[Jeroen]

Originally Posted by handsofsteel

hi, need some help on a small issue, my wife started learning yo drive on our 2 year old i10. inadvertantly , she changed the gear from 2-3 at about 20kmph without pressing the clutch. it was a one time occurance in an otherwise trouble free and accident free car. now,i have started to find a slight bit of resistance (at times, not always) when i shift from any other gear to 1/2. is it because of the above incident? during these times, i have to release the clutch again and try a couple of times before it goes in to 1st/2nd gear. its a minor thing but sometimes happens in the middle of traffic. do i need to get it checked by the service center? i don't know their proficiency and certainly wouldn't want them messing around with my gearbox.

In all honesty I doubt very much that this one small mishap could have any effect at all. Gearboxes tend to be pretty robust and this happens to the best of us.

So I would assume it's just coincidence. Also it will make your wife feel much better if you tell her its nothing she did!

Not being able to engage 1 or 2 gear does need looking at. Maybe it's something as simple as just a cable or clutch mechansim adjustment. Also, you might want to check the gear box oil level!

If not, it might be the synchromesh, which is a very expensive job. The gearbox needs to come out and be overhauled basicly.

Jeroen

[adi_sun]

Brief intro :
Name : SX4 Diesel
Age : 1 year 2 months
Run : 38K
Issues so far : NONE
Avg FE : 18-20 KMPL

Story ! :
Came across a strange issue last night while returning home.
While all the gears would change smoothly at standstill and in shift up stage during shift down from 3rd to 2nd at speed it would not slot into 2nd !
Its like the gear lever has hit a wall , no noise nothing.

Went to Fast Track Maruti Service Center- Sahibabad today and spoke the the GM, (a fellow BHPan and a rally car specialist, amazing person more on that later) and he confirmed on such issue and a circular from Maruti regarding the same. This is because of Gear synchronizing ring becoming loose.

While I do have a couple to thousand KM left in the warranty thankfully , the gear sync rings and the labour will be covering in that he suggests to change the clutch plate at the same time to avoid future issues and save on labour later.

I am no guru here, would seek help from more knowledgeable people to guide me . Could not find a similar thread hence staring this.

Thanks in advance.

[F150]

Change the synchroniser rings that should be enough.

Clutch plate is good to go for another 30 - 40K kms easily

[Zappo]

What has clutchplates got to do with gear synchros? I don't think you need to bother changing that as yet unless of course your driving style takes a heavy toll on the clutch and the SS has seen the state of your clutch to be bad.

[adi_sun]

Originally Posted by F150

Change the synchroniser rings that should be enough.

Clutch plate is good to go for another 30 - 40K kms easily

Originally Posted by Zappo

What has clutchplates got to do with gear synchros? I don't think you need to bother changing that as yet unless of course your driving style takes a heavy toll on the clutch and the SS has seen the state of your clutch to be bad.

Exactly what I thought, but after a short test drive I was advised to get the clutch plate thing done.
Three reasons:
1) synco rings could have taken the beating due to faulty clutch.
2) two it cost 1.8K .
3) I will save on all the all the labour cost as that will be under warranty.

BTW what exactly causes the synco rings to malfunction ?

Further I dont have extended warranty I am planning to buy one till 60K KM for around 9.5K, specially after this narrow escape.

[humyum]

LOL, change the clutch plate at 38k for what ? Diesel clutch plates easily laste 70 to 80 k unless abused. Check the condition of the clutch plate and pressure plate before making the decision.

To save 3 k of labour, you are spending around 8 k on parts unnecessarily.

[adi_sun]

Originally Posted by humyum

LOL, change the clutch plate at 38k for what ? Diesel clutch plates easily laste 70 to 80 k unless abused. Check the condition of the clutch plate and pressure plate before making the decision.

To save 3 k of labour, you are spending around 8 k on parts unnecessarily.

Update :
Got the gear sync rings changed today(under warranty), the clutch plate had decent life left but the new one was for 1832/-, thought why not put in a new one

The car rides super smooth now, the mild judder that was present in 3rd gear is not longer there.

Thanks for the help.

[dicor99]

Hello

I have a question regarding a turbo charged diesel or petrol car. If the vehicle has been maintained as per schedule but the clutch remains stock with no replacement etc. Will the driver experience a substantial loss of turbo kick through the rev range?

I have a diesel pre-fluidic '09 verna with 80K on the clock and 1.8 octavia with 94K , I sense a slight lack of pull from both. Everything else on both the cars have been impeccably maintained..

