[ashivas89]

Originally Posted by MotorDev

Thanks for catching that! I'll request the mods to update it.

Thanks for putting together the thread starter though, really great effort

cheers!

[vasanthn21]

Thanks for the very detailed comparison.

To make sense of all this information, I tried putting numbers against the information here. I have made certain considerations, which I have explained below. But the final score is intriguing to say the least. I was inclined towards Honda Elevate, but score says otherwise



Considerations:

• Dimensions: To consider height, I have subtracted ground clearance from overall height to get the usable cabin height.

• Features: Have considered the "number" of features from the original post here (I am guessing these compare the high end variants and not the base variants). I have not added any weightage, hence it may not be relevant to all. For example: Ventilated seats get 1 point, and a car without it gets zero. But, ventilated seats may not be a priority for some.

• Safety: Where NCAP ratings are not available, I have assumed NCAP scores based on features (In such cases, cars with ADAS get 1 point higher than non-ADAS cars). Note that I have summed up the adult NCAP rating and child NCAP rating. If the NCAP rating for adults is 3, and child safety NCAP rating is 2, the score is 5.

• Power: Have scored based on Power to weight ratio. (BHP/Ton). Most values are picked from team BHP official review. Model considered is the petrol base version (If there are two versions of petrol including a turbo charged version, the non-turbo charged version is considered).

• Fuel Efficiency: FE figures of the manual petrol version is considered

• Price: Price of entry level petrol variant is considered. The difference in the highest variant could be significant and may impact the score.

• Exterior and Interior impressions are not considered as it is very subjective and difficult to compare and score.

After this exercise, I checked vehicle sales numbers for some cross-validation. In the July sales data (from team BHP - https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...-analysis.html (July 2023 : Indian Car Sales Figures & Analysis)), I see that Creta sells a lot more than Seltos. But, in my analysis, Seltos has a higher score. Maybe I should be considering the mid-variants (which is more practical from a purchase view point rather than the base variant).

[Sufficient_shop]

Originally Posted by vasanthn21

Thanks for the very detailed comparison.

To make sense of all this information, I tried putting numbers against the information here. I have made certain considerations, which I have explained below. But the final score is intriguing to say the least. I was inclined towards Honda Elevate, but score says otherwise

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Good attempt. Just one question. How did Creta score more than Seltos in safety? Both have same gncap scores but new Seltos has 6 airbags by default + ADAS L2 in higher variants. Should Ideally score more.

[pannags]

Originally Posted by MotorDev

Below, I compare all these midsize SUVs across various departments

Great job compiling this. Provides quick reference and details for anyone looking at purchasing or analyzing options in this segment.

Just one tip - when using images, please retain the original aspect ratio. This way, the proportions and dimensions of the image remain accurate and consistent.

Originally Posted by vasanthn21

I was inclined towards Honda Elevate, but score says otherwise

Have you applied the right weightage against the parameters you are comparing in accordance with your priorities?

Frankly, while this will give you a better indicator of what delvers more value, you might want to add points for what you like as a product. The feel good factor that comes with acquiring something you truly desire can be priceless

[beez]

Originally Posted by MotorDev

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This will probably stay as the go to thread for SUV buying decisions for a long time. Thanks MotorDev for the effort behind this detailed analysis!

I have a query about the air purifier feature. As per the brochure (see screenshot), Elevate comes with a cabin air purifying filter. Isn't this same as the air purifier listed in features?

[cos2bh]

Originally Posted by MotorDev

The midsize SUV market offers a diverse range of choices tailored to your specific needs. Whether you prioritize performance, space, luxury, safety, features, or efficiency, there's an SUV for you.

Thank you very much for the most comprehensive comparison I have looked at. Appreciate it very much.

I have already booked the Seltos GTX+ TGDI 7DCT last month and am desperately awaiting the call that the car will be delivered within a week.

[MotorDev]

Originally Posted by beez

I have a query about the air purifier feature. Elevate comes with a cabin air purifying filter. Isn't this same as the air purifier listed in features?

Actually, there is a small difference between an air purifier and a filter. In cars like the Creta, you can control the settings of the air purifier and switch it on/off, whereas in the Honda Elevate, Honda hasn't even mentioned an air purifier. Almost every car these days has a PM 2.5 filter. Both devices serve to improve air quality, but an air filter primarily filters the air, while an air purifier goes a step further by sanitizing the air, removing particles such as pollen, capturing fine dust particles, and eliminating unpleasant odours.

[DCEite]

Thanks for the detailed comparison. Makes things so much more clear.

Originally Posted by MotorDev

[list][*]Excellent low-end torque (1.5L TSI) for city driving.
[*]Noticeable turbo lag (1.0L TSI) but strong mid-range power.

