[scorpian]

Originally Posted by Amitanshu

Hey Doctor, have fortuner 2013 AT. I want to get my beast tuned in Mumbai. Which one do you reccomend? Code 6, Superchips, Wolf?

What could go wrong is what I seek advice? Does the FE drop or improve, does braking becomes a challange?

What it does to the engine or the turbo?

I have only worked with wolf so they would be the ones I would go with.
Fuel efficiency is directly related to your pedal input. I have found my cars efficiency improve with a remap.
A proper remap would be safe and not cause any issues but in many cases may actually improve the life of the engine by bypassing the EGR system which dumps a lot of carbon in the manifold.
You need to see it to believe it.
Braking can be solved with better brake pads.
Again a good map would not affect the engine and turbo.
Go for it.

[Amitanshu]

Aahh thanks for the response! I am excited and am apprehensive too but will still go for it will definitely share once i get it done and havebtravelled few hundred kilometers atleast.

[GautamJ]

A dissatisfied Wolf Moto Customer

Got my EcoSport tuned from Wolf Moto (Thread - (Modifying my White Hippo - Ford EcoSport S))

After the tune, I noticed :-

• The cruise control not functioning
• Speed Limiter not functioning

Got in touch with Sreekanth, and soon an update was available where the cruise controls started functioning. But, speed limiter still ‘does not function’.

Additionally, wanted to go ahead with the Stage 3 setup , discussed the same with Wolf Moto person (Sreekanth). Just hate the way Wolf Moto Team handled, they didn’t even bother to answer and their unresponsive attitude has been as consistent as the speed limiter function in my car after Wolf Moto tune/remap.

Sharing few screenshots to verify my dissatisfaction :-

Asking their inputs on Turbo Upgradation for Stage 3:



Asking for an update and mentioning non-functioning of ‘speed-limiter’:



Expressing my disappointment, and Wolf Moto continuous unresponsiveness:

I have mentioned the same on the specific thread on my EcoSport but, thought to express on this thread too, especially for those who are considering Wolf Moto tunes.

Got in touch with 2 more customers of Wolf Moto who were totally disappointed by them.

[GautamJ]

Originally Posted by GautamJ

A dissatisfied Wolf Moto Customer

Update:

Wolf Moto customer support dropped a message on IG with Mr. Joe’s mobile number.

After a 40 minute call with Mr. Joe, he jotted down both my requests and also gave details on Stage 3 setup.

Received call from Mr. Joe today evening that he has emailed me the stock ECU file (I have received the same) and on call he said that ‘Speed Limiter’ function will NOT work with their ECU tune at least for my car.

[iBokehlicious]

Originally Posted by HondaSport

Folks, would love to hear from anyone who has remapped their petrol i20!

I recently purchased a Pre owned i20 and the itch to upgrade is growing.

What if any improvement can be expected in acceleration, driveability and FE?

Might not be a direct comparison but I did stage 2 my 1.2 petrol baleno.

I wouldn't say the difference is night and day but:
1. Easier drivability inside city
2. My car is running a custom resonator so it sounds great
3. Overall fun to drive, quick pickup. With baleno being light as it is, it's become more fun to chug around corners.

My city is running a stage 1+ but I'd say because of the weight of the Baleno + stage 2 and the shorter gearing certainly makes it "feel" quicker to respond. Definitely completes the car for me.

[praveesh4u]

Two weeks ago, I impulsively had my 4-year-old Amaze Diesel, with 60,000 km on the odometer, remapped by Wolf Performance. After checking online reviews for tuners in Cochin, I called Wolf to discuss tuning options for my Amaze iDTEC. Mr. Joe answered the phone and patiently explained the available options tailored to my driving style. He recommended the Stage 1+ option, which retains the stock air filter. The interaction with him, along with the positive Google Maps reviews, boosted my confidence in their service. The Stage 1+ remap offers a performance gain of about 18%. Since I wanted to reduce gear shifts and enhance city drivability, Mr. Joe suggested sticking with the stock air filter for the Stage 1+ remap. He mentioned that for those who are heavy-footed, upgrading the air filter might be necessary to achieve maximum performance from the Stage 1+ option.

Once I finalized my plans, I fixed an appointment with Wolf Performance Cochin. I was informed that the process would need around 3 hours minimum and I can either wait there or leave the car with them. The remapping process was done by the Wolf technician Mr. Sumit. He was very friendly and was very happy to talk about the process, their tools, and cars in general. The remapping process involves hooking the flashing tool to the ECU, taking an ECU dump and then modifying the dump file according to the map, and then flashing the modified file. The time-consuming part was getting the stock dump modified. This was done by a Wolf technician elsewhere. At around the 2 hour mark, the modified map file was ready and Sumit called me up for the test drive. However, there was something wrong with the map and the engine would abruptly shut down as soon as the throttle was given. So, he re-flashed the stock map ensured the car's smooth operation and requested another map with the throttle issue fixed. One more hour later, a new map was ready and it was flashed. This time, there was no noticeable issue. We took a test drive of around 5 Km and the car was behaving as if it had got a new life.