Gurus please respond

[SCORPION]

Originally Posted by dicor99

Hello

I have a question regarding a turbo charged diesel or petrol car. If the vehicle has been maintained as per schedule but the clutch remains stock with no replacement etc. Will the driver experience a substantial loss of turbo kick through the rev range?

I have a diesel pre-fluidic '09 verna with 80K on the clock and 1.8 octavia with 94K , I sense a slight lack of pull from both. Everything else on both the cars have been impeccably maintained..

Gurus please respond

Diesel vehicles are generally fitted with more heavy duty clutch components than their petrol counterparts owing to the higher torque inputs that go into the transmission system. The mileage that you have clocked on both your vehicles are quite remarkable without having changed the clutch plates. Driving style also contributes to this.

However, the turbo charger is independent of the transmission system although you may feel a lack of power if your clutch is slipping. Have you noticed your engine spinning faster at a particular speed while you accelerate? I mean check your tachometer to see if you hit hundred at the same rpm as you used to in 5th gear as you accelerate. I am assuming that being in this forum you would probably have, at some point of time, compared the tacho and the speedo atleast while cruising on the highway.

[9thsphinx]

I am experiencing some juddering while picking up in the first gear, a little less in the second. And there is this typical "dop, dop" sound when I press the clutch - I am assuming the clutch has worn out and needs replacement. Anyone know what a Santro clutch replacement would cost? I am talking about the Xing pre-eRLX models (if at all they're any different from the rest of the Santro models/versions).

Car has done some 59k kms.

[Sommos]

Originally Posted by 9thsphinx

I am assuming the clutch has worn out and needs replacement. Anyone know what a Santro clutch replacement would cost? I am talking about the Xing pre-eRLX models (if at all they're any different from the rest of the Santro models/versions).

Car has done some 59k kms.

I had replaced my Santro's clutch sometime in 2010. IIRC the cost was something around 5.5K but mine was eRLX model.

[PatienceWins]

Originally Posted by 9thsphinx

I am experiencing some juddering while picking up in the first gear, a little less in the second. And there is this typical "dop, dop" sound when I press the clutch - I am assuming the clutch has worn out and needs replacement. Anyone know what a Santro clutch replacement would cost? I am talking about the Xing pre-eRLX models (if at all they're any different from the rest of the Santro models/versions).

Car has done some 59k kms.

I have been facing the same problem in my getz for sometime. When I gave the car for servicing a few months back, they attributed the issue to flywheel and said that the entire clutch assembly including flywheel has to be replaced. I did not replace it then as the symptoms were very minor. I decided to replace it now as clutch pedal has become hard as well. I just came back from service center as flywheel is not in stock. The cost of flywheel for getz is 8000 and clutch assembly is another 8000 - 16000 gone. My car has done 55k kms.

[IndigoXLGrandDi]

Originally Posted by PatienceWins

The cost of flywheel for getz is 8000 and clutch assembly is another 8000 - 16000 gone. My car has done 55k kms.

You can check out the prices outside if you have a known FNG. You could save about 30-40% atleast that way.
Also, the clutch pedal becomes hard due to worn clutch cable or pressure plate.
Getting them (and then clutch plate) checked would help in deciding which parts to be replaced immediately. If the clutch has not worn considerably, you can push it for some time (depending on how much life is left and your clutch usage- clutch slippage, etc).

[mail4ajo]

What could be the reason for sticky clutch pedal? I have noticed this in my Jazz at times. When I depress the clutch and hold for long, say like in a heavy traffic, the clutch sticks. It releases only if you shift to neutral and depress again.

[PatienceWins]

Originally Posted by IndigoXLGrandDi

You can check out the prices outside if you have a known FNG. You could save about 30-40% atleast that way.
Also, the clutch pedal becomes hard due to worn clutch cable or pressure plate.
Getting them (and then clutch plate) checked would help in deciding which parts to be replaced immediately. If the clutch has not worn considerably, you can push it for some time (depending on how much life is left and your clutch usage- clutch slippage, etc).

Getz has a hydraulic clutch, so there is no clutch cable.

As per the diagnosis by Advaith during last service, clutch plate was fine and flywheel had to be replaced. They attributed the juddering to flywheel. I did not replace it last time as they said that the clutch has not worn out significantly and the symptoms were hard to notice. Now the symptoms are more prominent with loss of power and mileage. The idle during cold start is also rough. So I do not want to delay it any more. I intend to keep the car for at least 2 more years. If the flywheel is indeed gone, I would have to spend on clutch again if I replace only the clutch plate.