[gthang]

Originally Posted by Sutripta

I would never have comprehended till pointed out by you that the tone of your penultimate post was same as that of your other posts. Guess it is remedial English classes for me now!

Sounds like a good idea. Hopefully will help you look past the tone and see the content which I was asking you to compare.

Originally Posted by Sutripta

There is more to it than just technical discussions. My very first post on this thread (I think #2), and subsequent posts should have made clear my focus.

Regards
Sutripta

Yes. Your focus has been quite clear: You dont think driving style has anything to do with DSG failure. Am I close?

Would you care to disclose a few clues so we can deduce why not? Perhaps some suggestion to an alternative reason?

If your logic is that Skoda should have made it better, which btw is a moot point because if they did, we would not have this thread to "discuss", you dont need to bother yourself with a reply.

Except perhaps to suggest a better material that BASF hasnt figured out yet which can withstand the high temperature and corrosive oil environment for extended periods of time to house the electronics and databus line.

As a customer, why should you care, right? If it doesn't work, it's Skoda's fault. Perhaps Technical Stuff thread is a wrong place to discuss such fantasy stuff like physics and chemistry.

Cheers.

[SS-Traveller]

To summarize: After 10 pages and 136 posts, it is inconclusive whether DSGs do or do not need a different style of driving, and whether driving them in a manner that conventional automatics are driven will or will not cause the Mechatronics module to fail. No specific direction about modified driving techniques has been issued to any owner in writing by Skoda/VW, though some 'whisper campaign' may be in progress to shift blame for the more-frequent-than-usual rate of failure of DSG Mechatronics modules on to the owner/driver.

One fact has been thrown up though: that DSGs do have a potential to overheat more than other conventional automatic / manual gearboxes, a warning to the effect does exist in the owner's manual, and this may or may not contribute to the failure of the Mechatronics module. There are built-in overheat protection mechanisms in the DSG, but these may or may not be adequate to protect it from damage & failure. Until Skoda / VW / VAG / Borg Warner come out with clear warnings about a different driving technique to adopt for DSGs as opposed to conventional automatic transmissions, customers across the world do not / will not see the need to do anything different. If, indeed, a different driving technique is warranted, the involved manufacturers may not be willing at this stage (after a very large number of failures have already happened) to come out and make such a declaration, because affected users may then seek compensation for not having been warned of this earlier.

It is not statistically clear whether failure rate is higher in one type of DSG over another, but there seems to be some evidence that the Superb Diesel's 6-speed DSG is less prone to failure then the Superb Petrol's 7-speeder.


Request to mods: Until some more specific inputs are received, further discussion on this topic is futile and is starting to get personal. Therefore this thread may please be cleaned up of personal comments by certain conceited members, for e.g.

Sounds like a good idea. Hopefully will help you look past the tone and see the content which I was asking you to compare.

You can stop begging. ...It's just nonsense jibber jabber after that.
See if you can source a chill pill as well. Looks like there is a deficiency.

Saga will continue till someone with a lot of "Seniority" posts some words of wisdom so the masses have a mantra to chant. Seemed to have worked wonders on the anti-Skoda campaign.

Tiptoeing on the edge of paranoia, are we?

and closed. If, in future, further data / details are available, this thread may be reopened at moderators' discretion.

[ajmat]

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Folks

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[Jeroen]

Originally Posted by H_Dogg72

It took me 3.5 hours to reach gurgaon from Delhi. An average speed of 11. I had to turn off the AC multiple times because I didn't want the DSG to overheat. Absolutely stupid stuff. Even kapasera was chocked.

Not to go off topic, I was in this huge jam for nearly three hours as well, but what does an AC have to do with the DSG?

Jeroen

[H_Dogg72]

Originally Posted by Jeroen

Not to go off topic, I was in this huge jam for nearly three hours as well, but what does an AC have to do with the DSG?

Jeroen

Crawling overheats the gearbox. And generally from my experience, when an engine (not gearbox) overheats, the AC is the first thing to cut off. So to prevent things from going haywire I turned the AC off periodically.

I hope I did some good and not be envious of altos with ac's running. Sigh.