Notable changes:

1. In 1st gear and 2nd gear, the throttle response had become very sharp and the car was reaching the 3500 RPM mark effortlessly in no time

1. The car had become more torquey - The need to downshift to 1st gear had considerably decreased

1. Smooth acceleration in 3rd and 4th gear. Crossing 80kmph has become a breeze.

Post Map merries and woes

• Check Engine Light.
  In the evening I got the remap itself, check engine light started showing up in the console. When I contacted Wolf, they asked to take back the car to them if the check engine light was persistent. Since I had to return to my native place on the same night itself, I decided to drive the car for 20 km and if the CEL showed up, cancel the journey and continue otherwise. In my return journey of 180 km, the CEL didn't show up.

• Fuel efficiency
  The car returned a fuel efficiency of 27 kmpl on my return trip and the subsequent refuelling gave a fuel efficiency of 19. This is consistent with the fuel efficiency that I was getting before the remap.

• Fun factor
  The car is absolutely fun to drive. Smooth acceleration when you need it.

• CEL
  I did an OBD scan to check why the CEL was on. The scan returned the DTC P0055. This indicates a deviation in the resistance of the downstream Heated O2 sensor(HO2 sensor). The CEL can be reproduced by flooring the throttle in first gear. I discussed this with Mr Joe and he thinks that this may not be caused by the remap. Logically it makes sense as the 02 sensor heating is not controlled by the ECU. They have asked me to keep them posted regarding the FE, re-appearance of the CEL.
  There are no symptoms that a fault O2 sensor would cause. No visible smoke, no drastic drop in fuel efficiency and no rough idling.

• It looks like the car consumes more fuel when idling. The MID fuel consumption average value drops considerably when the car is idled with AC on

Has anyone faced similar issues with the O2 sensor post remap? How critical is this issue?

[Sukh4030]

Hello All,
A newbie here. I have a question - what happens to the emissions after a Stage 2 remap upgrade where the catalytic converter is replaced? Do the pollution control standards still met?

[scorpian]

Originally Posted by Sukh4030

Hello All,
A newbie here. I have a question - what happens to the emissions after a Stage 2 remap upgrade where the catalytic converter is replaced? Do the pollution control standards still met?

Yes they are met, I have recently done stage 2 and have passed the Pollution test.

[clevermax]

Originally Posted by praveesh4u

Has anyone faced similar issues with the O2 sensor post remap? How critical is this issue?

I have my Verna 1.6D remapped at Wolf during 2019. The remap was done at 19000kms on the odo and as on today, the car has clocked 68000 kms. I have never seen any such errors post remap.

[praveesh4u]

Originally Posted by clevermax

I have my Verna 1.6D remapped at Wolf during 2019. The remap was done at 19000kms on the odo and as on today, the car has clocked 68000 kms. I have never seen any such errors post remap.

May be it is the bad timing of the CEL of ECU going berserk due to the change in my driving pattern post ECU remap . Post remap, I have driven over 2000 Kms so far with CEL popping up less than 5 times. Same error(P0055) and same pattern of driving as the cause - flooring the pedal. Since I the car don't have any symptoms of a bad O2 sensor and the sensor in question is a post catalytic sensor, I guess I can ignore the warning light.

[TheGearBox]

Remaps for EVs

While a lot has been discussed on remaps for petrol and diesel cars, what about EVs?

"The future is electric", they say. So it's only a matter of time until tuners start offering remaps for electric cars for (even) better performance.

Has anyone here inquired or had the itch to remap their EV to extract even more out of it?

[spkrnh]

Hi Sorry, if i sound a bit ignorant, but ive recently bought a used Skoda Superb 1.8tsi dsg 2018 45kms completed and would like to go for a stage 1 ecu and stage 2 tcu tune. I am from Tamil Nadu and the options closest to me are Chennai, Bengaluru and Coimbatore.

Reading this forum has added more to my confusion on who is best for VAG group cars.
Between TVS tuning, TOT and APR which would you recommend for a proper job and good aftersales.
I would appreciate the experts opinion, thank you in advance.

[Intelsingh]

Originally Posted by spkrnh

Hi Sorry, if i sound a bit ignorant, but ive recently bought a used Skoda Superb 1.8tsi dsg 2018 45kms completed and would like to go for a stage 1 ecu and stage 2 tcu tune. I am from Tamil Nadu and the options closest to me are Chennai, Bengaluru and Coimbatore.

Reading this forum has added more to my confusion on who is best for VAG group cars.
Between TVS tuning, TOT and APR which would you recommend for a proper job and good aftersales.
I would appreciate the experts opinion, thank you in advance.

APR is a global player famous for VAG cars, thus they usually come at a premium as well. Find out the rates for a combination of ECU and TCU tune. This combination might serve better as both maps are from the same brand.

