[VJ05]

C5 although a good option but very difficult to find. Also will go over budget.

[acedriver_9000]

Tiguans seem to have depreciated very well. Go for it if you can live with harsh ride quality. Else kodiaq. A rule of thumb in pre-owned market is never buy a car with more than 40-50k kms mileage. If your usage permits sedans then please look at passat as well. Nice car with very good depreciation in used car market.

[harish]

Have both the Tiguan (AllSpace) and the Kodiaq (L&K) but with the 2.0 TSI engine. I would say go for the Kodiaq as the Tiguan is a lot more stiffly sprung. These two are absolute vfm at the price that you want to get them at.

Offtopic, have the Tiguan's depreciated that much? quick search on OLX. Cheapest I can find is ~17.5 lakhs but 2 owners, nearing a lakh kms and comfort-line.

I would recommend not getting car that has done more than 50k kms as well.

[anandhsub]

What is the model year of your Yeti and how many kilometers has it run, both by you and in total?

Within 15 lakhs don't think you will get a car that either doesnt show its age or is an upgrade from Yeti.

If there is nothing wrong mechanically with it, might be better to just spend on sprucing it up a bit.

[VJ05]

Originally Posted by acedriver_9000

Tiguans seem to have depreciated very well. Go for it if you can live with harsh ride quality. Else kodiaq. A rule of thumb in pre-owned market is never buy a car with more than 40-50k kms mileage. If your usage permits sedans then please look at passat as well. Nice car with very good depreciation in used car market.

After driving SUV's/Crossover's for many years, it'll be difficult to transition to slow slung Sedan's but yes Passat or even for the matter Superb are a good option.

Originally Posted by harish

Have both the Tiguan (AllSpace) and the Kodiaq (L&K) but with the 2.0 TSI engine. I would say go for the Kodiaq as the Tiguan is a lot more stiffly sprung. These two are absolute vfm at the price that you want to get them at.

Offtopic, have the Tiguan's depreciated that much? quick search on OLX. Cheapest I can find is ~17.5 lakhs but 2 owners, nearing a lakh kms and comfort-line.

I would recommend not getting car that has done more than 50k kms as well.

Both are available for >15L. Looks like have to extend the budget.

Originally Posted by anandhsub

What is the model year of your Yeti and how many kilometers has it run, both by you and in total?

Within 15 lakhs don't think you will get a car that either doesnt show its age or is an upgrade from Yeti.

If there is nothing wrong mechanically with it, might be better to just spend on sprucing it up a bit.

2013, 80K in total, 17K by me in the last 3 years. It's now 11 years old. I have already changed the clutch with flywheel, timing belt, fuel pump and all the ABS sensors. Need suspension overhaul and few other cosmetic changes for a complete overhaul but then again it's a 11 year old car at the end of the day.

[acedriver_9000]

Originally Posted by VJ05

2013, 80K in total, 17K by me in the last 3 years. It's now 11 years old. I have already changed the clutch with flywheel, timing belt, fuel pump and all the ABS sensors. Need suspension overhaul and few other cosmetic changes for a complete overhaul but then again it's a 11 year old car at the end of the day.

When you have changed so many things, why don't you just keep the car. If you change the car you may have to go through over all that again. Yeti should serve you well since you have changed all the major & important parts.

If you are a car enthusiast look at something like a pajero sfx etc which can satisfy the enthusiast itch in you while yeti may do the beater duties.

Give a thought before buying. I would ask you to avoid heavily driven german cars. kodiaq and tiguan with dsg gearboxes may not be easy to repair if any problem occurs. Either increase your budget and get a car in good condition from the above list or look at something else from a lower segment like compass etc. If you are adventurous then try something like pajero sfx. These are just my two cents from a limited knowledge.

[shardul_pathak]

Hi guys, I am dealing with a perennial dilemma of buying a new car. After parting ways with my 2016 Camry, I am left with an urgent need to fill the space with another car.

I had contemplated buying another Camry, albeit the hybrid version but recent rains in my city and a harrowing experience by my wife and mother has swayed me away. The only options I am looking at buying now are SUVs. Not considering the Mahindra XUV700 and Tata Safari for all of former's niggles and latter’s ASS nightmares I have read about.