[Jeroen]

Originally Posted by H_Dogg72

Crawling overheats the gearbox. And generally from my experience, when an engine (not gearbox) overheats, the AC is the first thing to cut off. So to prevent things from going haywire I turned the AC off periodically.

I hope I did some good and not be envious of altos with ac's running. Sigh.

Well, I think crawling shouldnt overheat a gearbox. If it does, its designed poorly or maintained poorly.

So it was hot last Friday, around 43-44oC. Sitting in such conditions should not be a big thing for a modern car. Even in Europe, happens in the South all the time. I've sat in monumental traffic ques in the south of France and Spain during summer holiday with my DSG Audi/VW, never a problem.

When an engine overheats on most modern cars the ECU will try to do a bit of load shedding and the first one to go is the AC, obviously. But as with your DSG, a modern car should be able to deal with this sort of temperature and length of time and have the AC full blast continuously. I know I did in the company Innova!

Turning off the AC does nothing for the DSG obviously. It lightens the load on the engine a bit. If I were you, I would have just kept it running and observed the temperature gauge on the dashboard (if you have one) if you see it creeping into the red, you can always decided to switch it off.
Under these circumstances it is perfectly normal to have the engine coolant temperature running at substantial higher temperatures then normal. As long as you're not redlining it, all should be well. No sweat!

Jeroen

[bhp-fetish]

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Hey Guys

I am new to the forum please could someone advise me? I've owned loved & cherished my VW passat 2012 highline. I've had other cars before but this car was simply love at 1st sight, my car turned 6 in March 2018 & completed 110000 kms. All I got done was to change the front struts & the rear shocks more for my drive.

I was on a trip to panchgani from pune , during the drive after driving for about 2 hours & when almost at panchgani my baby died.... Didn't shut off or anything, but refused to accelerate forward & wouldn't even rev, so I turned the car off. Restarted the car after 10 minutes & bingo all seemed well.

Since then i have had the car checked on the VAG system & it shows a fault with the mecatronics box? I for one still feel it has something to do with a temperature sensor, I remember it was 42 degrees on the way to panchgani. I drove to Mumbai & the car functioned perfectly.

I hate to let my baby go since I've really maintained & looked after my car. I may have no option but to sell if it is mechatronic failure. To me this seems like a heat sensor issue, since if the car is switched off for 10 minutes, she starts up & drives well. Could someone advise?

[Aroy]

Originally Posted by bhp-fetish

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Hey Guys

I am new to the forum please could someone advise me? I've owned loved & cherished my VW passat 2012 highline. I've had other cars before but this car was simply love at 1st sight, my car turned 6 in March 2018 & completed 110000 kms. All I got done was to change the front struts & the rear shocks more for my drive.

I hate to let my baby go since I've really maintained & looked after my car. I may have no option but to sell if it is mechatronic failure. To me this seems like a heat sensor issue, since if the car is switched off for 10 minutes, she starts up & drives well. Could someone advise?

From what I have read, DSG box has issues at high temperatures. Sustained spirited driving in hilly terrain with 40+ ambient will raise the temperature well beyond its comfort zone (80+) and then the electronics start misbehaving.

You can try changing the heat sensor, but I feel that it will be fine, just that it switched off to prevent heat related damage to electronics.

If the box behaves in normal city driving then you have nothing to worry about. Just ensure that you avoid situations where the box will heat up a lot.

[rajivr1612]

Originally Posted by Aroy

From what I have read, DSG box has issues at high temperatures. Sustained spirited driving in hilly terrain with 40+ ambient will raise the temperature well beyond its comfort zone (80+) and then the electronics start misbehaving.

You can try changing the heat sensor, but I feel that it will be fine, just that it switched off to prevent heat related damage to electronics.

If the box behaves in normal city driving then you have nothing to worry about. Just ensure that you avoid situations where the box will heat up a lot.

So aren't these gear boxes modified to suit Indian conditions? Why are these manufacturers not adapting their products to suit our market conditions? Classic case is the turn indicator stalk location on the left side. Not trying to beat down VW since I am also a huge fan of the Polo TSI and yearn to own one.

[androdev]

Originally Posted by bhp-fetish

I hate to let my baby go since I've really maintained & looked after my car. I may have no option but to sell if it is mechatronic failure. To me this seems like a heat sensor issue, since if the car is switched off for 10 minutes, she starts up & drives well. Could someone advise?

