[PRADEEP KUMAR]

Gurus,
Recently i discovered that my 2005 crde well maintained etc is really slowing down in inclines.
I am writing this from coonoor.Used the kalhatti ghat and she really huffed and puffed up the hills.4 years back only once i shifted to 1 st gear!!!
Absolutely no issues in plains and she is doing fine there.
What could be the issue?

cheers.

[Aroy]

Originally Posted by PRADEEP KUMAR

Gurus,
Recently i discovered that my 2005 crde well maintained etc is really slowing down in inclines.
I am writing this from coonoor.Used the kalhatti ghat and she really huffed and puffed up the hills.4 years back only once i shifted to 1 st gear!!!
Absolutely no issues in plains and she is doing fine there.
What could be the issue?

cheers.

It is out of breadth!
. Check Fuel system for leaks/blockages. Similar situation reported on a Jeep in this forum.
. The fuel cap breather may be partially blocked.
. Clean the Injectors.
. Check compression of each cylinder.
. You may need Decarbonizing.
. Air Filter may be blocked.
. Clutch may be slipping.

[Styler]

Okay Guys Summer is here, and it's time to start planning for a trip to the most beautiful creation of God .... You guessed it . . The Himalayas.
I plan to do the kinnaur - lahaul - spiti - circuit this year.

I have a 80,000 kms done Non CRDE Scorpio in very good condition.
I got the Suspension done last month. I also got the Crosses for the shaft replaced when the suspension done. I got the intermediate steering drive shaft replaced last year just before my trip to Leh.

Now before the trip I plan to do the following things over the next month to have my Scorpio in really good shape. I need advice about these from the experts here.

1. I plan to change all rubber hoses and pipes used for the Cooling system and Fuel.

2. I plan to replace my 3 yr old Amaron in perfect shape (BTW this just the 2nd Battery after the OEM in the 8 year life of my Scorpio) with a new 80 Amp Amaron. Anybody knows the model no of the 80 Amp Amaron ?

3. Should I get the Clutch Plate etc replaced ? What is the life of the clutch with very good driving habbits ? The only thing done with my clutch till now was in the first 3 yrs. I had got both the Clutch Cylenders replaced with TVS from the market from my FNG . That was hardly an expense of 2000. Apart from that there has been no problem with the clutch at all. It still feels perfect. Now I am confused since my vehicle has done 80,000, should get the clutch done as a preventive maintenance routine even though it still in perfect shape.

4. Nozzle /Injector Cleaning. I have been thinking about getting this done at the Mico-Bosch Service Center for over a year now. Somebody had reported that after he got his injectors cleaned before a trip to high altitudes, he had no starting problem with starting at high altitude and the vehicle really improved. Now I am confused if I should just add System G a few times to the tank-full to clean injectors, or should I get them opened and services at the Mico-Bosch Service Center.

5. Alternator -Bearing. Should I get it replaced, although I have had no problems at all. My alternator and self are untouched.

Anything else recommended ?

[4x4addict]

Originally Posted by SanScorpio

Thanks had forgotten about the 2 year warranty, Its been serviced so far at Sireesh, but plan to change to SKS now. Are they good?

@San: After talking to some team-bhpians, I started doing my service @ SKS. Did my 20K and 30K service with them and am very happy with SKS.

[shivapsreddy]

My scorpio is around 16k km old and I would like to use synthetic oil for the engine. I think 5W40 will be suitable. Is it good idea to go for synthetic oil?.

My scorpio is serviced in Sireesh in Bangalore for the 3rd free one. They did Engine motorcare which was not requested and charged around 600. Is there any use of this?. Otherwise I would like to ask them, why they did this.

[m_upreti]

Originally Posted by m_upreti

The car is under extended warranty, surprisingly the Service Advisor forgot to mention this point, will speak to him first thing tomorrow. Thanks

Got the car from the servicing on Saturday. The following have was done:

1. Foam Air cleaner replaced - Rs 428.44
2. Rear Wiper arm replaced (was cracked) - Rs. 116.44
3. ABS wiring replaced - Rs. 1180.00 (50% under warranty)
4. Parking sensor wiring replaced - Rs. 26.66.00
5. Oil Filter change - Rs. 134.22
6. Engine Oil Change (Maxmile - MAXI6CR) - Rs. 1522.36
7. Door Adjust - Rs. 275.00
8. Brake Bleeding - Rs. 0.00
9. Clutch Pedal Adjust - Rs. 0.00
10. Washing & Cleaning - Rs. 0.00
11. Audio System Sound IC replacement - Rs. 1690.00
Other Charges:

1. Insulation Tape - Rs. 17.77
2. Consumable (??) - Rs. 200.00
3. Wiper Arm Fitting - Rs. 125.00
4. ABS Wiring fitting - Rs. 1275.00
5. Paid Service - 2700.00

Total Rs. 10,769.00

As usual M&M and its dealers do a slipshod work and overcharge.

