Re: Engine Vibration & Rattling in VW Polo TDI 2012 My tuner who has worked with different OEM's (engine calibration is his field) came across this thread as either Neugal or his friend posted this on my tuners facebook. Below is his analysis and opinion (arrived in a mail) which matches star_aqua. Posting here since he is not a member and I too feel this will benefit the OP in his quest for a resolution of the issue. Dear Abhinav,
I came across this post on our facebook page about a gentleman in Delhi facing a problem on his Polo 1.2 TDi. I doubt if my response to the post ever reached him on facebook. Perhaps you could get this bit across to him.
The engine appears to be running on 2 cylinders. One Cylinder's Injector/Injector Wiring has a problem and the error (short circuit/open load etc.) has been registered by the ECU which in turn triggered the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL). The RPM-Setpoint is also fixed above normal Idle (activated by the ECU as a standard pre-programmed reaction as per the Diagnosis Management calibrated by VW).
The Glow lamp system failure/error is probably a consequence of an issue in the Wiring Harness but definitely not the cause of all that engine shake. The ECU would have probably registered the same error (Injector related error code) earlier and thats why the Dealership changed the Injectors without investigating further.
Since the issue persists, its worth checking the Wiring Harness. I am not clear if this issue is incessant or appears intermittently, especially in the morning? Does he take it to the Dealership and get the MIL cleared? Does the problem get rectified sometimes on its own, which would give strength to the 'Wiring harness issue' theory because the portion of the problematic Cabling (short or no continuity) might be sitting properly? But for such a case the MIL should not go OFF on its own, atleast not for the first driving cycle (defined by the ECU SW as time between One key ON and OFF) because such an error is under the software's critical list and OEMs usually want the driver to come to the service center for a check.
For less critical errors usually Self-Healing (erase MIL automatically) is initiated once the SW sees that the issue no longer exists. Of course, that is a separate story as to why the dealerships don't have adequate training to deal with such matters. Or perhaps, some times they do, they just don't care enough to make a good and complete job of it. I expect this engine behaviour to be exhibited especially in the morning or the first engine start of the day. My understanding of this is- Cold Engine hence more vibration due to the higher internal friction affects the weak link in the Loom. This can happen at any point of time in the day but can almost surely happen at the first engine start.
The faulty cylinder's Injector/Injector Wiring can be checked immediately with a quick Morse Test (pull out the injector connectors one by one) by the owner himself when this problem occurs, (ONLY WHEN THE PROBLEM OCCURS) otherwise he will trigger the MIL this time when he removes the connector.
Problems with Engine Mounts and Compression leaks are not monitored by the ECU hence the MIL cannot be triggered for such problems. Perhaps such 'Parameter Monitoring' may be enabled for certain cars abroad but certainly not in any of the local applications i have seen, including the VW 1.2. Though I have seen Knock Sensors incorporated in certain Diesel Engine Blocks (dont know about the 1.2), I am not sure if this kind of severe vibration can be interpreted by the ECU as an engine knock and activate the MIL, Error reaction (1200 RPM) etc.
Usually the Sensor's input is used as a correction to the Injection Control, I dont think it is calibrated to activate the MIL. I doubt it especially since the Dealership changed the Injectors promptly. They would have definately seen an Injector issue via the Diagnostics Machine (Tester/scanner).
Last edited by abhinav.s : 10th October 2012 at 15:13.
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