[Aviator_guy]

Originally Posted by Hayek

The need to put the DSG cars in neutral is because when you hold the car with a normal brake at a signal, it is straining on the transmission (also true for TC gearboxes) and while I can’t claim to be a technical expert, this seems to be the equivalent of holding a manual on brakes with the clutch pressed. When you press autohold, the car is no longer straining on the gearbox - once again based on experience rather than technical knowledge, it seems like the car automatically goes into neutral and goes back into gear when you dab the accelerator.

AFAIK Auto hold doesn't make car to go to neutral. It holds the brakes in place instead of the driver having to keep the legs on brake padels during a stop. During a go situation, you just need to press accelerator and brakes would dis-engage automatically. Keeping the car in D or N during auto hold is still driver's choice. That's how it works in my Creta IVT.

[drhoneycake]

I own a BS6 Diesel and it has had no DPF issues whatsoever in the past 60k kms and 1.5 years. Also have Seltos and Creta BS6 diesels in the family with no issues whatsoever. If it were me, I would still pick the diesel.

However in your use case, I don’t think you need the diesel. Your annual running seems too low to warrant a diesel.

[alphahere]

I have a considerable experience with the Hyundai 7 Speed DCT from brand new over 2 years and 50k miles in the US in the form of an Elantra 1.6 Turbo petrol 201hp. It is not really slick in my opinion. It can be a bit jerky at times, the clutch engagement will begin to be felt at start off (like a slight judder) as the odo racks up the numbers. Agreed the performance is good and the car can take care of the clutch by itself in most situations but the user needs to be aware of the DCT best practices too for it to really last specially in the Indian traffic conditions. There is no real need to shift into neutral while standing still, the car will disengage the clutch if the brakes are on or the parking brake is on. But crawling in slow traffic is definitely not recommended.

On the other side a torque converter is almost idiot proof. There is no clutch plate to wear out and the resulting smoothness is way above what the DCT can offer specially as the kms rack up. I currently have a Compass diesel in India and an X1 diesel in the UK both with a torque converter and both with DPF. The X1 performs in a different league altogether, it seems to blend the performance of a DCT and the smoothness of a torque converter whereas the Compass is much more smooth but not as quick. Both these vehicles have not given signs of any problems on the gearbox or the DPF. It should be fine if there are occasional drives of 1hr or more, below this it may hamper the regeneration function which would lead to the check light and issues.

Also diesels are much easier to live with and drive due to the available muscle whereas the turbo petrol is more peaky in nature. Performance can be extracted only at the expense of FE whereas diesels perform well with no FE impact without even trying. May be the reason why most turbo petrols available on the market are either mated to an MT or a DCT and diesels tend to stay with a TC. I guess the answer to the query is to weigh the pros and cons given the use case and then decide. I have voted for the diesel because it just feels indestructible, DPF or not.

[Col Mehta]

My two cents:

Don’t buy either (I have voted for the petrol DCT though - just in case you really want/have to buy the Seltos now)..

BS6 diesels are plagued with DPF issues and in your case, it’s highly likely that you will experience it more often. The phase 2 diesel has been tuned down and no longer offers the same performance (read poor torque and drivability). I recently drove a Ph2 diesel Creta and came out disappointed. Here is my experience -

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offic...ml#post5657339 (Hyundai Creta : Official Review)

DCTs can never be reliable and if you are looking for a peace of mind ownership then stay away from them. DCTs deliver superior driving performance on open roads/highways, but they are laggy in low speeds/city traffic conditions.

Now, Seltos doesn’t come with NA IVT in its top variant which is a shame. Creta SXO NA IVT sells in numbers as it offers all the possible features and a more reliable engine and transmission combo. So if you can wait for a few months, Creta facelift is on its way and should come with all the bells and whistles while giving you more flexibility to choose a third option.

[Logan2007]

Own a 4yo Seltos DCT with 24k on odo. Only faced the heating issue maybe on 3-4 occasions when traffic was really really bad (even from Bangalore standards). Which to me isn't really a bother at all. On the other hand, just love the performance. It's a myth it only performs with premium petrol. The way a trubo petrol + DCT picks up speed and overtakes most stuff in the way, it can get addictive

In the Seltos line up it'll be my top pick again.