I thought it was the other way around, the 1.5 TSI having average low end torque but good mid and top end, and the 1.0 TSI with good low end response making it better for purely City driving compared to the 1.5.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

[vasanthn21]

Originally Posted by Sufficient_shop

Good attempt. Just one question. How did Creta score more than Seltos in safety? Both have same gncap scores but new Seltos has 6 airbags by default + ADAS L2 in higher variants. Should Ideally score more.

Purely based on the information in the thread. Look at the GNCAP ratings for Creta and Seltos (pre-facelift). Creata has 3 and 3 in adult and child safety where as Seltos has 3 + 2 in adult and child safety.

[vasanthn21]

Originally Posted by pannags

Have you applied the right weightage against the parameters you are comparing in accordance with your priorities?

Looks like you have read my post in a hurry! I have clearly mentioned "I have not added any weightage, hence it may not be relevant to all. For example: Ventilated seats get 1 point, and a car without it gets zero. But, ventilated seats may not be a priority for some."

[MotorDev]

Originally Posted by DCEite

I thought it was the other way around, the 1.5 TSI having average low end torque but good mid and top end, and the 1.0 TSI with good low end response making it better for purely City driving compared to the 1.5.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

The 1.5L TSI engine effectively masks turbo lag, while the 1.0L TSI engine has more noticeable turbo lag at low speeds. It only starts gaining momentum once it reaches the turbo range.

[GeeTee TSI]

Analytical treat! Makes the best use of objective assessment of attributes which can be assessed thus. Especially helpful to identify absolute laggards in specific attributes (which I look out for in general)

That said, cars are meant to be driven and travelled in; the experience of driving and travelling in them will make it more complete (for serious buyers in the market). This subjective assessment is not only the hardest but also what many casual buyers/non-enthusiasts don't bother with, (countless examples even from close family circles) poring over documents more than being at the wheel!

[Secretariat]

Stunningly detailed thread from a BHPian who is probably the youngest member in this forum and who can't drive any of these vehicles for a while

Brilliant. I can only imagine what sort of threads he would start when he can actually drive.

Bravo MotorDev

[sapien]

Superb analysis!

But strangely there’s not a single option from these which offer all below attributes in a single package
Stating the lacking areas in each:
1. Safety - creta/seltos
2. Refinement and build - hyryder gv
3. Reliability - vag twins
4. Features - elevate
5. Decent performance - astor

You have to go a segment lower (brezza, nexon) or a segment upper (Xuv700, harrier) for a good package.

[dicor]

Originally Posted by vasanthn21

Thanks for the very detailed comparison.

To make sense of all this information, I tried putting numbers against the information here.

Attachment 2506405

Considerations:

• Dimensions: To consider height, I have subtracted ground clearance from overall height to get the usable cabin height.

• Features: Have considered the "number" of features from the original post here (I am guessing these compare the high end variants and not the base variants). I have not added any weightage, hence it may not be relevant to all. For example: Ventilated seats get 1 point, and a car without it gets zero. But, ventilated seats may not be a priority for some.

• Safety: Where NCAP ratings are not available, I have assumed NCAP scores based on features (In such cases, cars with ADAS get 1 point higher than non-ADAS cars). Note that I have summed up the adult NCAP rating and child NCAP rating. If the NCAP rating for adults is 3, and child safety NCAP rating is 2, the score is 5.

• Power: Have scored based on Power to weight ratio. (BHP/Ton). Most values are picked from team BHP official review. Model considered is the petrol base version (If there are two versions of petrol including a turbo charged version, the non-turbo charged version is considered).

• Fuel Efficiency: FE figures of the manual petrol version is considered

• Price: Price of entry level petrol variant is considered. The difference in the highest variant could be significant and may impact the score.

• Exterior and Interior impressions are not considered as it is very subjective and difficult to compare and score.

After this exercise, I checked vehicle sales numbers for some cross-validation. In the July sales data (from team BHP - https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...-analysis.html (July 2023 : Indian Car Sales Figures & Analysis)), I see that Creta sells a lot more than Seltos. But, in my analysis, Seltos has a higher score. Maybe I should be considering the mid-variants (which is more practical from a purchase view point rather than the base variant).

Seeing the numbers side by side makes a perfect comparison possible and is always great.

I have different opinion on calculating some of criteria.

Dimensions - The way that dimension calculates cabin height is incorrect. The GC is the lowest hanging portion of the vehicle, not the cabin's height above the ground, so the calculation is incorrect.

Features vs. Price -If you are choosing a feature from the top variant, then the price for the top variant must also be chosen.

FE - I think you chose the strong hybrid version of the GV and Hyryder. This comparison is unjustified.

Power to weight ratio - +1 for computing the power to weight ratio. I propose adding a torque column as well. Why is Kushaq in yellow despite having the same rating as Taigun?