Some technologies (DSG, Air Suspension, etc.) have comparatively lesser service life than their alternatives and it is good to bear that in mind when owning such cars. I feel 110K km on the original DSG box is not too bad and you should work with the dealer and have it repaired and request for some sort of goodwill warranty. This is usually a plug-n-play repair and should be good for many years.

[VSD]

Just another DSG Failure.

I had felt few jerks from the gearbox transmission at times and was surprised at what just happened. I was just sitting on the side of the road thinking what happened. Sent the car to the workshop, they said we'll replace the transmission oil as it's been a while. As advised, It was done and the car felt better and so did I. Few days later the jerks came back, then I again sent the car to the workshop and asked them to diagnose the problem. There was no malfunction light on the MID either, neither did they find any faults on checking the car via scanning. Nothing found, they tested the car next day jerks were gone and car returned back to me.

Now i've stopped using the car as much, only in the city as I was scared if it may breakdown in middle of nowhere on the highway and leave me stranded. Then, few months go by, car starts jerking slightly, not bothered i drive away, thinking will send the car again next day. Withing two minutes of driving, this popped up on the MID last week of my Audi Q5 2.0tdi.

"IT" has happened, I repeat; "IT" has happened !!

Sorry about this shitty Picture. Was a sad moment.


So my Q5, which I've had for almost 5.5 years has finally had a mechatronic failure. I was proud of telling people how Audi/VAG has fixed things and it may not be happening in as many cases after 2010, but I guess I was wrong.
I've already sent the car to the workshop and recieved a bill of Rs.3.5L and have been after their lives to get this done under Goodwill Warranty as the car has always been serviced at the workshop under the official Service Pack for all it's 1,25,000 kms covered till date.

So, I need help from you guys to help decide on keeping this car further by dropping at least 2L on this job alone, plus whatever else that may arise later OR just sell it now. Keeping in mind I've just spent good money on changing all 4 brake pads & discs, suspension bushes, mounts etc and brand new tires 10k km s ago. Now. I'm stuck thinking keep it or sell it as money has been spent on the car but more is needed now. Resale will be rather sad as it's a German Car which has covered huge amount of miles as per most dealers.

VSD

[Simple_car]

Originally Posted by VSD

Just another DSG Failure.

So, I need help from you guys to help decide on keeping this car further by dropping at least 2L on this job alone, plus whatever else that may arise later OR just sell it now. Keeping in mind I've just spent good money on changing all 4 brake pads & discs, suspension bushes, mounts etc and brand new tires 10k km s ago. Now. I'm stuck thinking keep it or sell it as money has been spent on the car but more is needed now. Resale will be rather sad as it's a German Car which has covered huge amount of miles as per most dealers.

VSD

Been there done that (albeit with a Japanese car )

Unless and until Audi agrees to cover it under warranty, I would advise you to sell of the car and cut your losses immediately. It's just not worth the headache after some time.

I empathise your situation. Let's hope that you can get the goodwill warranty.

Thanks,
Simple_car

[androdev]

1.25L km is a fair service from work-in-progress tech like DSG. I would assume that DSG will have a 2nd inning similar to this after you get it repaired and should serve you well. If the car is good in all other respects, then it is better to retain it. Even if you decide to sell, you may have to discount it by an amount similar to the repair cost.

[Hayek]

Am surprised Audi is not covering this under goodwill (though 125 k IS A LOT). Skoda covered my DSG at 2.5 years and 5 years - and I know folks who have had 3 mechatronics replacements done under goodwill. We just pointed out that Skoda has given a 10 year / 160 k km goodwill warranty in China due to failures arising from a design defect. Though perhaps that applies only to the DQ200

[giri1.8]

Originally Posted by VSD

Just another DSG Failure.
Resale will be rather sad as it's a German Car which has covered huge amount of miles as per most dealers.

VSD

Would spend money on repairs after 1L KM, only if it was not from Germany! No offence, but judging from your post, you seem to be anxious about any possible failure after crossing 1L km mark.

Even if you bring the car back to stock condition, this will always be at the back of your mind, I would any day choose peace of mind over resale issues