[HighwayofLife]

Originally Posted by SS-Traveller

If they are the same place, I'm not surprised about their incompetence.

Check the directory. My FNG is listed here. Reference to gd1418's FNG (Rakesh) appears here & here & here. Don't see a dedicated Directory entry for Rakesh Automobiles, but plenty of folks on the forum vouch for the guy's competence.

Got it. New to both team-BHP and the FNG scene in Gurgaon. Now I know both.

Spoke to my service advisor in detail today and what he told me was that the engine head cover nuts had not been tightened to the right torque, resulting in the slight leakage. This has now been fixed. Let's see now how it performs.

The problem description was a bit scary though, and I'm keeping fingers crossed.

[HighwayofLife]

The even more interesting part was the fact that the mechanic at Sterling forgot to put back the engine cover. I just opened the bonnet for checking the work after about an hour after leaving the service center and noticed this. Went back, hollered at them and got the cover replaced. Last time, they lost my floor mats and owe me that money in my next service.

[SharathScorp]

Originally Posted by DHABHAR.BEHRAM

Dear Comfortablynumb - I understand your anxiety. I have already conveyed the information to the concerned department within the company.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar

Originally Posted by .anshuman

This is a known issue for Mahindra, the service staff at Sri-Durga Auto(MASS) acknowledged this.Our Scorpio m-hawk's clutch master cylinder assembly failed some time ago.

Wonder why Manufacturers are scared of a recall despite a known problem? Similarly the master cylinder assembly in Fiat Punto is a known issue, my car broke down on road last month, most dealers do not even know Fiat is changing this part FOC.

Originally Posted by 4x4addict

I would like to share a very disappointing experience that happened to me on Satuday, 14th May. Before I describe the painful event, let me give a background of my vehicle.

Vehicle: Scorpio Mhawk VLX 4x4.
Kms Done: 32,000
Service History: All service done on time at the dealer.

This has happened to my 14K run mHawk LX. 2012 June Model.

[4x4addict]

Originally Posted by SharathScorp

This has happened to my 14K run mHawk LX. 2012 June Model.

Very sorry to hear about this. These crooks at Mahindra should issue a recall as the probability of this part failing is very high. The biggest pain is that gear box has to be removed to replace this, due to a silly design of the master cylinder. I guess Mahindra would rather get their customers go through the inconvenience of a break down rather than acknowledged their fault and replace the part free.

Any ways, after my experience with scorpio, I have totally ruled out any home grown Mahindra product, except for the Thar DI in which case I didn't really have a choice in that segment.

[SharathScorp]

All is well now after the chrome motors work. Third service was also done as it was 14K +. Everything came under warranty and no money spent!

Good job done by service advisor Abhilash with prompt follow ups and updates and also managed to make the vehicle delivered home.

Other note, Mahindra should note this clutch slave cylinder issue, which has been mentioned by lot of owners.

[Karumbaiah]

Scorpio Lx 2011 Dec
Kms Covered 41545

I faced similar Clutch related issue yesterday evening around 6pm.Myself and my wife (8.5 months pregnant) were travelling back home from our Ecospace office at Bellandur village, Sarjapur Outer ring road towards our House at Old HAL Airport road.When we were about to cross the first narrow bridge my clutch pedal gave away and could not change gears. Immediate braking was out of question with the traffic from both the sides. All i could do was switch ON the headlights, hazard lights and honk madly.Squezzed through the curves and by GOD's grace could switch Off the vehicle before the second Bridge and my SUV halted with few jumps. It was life threatening situation for both of us as we would have landed into Bellandur lake. Called up Crome Motors Koramangala (ASC)and asked for Road assitance. Around 8.45pm Road assitance arrived and towed my vehicle to Crome Motors Koramangala (ASC). Luckily got a rick and asked my wife to go home.
Morning met the Service Advisor and explained the problem and trauma i went through previous night. He said problem is with Clutch Slave cylinder and it will be replaced under Warantty free of cost. I told him, same problem i had reported and got it fixed when i had covered 4000kms and that too before my First Free Service. He didnt have any convincing
answer for this.
After going through each thread in this Forum I am not at all confident to drive this vehicle.Mahindra is not taking such problems seriously. My Service Advisor had called me in the noon to tell Clutch plate also needs to be changed and cost of it will be around Rs3000/- again he called up now and informed Clutch plate can be replaced during next service and vehicle will be ready only by tomorrow.Overall projected cost including 40000kms service is Rs9500/-

-Karumbaiah

[n.devdath]

Sorry if this has been posted and answered earlier:

Is this issue generic to MHawks or does it/can it happen to the older DIs or CRDe Scorpios as well?