What options am I left with? I was considering the Hycross ZX(O) as a friend has a booking form the time of launch and was confident of getting the car delivered within a fortnight, but when checked with the dealer he was informed that since he had already passed on the offer for taking delivery twice, his priority had moved way down.

Given my urgency I have booked a 4X4 AT Fortuner in black with a dealer in Jaipur. I am not given a fixed time for delivery yet and was told at the time of booking that the car will take 3 weeks to come as black Fortuners are only built on order.

Its been 2 weeks since and the dealer had informed that my car was not in their supply sheet for the month of November either.

Now that I have 2 more weeks at best before the car arrives, I am left thinking if the new Fortuner with a 52 Lakh on road price, is even worth the money? My requirements are a ladder on frame, 4X4 automatic SUV, with no nonsense ownership experience for the next decade.

I love road trips and would take the car throughout the country.

Do I have any other options apart form the Fortuner? I am aware of the bad ride quality, heavy steering and poor NVH levels. Is the Gloster worth considering?

If I plan to stick with the Fortuner, what kind of discounts can I expect form the dealer? Can people with recent experiences please help me with striking a deal?

P.S. Mods, please help me place this in a pre existing thread if there is one!

[Sensible_Speed]

There are much better ladder frame options from Mahindra than there ever was. If I were you, I'd pick the Scorpio-N or a Thar Roxx 4x4 with my eyes closed and never think about it again. They both cost half the Fortuner's price and are more comfortable to be in. Your only headwind would be the delivery times. But, hold off on buying a Fortuner.

[SR-71]

Coming from a Camry, Fortuner probably is not your first best choice, considering the significant difference in ride quality. With 50L kitty you have the choice of Skoda Kodiaq, Hyundai Tuscon, VW Tiguan, MG Gloster and the Jeep Meridian in the SUV segment with 4WD capability. All these options will still leave a few Ls behind, in your kitty and have much better ride quality compared to the Fortuner. If you are strictly restricting yourself to BoF, then Gloster is probably the only alternative, I guess. But if you are willing to overlook the BoF requirement, the Tucson might tick rest of your requirements.

[Seeler_Rebeiro]

Please try a crossover like the Hyundai Ioniq 5.

[shardul_pathak]

Originally Posted by Sensible_Speed

There are much better ladder frame options from Mahindra than there ever was. If I were you, I'd pick the Scorpio-N or a Thar Roxx 4x4 with my eyes closed and never think about it again. They both cost half the Fortuner's price and are more comfortable to be in. Your only headwind would be the delivery times. But, hold off on buying a Fortuner.

I am looking at keeping the car for 10+ years, not really sure about the reliability the new age Mahindra offer. Very often I see and hear experience s of niggles with electronics on these machines. As much as I respect Mahindra for all its innovation, I aim for hassle free ownership and a strong resale value at the end, which I doubt Mahindra might offer?

Originally Posted by SR-71

Coming from a Camry, Fortuner probably is not your first best choice, considering the significant difference in ride quality. With 50L kitty you have the choice of Skoda Kodiaq, Hyundai Tuscon, VW Tiguan, MG Gloster and the Jeep Meridian in the SUV segment with 4WD capability. All these options will still leave a few Ls behind, in your kitty and have much better ride quality compared to the Fortuner. If you are strictly restricting yourself to BoF, then Gloster is probably the only alternative, I guess. But if you are willing to overlook the BoF requirement, the Tucson might tick rest of your requirements.

I need a 7 seater, hence the Tucson is out of the picture. I plan to take the car through rough terrains, Ladhakh trip and Spiti winter expedition is on the mind too, wonder if the soft roaders will be able to cope?

I know I had asked for suggestions, but the irony of our current car market is, that with a 5 million rupee budget, you dont really have an option for a car that does everything and is feature loaded. I REALLY wish the Endy was still on sale.

Originally Posted by Seeler_Rebeiro

Please try a crossover like the Hyundai Ioniq 5.

At this point in time, I am not comfortable spending 40 Lakh++ on an electric car. Maybe I will change the way I think in 10 years!


Does any one have any ideas about discounts being offered on the Furtuners for this month?