[fhdowntheline]

Voted for the DCT Seltos for two reasons:

1) Diesel will simply be made the villain (a scapegoat in the true sense) for any future regulations in the name of "environment" in large urban areas, other factors notwithstanding. With the recent international parlays on COP28, this will further hasten any demonstration of intent.
2) After having transitioned from a BS 6 1.5 CRDI AT(Creta) to the Verna DCT, there IS a perceptible difference in the driveability. T-BHP reviews succinctly characterize them as "adequate" and FAST" respectively. That's the bottomline.

[bijims]

I am a Kia Seltos GTX+ Diesel AT owner myself, and my brother owns an X-Line Petrol DCT, so I think I am in a position to answer your queries. I also own a Sonet Petrol DCT and he owns a Sonet Diesel AT, so both of us have a petrol-diesel combo of Sonets and Seltos'. Now, coming to your situation, considering you don't need the extra performance of the DCT, and you already own turbo petrol in the Sonet iMT, I would suggest you go for the Diesel AT as both are priced at par.

The advantages are better fuel efficiency, tried and tested diesel engine mated to a reliable torque converter AT gearbox. As I said my brother owns a Sonet Diesel AT which has the same engine as the Seltos Diesel AT and he hasn't had a single DPF issue in these 3 years, that too his Sonet hardly runs 5000 km a year. So with your running of 9000 km DPF issues aren't likely provided you have a highway run or so about 30 minutes in a month.

Now, as regards the difference in fuel efficiency between our Seltos' I get a minimum of 12 kmpl in traffic and at least 19-20 kmpl on the highway, that too even without Eco mode. My brother gets single-digit fuel efficiency in traffic, and 15-17 kmpl in the highway, with Eco mode. Moreover, the Turbo Petrol DCT is for those who want performance and fun. If you are into it, go for it eyes closed, else you would be better off with the Diesel AT.

Now, as regards, maintenance and insurance, we have both taken the My Convenience Plus packages and the difference amounts to just Rs.5000 more for the diesel over 5 years. Insurance is priced at par too, so there isn't much to differentiate here. It finally boils down to a case of performance over fuel economy and reliability. Which is most important to you, wins!

If you need any further help or assistance, feel free to DM me!

[headbanger]

Originally Posted by 07CR

Some information about my usage-
My annual running is about 9000 kms.
Most of it is in city conditions with long highway trips thrown in once a month. The car would spend it's major time in short city trips of around 10 kms.
I also have a Kia Sonet iMT Turbo Petrol, which has been niggle free in it's 2.5 year existence with us.

Just curious, why not IVT? On paper, that transmission suits the requirements to the T.

[steadfast]

You are in Pune. Should not happen 5 years down the line there is a restriction on diesel cars and you are forced to replace even this car pre maturely

[Blow Horn Ok]

Just drove an 84k run 2019 ecosport and 49kms run brand new sonet gtline imt diesel today. To be Frank, the space inside is same and the I liked the the way the ecosport pulled in every gear. Though the clutch was hard in the ecosport, it was more enjoyable to drive. Since you own the S variant which was loaded for its time, i would say stick on it for few more years. Apart from lighter controls and the new car feel, I didn't found the sonet to be a worthy upgrade.

[jsl]

I don’t think so the Autohold function negates the heating issues because few days ago on the NH-8, there was very heavy crawling traffic and cars were moving at a speed of 2-3km/hr. There I saw a brand new facelifted Seltos DCT on the side of the road with hazard lights on, I asked the driver what happened to his new car and he told what me what I was expecting…. The gearbox has overheated and we have to stop the car for sometime until the gearbox gets back to normal and he also told me that he was using the auto hold function whenever the car was stationery. This was during nighttime when the temperature was around 16-17 degrees and it had recently rained.
So I think the dct heating issues are still isn’t resolved by Kia. So would recommend you to stick to Diesel+AT combo which is proven, tested and quite reliable. Also the diesel is here for the next decade so you can buy it without any worry.
Hope this helps! (correct me if I am wrong somewhere).