[comfortablynumb]

Originally Posted by n.devdath

Sorry if this has been posted and answered earlier:

Is this issue generic to MHawks or does it/can it happen to the older DIs or CRDe Scorpios as well?

mHawks only, and I guess that too manufactured within a specific time frame. At least I haven't come across any instance of this problem, online or otherwise, in the pre-mHawk Scorpios.

Cheers,
Vikram

[4x4addict]

Originally Posted by n.devdath

Is this issue generic to MHawks or does it/can it happen to the older DIs or CRDe Scorpios as well?

With the mhawk the slave cylinder was changed to the Concentric slave cylinder that sits inside the Bell Housing. The CRDe has the standard set up with the exposed slave cylinder. Even if it fails, you can swap it out in half hour. The mhawk requires removal of the drive shafts and transmission to change the slave cylinder.

[SS-Traveller]

Originally Posted by 4x4addict

With the mhawk the slave cylinder was changed to the Concentric slave cylinder that sits inside the Bell Housing.

The logic of doing this was to reduce the pedal effort required to operate the clutch; the 2.6 CRDe's clutch was much heavier to operate than the mHawk's.

[4x4addict]

Originally Posted by SS-Traveller

The logic of doing this was to reduce the pedal effort required to operate the clutch; the 2.6 CRDe's clutch was much heavier to operate than the mHawk's.

How does Tata Safari clutch require minimal effort without the concentric slave cylinder. I would expect more reliability from a pace maker than a watch.

[amk_2009]

My Feb-2010 Sle had clutch issue for last 2 days. First start of the day and clutch is dead. I could slot in gears after some effort. Once moving, gear movement was much smoother but not ideal.
Went to Sahyadri Motors, Wagholi, Pune and got it checked. Apparently there was leakage in clutch tube. Replaced it and now vehicle is running fine again.
Total expense Rs.850.

[magneto]

I have been hearing so many people having failure of the slave cylinder , so I have been thinking ,that is it possible that the dot 3 brake fluid which is hygroscopic in nature , is absorbing moisture and spoiling the wall of the cylinder due to corrosion .

In the above scenario I would recommend that the oil be replaced at least one a year especially after the monsoon , just as it is recommended for the brake system .

In fact the old oil would also lose some of its lubricating properties after a period of time , thus wearing out the oil seals and pistons .

Also I feel that mahindra is using an outdated dot 3 oil whereas the world has changed over to a better dot 4 which has.much better specs and is not hygroscopic in nature .

[droolingvoyager]

My mhwawk 4x4 Lx purchased on June 2012, Even after reading/following this thread. I was jittery all through the purchase and after that driving it through long distances. Always checking the gear changes or any changes in clutch. I have changed clutch oil thrice in 30K run.

Now, I see a small lag in pull in the ooty hairpin loops. If there is momentum, no issues. However if its from stop and go situations, I am having to do half clutch and rev. This was not the case when last I was driving on the ooty hairpins (masinagudi ooty).

Experts, should I be scared? I have given the car for the third paid service at Anant motors. Any help in getting to the root of the issue and avoid breakdowns on the road will be very helpful.

[humyum]

Originally Posted by droolingvoyager

My mhwawk 4x4 Lx purchased on June 2012, Even after reading/following this thread. I was jittery all through the purchase and after that driving it through long distances. Always checking the gear changes or any changes in clutch. I have changed clutch oil thrice in 30K run.

Now, I see a small lag in pull in the ooty hairpin loops. If there is momentum, no issues. However if its from stop and go situations, I am having to do half clutch and rev. This was not the case when last I was driving on the ooty hairpins (masinagudi ooty).

Experts, should I be scared? I have given the car for the third paid service at Anant motors. Any help in getting to the root of the issue and avoid breakdowns on the road will be very helpful.

Hey, could be because of altitude too. To give you a perspective, the turbokick @ a particular rpm won't be same at sea level Mumbai to at a height at Mahabaleshwar. See if the lag still remains when you get down on the altitude. It mostly wont.