed earlier, it obviously includes the volume of the spare tyre wheel well.

Notwithstanding that, Kia have at least put in an effort to document the specs in greater detail and perhaps with better transparency than Hyundai.