[Sensible_Speed]

Originally Posted by shardul_pathak

I am looking at keeping the car for 10+ years, not really sure about the reliability the new age Mahindra offer. Very often I see and hear experience s of niggles with electronics on these machines. As much as I respect Mahindra for all its innovation, I aim for hassle free ownership and a strong resale value at the end, which I doubt Mahindra might offer?

Mahindra is as mechanically reliable as a Fortuner today. Electronic faults are common with the Fortuner too. A new Mahindra can easily last you 10+ years without any trouble. Resale value for Mahindras are quite strong. But, a 10 year old diesel will not retain its value regardless of how strong its brand may be, due to tightening environmental regulations. At the end of the day, the decision is yours to make. The Fortuner is a solid car to buy. If you don't mind grossly overpaying for a relic, you will enjoy it a lot. But, if you decide to save the change for a rainy day, the Scorpio-N or Roxx will not disappoint.
Happy purchasing!

[Bicycle7385]

Originally Posted by GTO

My favourite body-on-frame SUV from this segment has been discontinued (the fantastic Endeavour 3.2L). The Fortuner's ride is too bumpy for my tastes, and the Gloster is too soft.

There are three cars that truly impress me here. The Kodiaq, Carnival & C5 Aircross. I'd go with the Kodiaq because it is truly a well-rounded crossover that matches luxury SUVs from a segment or two above. Carnival would be choice no.2 if I needed to move a big family or needed that middle-row comfort. It's the only van I'd ever buy.

As things stand today, the Kodiaq gets my vote. The facelift is really something else.

As I own the C5 , I am happy to see you have it as one of your choice.

[astrodex]

Originally Posted by shardul_pathak

Do I have any other options apart form the Fortuner? I am aware of the bad ride quality, heavy steering and poor NVH levels. Is the Gloster worth considering?

Have you test driven these cars? If not, I would recommend you test drive Fortuner, Gloster and Meridian. Fortuner is a great choice, but I feel it is a gen too old, subpar ride quality and too pricey and your expectations of resale after 10+ years for diesel might not be what it is today.

Do test drive the Gloster. The ride quality is much better but the performance is very subpar for the numbers. It does make up in the interiors, space and features compared to Fortuner and I suspect would be something you can get much quicker considering your compressed timeline. Meridian is another option that has the chops of taking you anywhere you listed without any problems, have better ride quality and you should be able to get this too with deep discounts and faster timeline but it might have the sames quality issues you mentioned of Tata and Mahindra.

Also, if u are really looking at reliability, consider the old Innova Crysta (non Hycross). It is BoF, built like a tank and should get you better resale than Fortuner and should be available faster than HyCross. Just don't expect the head turning impressiveness of the SUVs.

[RijuC]

1. For Ladakh trips, if we select a favourable weather window, AND, we do not engage beyond mild off-roading (not going off-the-tarmac); an RWD with Automatic transmission and rugged well built car should be good enough.

For rainy season, water and mud puddle crossing or challenging off-roading, we need the 4x4 or at least the AWD electro-mechanicals.

2. For winter Spiti, driving through the snow or black ice; we need snow chains and good suitable tyres. At the end, we need to evaluate whether we are really interested to drive through black ice surface with our family (all 6-7 passengers on board in a 7 seater car) ? And how many times we intend to do this winter Spiti during the entire lifetime of our car? Isn't a hired 4x4 and group travel better for winter Spiti? A light weight vehicle with proper 4x4 like Jimny would be preferable for extreme winter Spiti drive with fresh snow or wet snow, black ice condition etc.

3. Heavy weight and large dimension vehicle like MG Gloster etc. is not a good candidate for narrow hill roads with sharp hairpin bends covered in snow, black ice.

4. General road condition of Ladakh is much better now. No need of 4x4 if someone intends to visit there even during shoulder time of the season.

During winter Spiti, we are not going to cross Kunzum pass, Chandratal, Chandratal to Manali route.

An AWD with AT would be sufficient to explore these destinations provided you are not doing any extreme terrains under extreme weather conditions. You have good cars with AWD+AT in a budget of 5 million INR.

All vehicles would have niggles, if not driven or maintained properly. Even the MSIL known for their good ASS, best Service network failed to support the Jimny users. They couldn't provide us proper resolution to any basic issues reported.