[07CR]

Thank you all for your helpful comments.
I have decided to proceed with GT Line DCT. I feel I simply don't need the diesel for my extremely low running. With my usecase I am sure to get DPF issues sooner than later, and WRT probable DCT issues, I believe I am less likely to get those (TOUCHWOOD!). That said, the performance is simply on another level, and it's stuck in mind. Therefore the DCT is sealed for me!

Originally Posted by headbanger

Just curious, why not IVT?

After driving relatively torquey and powerful cars for a decade, the IVT feels like a huge downgrade WRT performance. Even though most of the running would be in city, we do hit the highways atleast once a month, and the IVT will feel strained each time on the highways.

Originally Posted by steadfast

You are in Pune. Should not happen 5 years down the line there is a restriction on diesel cars and you are forced to replace even this car pre maturely

Exactly. This was at the back of mind hence, decided against Diesel.

Originally Posted by Blow Horn Ok

Apart from lighter controls and the new car feel, I didn't found the sonet to be a worthy upgrade.

I am looking for a Seltos GT line. I already have a Sonet iMT HTX. Space inside the Seltos is much better than Ecosport. That said, Ecosport is a gem, and I will miss it. Only reason I am selling it currently is because I am getting nearly 93% of amount when I had bought it. That is great for a pre owned, 5.5 year old product, whose manufacturer isn't around anymore!

Originally Posted by jsl

So I think the dct heating issues are still isn’t resolved by Kia. So would recommend you to stick to Diesel+AT combo which is proven, tested and quite reliable. Also the diesel is here for the next decade so you can buy it without any worry.
Hope this helps! (correct me if I am wrong somewhere).

I cancelled diesel for following reasons-
1) Relatively less running. More so in city conditions (DPF issues reported by most owners with more city driving).
2) Uncertainities with Diesel. Even thought Diesel cars are here to stay for another decade, Govt might come up with a similar rule like NGT in 2027. This will effectively nosedive the resale value.

Originally Posted by bijims

If you need any further help or assistance, feel free to DM me!

Thanks bijims! The performance upgrade was too hard to resist for me. DCT GT Line it is!

Originally Posted by fhdowntheline

However in your use case, I don’t think you need the diesel. Your annual running seems too low to warrant a diesel.

Originally Posted by ike

Your running does not warrant a diesel.

Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain

1. There is no case for diesel. You don’t have the running to make it worth the DPF risks, short running and potential regulatory issues

Completely agree. Proceeding with DCT.

Originally Posted by svsantosh

If Toyota are not able to master the DEF/DPF yet it means it is something that never should be on a automobile.

100% agreed. If toyota is not able to fix it, I better stay away from it. DCT it its.

[sulivan]

Close to 10k on the odo with second service around the corner my pals seltos diesel popped up with a permanently lit engine malfunction light. After inspection at the service center they concluded it as a manufacturing defect related with the exhaust. The particulate filter and the whole catalytic convertor (which is bolt on) will be replaced free of cost. Several vehicle with certain serial number are reported with the same defect. The actual cost would come to around 1.5 lakh otherwise.

[Aviator_guy]

Originally Posted by sulivan

Close to 10k on the odo with second service around the corner my pals seltos diesel popped up with a permanently lit engine malfunction light. After inspection at the service center they concluded it as a manufacturing defect related with the exhaust. The particulate filter and the whole catalytic convertor (which is bolt on) will be replaced free of cost. Several vehicle with certain serial number are reported with the same defect. The actual cost would come to around 1.5 lakh otherwise.

Such high maintenance within 10k km
Thank God it is covered under warranty for now, but can't imagine the maintenance cost and associated headache it will bring during long term ownership

That's the main reason I advise my friends and family to stay away from diesel.

[sulivan]

Originally Posted by Aviator_guy

but can't imagine the maintenance cost and associated headache it will bring during long term ownership

Yeah, its true in every perspective.
I don't know how the iMt will fare probably after 70-90k km. The cost might be prohibitively deterring.
Three out of five vehicle at the service center is with the DPF issue. Even with just 200km at the odo.
I still feel most of the owners are ignorant about taking up passive regeneration as a task and hiccups cropping up later on lack of attaining acceptable exhaust temp to burn the soot off.