I was told that the ABS wire was chewed by rats, prersonal inspection showed no sign of rat bites, the technicians had removed the insulation and tried joining the wires but it was not sorking so it seems to me it would probably be the degradation in the wire in other places also. An escalation to the M&M Mumbai Area Manager lead to a compromise of 50% coverage under Warranty.

The Sound syatem repair was quoted originally at Rs. 1250.00 and when I was handed the original bill it said Rs. 1910.00, on enquiring I was told that Rs. 660.00 was the tax.

Washing & cleaning was charged Rs. 450.00 and I still have the grease stains to show on my seat after the supposed cleaning. After raising with the A.S.S. GM it was waived off.

I still have issues with the following charges:

Consumables - Rs. 200.00 no one can explain what these are.
If these are a part of the servicing and repairs then why I have been charged for every thing including the wiring and insulation tape.

Rear Wiper fixing charges - Rs. 125.00 (the cost of wiper Rs. 116.44) for only one nut which has to be opened and tightened.

So, end of the story is as usual the overall experience with M&M continues to go from bad to worse and I stand committed on my resolve to neither to buy / nor recommend another M&M product to any one I know.

[NFS]

Originally Posted by comfortablynumb

Is your vehicle still under standard/extended warranty? If yes, will the above point be covered under that?

Cheers,
Vikram

Vikram,

Thanks for your PM with the email address. I emailed and reply arrived within 10 mins in my inbox. I kept emailing all the responses to M&M to keep documenting the situations and it worked.

Returned to Chennai on 16th April after all these problems, with NO OIL Pressure alerts till now.

Here is what happened during the bad days of M&M service. Please read if anyone wants to know the minute details.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ml#post2334855

Thanks once again for your help and I made use of "Thanks" button first time here in TBHP for your help.

[comfortablynumb]

Originally Posted by NFS

Returned to Chennai on 16th April after all these problems, with NO OIL Pressure alerts till now.......Here is what happened during the bad days of M&M service.

I just wonder when M&M's dealers will resolve customer issues on their own, without a kick up the backside from M&M area/zonal managers. Doubt if it would happen in our lifetime at least!

Anyway, good to hear that Sarge is hale and hearty again, NFS!

Cheers,
Vikram

[NFS]

Originally Posted by comfortablynumb

I just wonder when M&M's dealers will resolve customer issues on their own, without a kick up the backside from M&M area/zonal managers. Doubt if it would happen in our lifetime at least!

Anyway, good to hear that Sarge is hale and hearty again, NFS!

Cheers,
Vikram

I agree Vikram, they are big in marketing (even big in facebook), but not in dealer network. I kind of feel that this is only the some short period problem and they will overcome this hurdle for good. Hope for the best!

Windshield replacement require for Sarge, and when inquired about availability, the answer is "Not in Stock", wonder what is going to happen with this.

Experts, what are the suggestions?

Contacted M&M & Wind-shield Experts (WE)

Quote for scorpio glass from

M&M: 12,500 (no answer on estimated time of work completion, or stock availability)
WE: 8,900 (4 hours max including insurance claim)

I think I should claim the insurance, as I have the complete cover (even non covered parts covered) from Ba-j-aj.

What suggestions?

[getsurya]

NFS, sorry to hear all the trouble you are going through.

This is exactly the issue with M&M. No audit nor checks are done on the dealer for the behaviour, attitude, parts availability, customer service amenities etc. It is only 'our' one to one relationship with the A.S.C which comes to my rescue for all my servicing grinds

[agbenny]

Originally Posted by SPIKE ARRESTOR

The clutch slave cylinder (CSC) is placed inside the tunnel casing, so if CSC is replaced, the transmission will need to be brought down which takes some time, whereas the bundy tube mentioned by you (see attached pic marked 2) is connected externally to the CSC and does not necessitate 4 hours of labour. I smell something fishy here.