[Bsilver]

Hello folks, this is my second post on team bhp!
I own a Skoda Rapid 1.5TDI Manual, and it is tuned to around 145 bhp and 310 Nm.
I have been using the tune for around 10,000kms which was done when the car had run around 72,000kms. Now currently at 83,000kms. Would not like to mention the tuners name. The time duration taken to cover this distance was around 11months odd.

I will be dividing this post into Pros first, then cons, and suggestions according to my personal experience. Will be discussing the cons first as I feel they are more important to address than just going on the bhp/nm figures.

Cons:
1. Black Smoke Levels: Since you are remapping a diesel which essentially means that most of the tuners will be controlling the values of fuel delivery. The problem only exists if it is not done properly. I personally feel that if there is smoke coming due to the tune, then the tune is not efficient enough, I might be wrong, so expert suggestions are highly welcomed! This thing in slang is known as a "rolling coal", but this does not occur during sedate driving. The only thing you can do to check to rule out any other possibility that this is caused elsewise is comparing your experience to your stock car. If it was smoking before the tune, then the tune has nothing to do with it. If not, then there is a propensity that the tune has something to do with it.
The smoke for me used to occur only when I am greater than 50% throttle, and just few RPMs before the boost would kick in.

2. Fuel Timing Issue: If you are getting black smoke its known to everyone that it has a fuel delivery issue. But this issue persists only in certain range of the RPMs. Usually the boost for TDI is at 1750 rpm, so once at this the boost gradually increases and reaches peak. Just before hitting 2000 RPM if you are greater than 50 percent throttle, there is smoke seen, and a lot of it.
Once boost levels are attained since there is air to burn the fuel the smoke gradually decreases as noticed. So the delta between when a tuner introduces the fuel into the system and when the boost kicks in is what produces the black smoke. I have seen stage 3 diesels which are producing more than 500 hp not smoking at all.
If anyone is looking for a tune for a diesel car, do notice this smoke as this is an indicator that the tune is not proper, and the fueling might be off. Experts please correct of I am wrong in anyway.

3. Support after Tune: A lot of people just upgrade the engine and not invest in good braking. Post tune I drove 2000kms on stock brakes and it never gave me confidence to push hard, later changed to ATE brakes and will be doing a 5000kms update for the same. Brakes is a must upgrade and preferably along with tune. Suspension of the Rapid has a bouncy character when on undulated surfaces, or on expansions, bypass areas. If you go more than 140 with stock suspension on the Rapid, there are high chances of loss of control as I have experienced this N times as I drive mostly on highways. If your budget allows do upgrade the suspension.

4. Maintenance: You will be needing to double your maintenance for any tuned car for it to support. I have changed maintenance to 7000kms for the Engine. The filter you put in requires maintenance every 4000-5000kms depending on your location. I use BMC from a long time and will update about the wear/tear as time passes/This could be done at home or FNG. You will be finding yourself (if you are not a sedate driver) pushing the car, and most of the times due to sudden torque curves in some tunes you will be having a problem with the drive shafts. Sudden acceleration/deceleration on a repeated basis will only prematurely wear them out.

Pros:
1. The stock motor from the factory (on paper) claims to be 105hp and 250Nm, post tuning the engine was able to achieve 142-145hp and 300-310Nm gains, which is really impressive for a small displacement engine like the 1.5, without any changes at all. The claims made are not dyno verified, but are made by cross matching the same engine, tuned by the same tuner which was dynoed. The only thing to add as an upgrade is an aftermarket air filter.

2. Drivability increases both on highways and in city, and FE numbers would have a noticeable jump. More than the FE, the overall engine feel at idle is really smooth. Prior to tune I was able to extract 14-15kmpl in the city and post tune around 17-18kmpl. Highway pre tune was 20kmpl and post tune was 24-25kmpl. These numbers are on a tank to tank basis and not the MID. A recent trip to the beautiful state of Kerala returned a impressive 1100+ range with speeds varying between 90-110kmph. Prior to the tune I would only be able to extract 900 odd kms on the highway. This could be an answer to the questions whether tuned diesels return efficiency or not.

The picture of the range reading 1210 even with driving 150 from the full tank onwards is attached.

3. Highspeed Drives: Overtaking becomes relatively easy as you need less planning.

Hope this review would be helpful for people who want diesel tunes. Would like to know if the points made are right and how to correct the issues which are associated with them.
Thanks all!

Surreal view of Ranni/KL trip.

[praveesh4u]

Originally Posted by Bsilver

The smoke for me used to occur only when I am greater than 50% throttle, and just few RPMs before the boost would kick in.

Same thing with my Amaze diesel running on Stage 1+. The smoke levels have increased many folds during hard acceleration. Here is a sample video.

https://youtu.be/pblTKV1K63U

The acceleration/smoking in the video below also lead to a check engine light with the DTC P0055. The error code says there is an anomaly detected in the heating circuit of the post catalytic O2 sensor. This is not the first time I am getting this error. Apart from the black smoke during the hard accelerations, there are no other obvious symptoms of a faulty H02 sensor.