Attachment 533014

Spike

I checked with the Manager and found that they replaced the clutch slave cylinder as well as the slave tube. They said it comes with a cover now.

Now the problem started in a different way. After a week, I found the clutch has to be pressed 100% or even further till the floor for the first gear -otherwise it become troublesome to push. I decided to take it to them this week during the 24 Service.
Yesterday, they said they will adjust the Pedal ply (play?) and while take the vehicle I found extremely difficult to press - it become horribly hard. To my surprise the service guys says its normal. In my 10 years of driving experience only twice (in an Amby and in a tractor) I had felt such a clutch.

In my opinion Service people drive different vehicles each day, and its might not be easier to feel the changes that how a car owner feels. I am sure something is wrong now, and this not the way the clutch was.

Today, I called them again, made them to accept it, and given the vehicle to service again to make the clutch smoother again.

Do you guys see what the fix could have been for this?

Thanks

[wild child]

Originally Posted by PRADEEP KUMAR

Gurus,
Recently i discovered that my 2005 crde well maintained etc is really slowing down in inclines.
I am writing this from coonoor.Used the kalhatti ghat and she really huffed and puffed up the hills.4 years back only once i shifted to 1 st gear!!!
Absolutely no issues in plains and she is doing fine there.
What could be the issue?

cheers.

hi pradeep

get your scorp checked for the foolowing at ***

1. clutch plate liner wear
2. piston rings condition
3. turbo charger condition
4. get your air filter cleaned
5. get your diesel filter changed
6. maintain 35 psi air pressure in all tyres

i'm sure that once you get all these done, your beast will gallop up a hill as he used to earlier.

[hvkumar]

Originally Posted by hvkumar

The most positive fallout: the leak in the fuel pump has COMPLETELY stopped! Thinking about that, it looks that the injectors were not consuming their full quota of fuel which was obviously creating back-pressure in the fuel pump and the ensuing leak. Last 2 days, I have driven 2,800 kms in the last 2 days & 2 nights non-stop and the engine never lost its rev, I got to top speeds of 150 kmph easily and the fuel pump has stopped leaking (something which used to happen earlier on my full-speed long-distance non-stop drives).

I just returned from a drive to Ahmedabad & back and the injector flushing/ decarbonising and change of fuel feed pipe seems to have worked - the fuel pump has completely stopped leaking. Looks like all along the leak was happening because of "back pressure" due to clogged nozzles or poor passage of fuel in the system.

Therefore, next time you see leaks in fuel pumps, don;t run off immediately to Bosch service centres but check each of the sub-systems carefully - in my case I cleansed the fuel supply system (including flushing/decabonising the injectors) and refused to open up the fuel pump even though the general consensus was that the O ring of the fuel pump was gone and the suspicion by the Bosch service centre that the shaft would have to be replaced.

[hvkumar]

2 days ago, my AC abruptly stopped working.
When I press the switch, the AC working light comes on but the compressor refused to come to life.
I had been having a minor problem with the switch - sometimes it refused to engage, but always used to engage by pressing the switch 1-2 times more - for some time now.
S when the AC stopped working - before they started telling me about failed compressors, etc - I had the switch checked, and yes, the connector in the engine bay for the compressor was probably loose or had dirt, etc in it. ON removing and cleaning, the AC started working again. The possible reason why the switch became loose is that when I washed the engine bay with water, the pressure may have dislodged the connector resulting it losing contact from time to time.

I am posting this merely to caution all to check the simple things first before ASCs and specialised service centres start scaring you with big-time replacement expenditure.

[aviorp]

Thank you for the input hvkumar sir. I'm having this problem since yesterday. Hope you and other Scorp experts can help me with this.

Model : Scorpio VLX, 2008
KMS : 59970
Interval Since last service : 12000 (approx)

Problem :

1. Engine check LED is blinking
2. There is a mild clicking noise (about every 10-15 seconds), from the motor (located to the right of the engine, when facing from the front)

I checked with the A.S.S this morning and the SA said it is the Inductor that has gone bad and needs replacement. Unfortunately I dont have an Extended warranty and he quoted a whopping 18000 for replacement.

Now, what if I dont want to replace it, untill it dies completely? Is it safe? Will it have any harm on the engine?

I dont wish to shell out so much money right now, as I have some personal commitments. Please do let me know if there is any workaround.

Thanks in advance.