[Harry@88]

Hello Everyone!

My 2015 AT 2.5L Diesel 4*2 Fortuner has logged 2,00,000 kilometres, and I have been debating whether or not it is time to upgrade. Toyota is a mile-muncher, and the only factor preventing me from upgrading is the shuddering and braking system. In the past, I have tried numerous alternatives (including Brembo rotors with Brembo Brake pads), but I have never found a permanent solution. Last week, I travelled from Bangalore to Mangalore, and as a result of the intense shuddering and vibrations, I began to doubt my ability to go beyond 100 kilometers per hour. Considering that I have clocked*is 2L Kms, I've been contemplating my decision to seek an upgrade, which is why I'm seeking advise from Bhpians.*

Listed below are my current options

a) Keep the Fortuner for an another few years and maintain it by Skimming every 10,000 kilometres.

b) For the Upgrade path, my budget is 30 Lakhs for a pre-worshipped vehicle and up to 40L for a newer car (10 L loan). I have always kept in mind GTO's recommendation that spending above 30 L on a vehicle should be limited as much as possible. Below* are the few upgrade alternatives I have shortlisted.

My Requirements: An excellent driver's car, as I will be driving regularly. Bangalore city runs average between 50 and 100 kilometres per day and between 1500 and 2500 kilometres per Month. Here is where the Fortuner shines, since we can travel wherever without trouble. Comfortable 5- or 7-Seater Automatic with Adequate Safety is my highest priority. I am interested in both sedans and SUVs and plan to keep the vehicle for the next seven to ten years. Based on my intensive research in this forum, the following are the choices I have shortlisted.

a) Used Kodiaq 4x4 Diesel - I have seen one in Bangalore for 28 lakhs with 60,000 kilometers on the odometer. However, I am uncertain about SKODA's dependability, particularly its maintenance.

b) Used Fortuner - It is challenging to find nice AT models for 30 L in Bangalore

c) Used BMW 320 GT - Considering my budget, I expect 2016/2017 versions will be available, but I'm uncertain about the maintenance, particularly for models older than five years.

d) New Hyundai Tucson - Ticks most of the boxes (budget must be increased by 3Lakhs) and the initial assessment on this forum impressed me.

e) Used Toyota Camry - I haven't located one in Bangalore within my budget.

XUV 700 are unavailable owing to a lengthy waiting period, and Crysta somehow doesn't impress me on the driving.

Thank you!

[CEF_Beasts]

Wow, a 2.5L Fortuner is very rare! Congratulations on clocking 2Lakh kms.

a) Used Kodiaq 4x4 Diesel - I have seen one in Bangalore for 28 lakhs with 60,000 kilometers on the odometer. However, I am uncertain about SKODA's dependability, particularly its maintenance.

b) Used Fortuner - It is challenging to find nice AT models for 30 L in Bangalore

c) Used BMW 320 GT - Considering my budget, I expect 2016/2017 versions will be available, but I'm uncertain about the maintenance, particularly for models older than five years.

d) New Hyundai Tucson - Ticks most of the boxes (budget must be increased by 3Lakhs) and the initial assessment on this forum impressed me.

e) Used Toyota Camry - I haven't located one in Bangalore within my budget.

a.) Kodiaq has the space for 5 people but anything more will be tight. Also maintenance and if warranty is expired the car will be expensive to up-keep in the long run.

b.) A used Fortuner for 30L and even the Pre-facelifted model will be hard to find. If you do they will have already run 100-150,000 kms.

c.) A 3GT is a very versatile car in terms of many aspects especially space, BMW reliability is also great for the 20d engines. Extended warranty is a must though. If you find a good example get it checked at a BMW SC and decide.

d.) If you’ll be stretching for a new Tucson by 3L, I would recommend you stretch a little more and go for a new Fortuner.

e.) Camry Hybrid is a car which punches above its weight but is rare to find.

I would recommend you to get a new Fortuner 4X2 AT. This is the most logical upgrade to your existing Fortuner.

It has the space, the engine to keep you happy on the highways with 500Nm of torque, Toyota reliability, service and go-anywhere capability even with the 2WD because it has an Auto-LSD which is very useful!

Yes, I know it will be going beyond your budget by around 5-6 Lakhs, but if you’re going to keep it for 7-10 years, then the additional cash initially won’t matter much at the end…

[SideView]

Originally Posted by Harry@88

Hello Everyone!
Toyota is a mile-muncher, and the only factor preventing me from upgrading is the shuddering and braking system.

Slightly confused with your post. Isnt Toyota ASC able to root cause and fix this issue? What have they mentioned?

Or is this shuddering a widespread issue among fortuners? I highly doubt it, because if for such a critical thing such as braking is faulty for sure second hand market would not have high demand for fortuners.


The reason i say to get it fixed is, you can easily cover 3L kms (it only a 7 year old vehicle)with it and not worry about ASC/reliability related issues from other brands.

[asit.kulkarni93]

Most old school TCs and CVTs offer zero engine braking. They start coasting as soon as you let go off the throttle. Due to this, the brakes take a lot of beating. Excessive brake wear on crystas or fortuners isn't new. It's a common issue. If you do plan to retain the car, try engine braking when braking is predictable. If you do wish to upgrade, the Kodiaq is a decent option. Yes the upkeep is a lil high but totally worth it. Alternatively you can look at Tiguans too. Please skip on the Tucson. Given your high usage, stick to germans or Japanese. You can check out the pre facelift new gen fortuners too. Even if they have run 100-150k kms, it's a fortuner. It's built to last. If you want a change, Endeavour is a good option too.

[Harry@88]

Originally Posted by asit.kulkarni93

You can check out the pre facelift new gen fortuners too. Even if they have run 100-150k kms, it's a fortuner. It's built to last. If you want a change, Endeavour is a good option too.

Thank you very much! It looks that Fortuner and used Endeavour are priced pretty excessively, especially in Bangalore. Patience appears to be the key here, yet the dilemma persists if Toyota raises the price once again.

Originally Posted by SideView

The reason i say to get it fixed is, you can easily cover 3L kms (it only a 7 year old vehicle)with it and not worry about ASC/reliability related issues from other brands.

Agree as this would be one of the better options. According to Toyota ASC and as reported by asit.kulkarni93, this is a known issue with Type 2 Fortuners. Although a limited number of vehicles have been permanently repaired with aftermarket rotors, the problem remains on others. Unfortunately, this problem is getting more regular and widespread. If a lasting solution is in sight, I would love to pursue this option.

Originally Posted by CEF_Beasts

Yes, I know it will be going beyond your budget by around 5-6 Lakhs, but if you’re going to keep it for 7-10 years, then the additional cash initially won’t matter much at the end…

Many thanks CEF Beasts! This looks to be the most realistic alternative available, especially considering Toyota's quarterly price increases, I need to be fast in deciding :-). Would you recommend I also explore Alturas if I'm interested in long-term ownership? I'm getting various views around parts shortage and*maintenance. The only reason I am considering this is because of my budget.

[Phantom 510]

Keep your Fortuner ,get your issues sorted out and opt for a proper refurbishment. All modern diesel with dpf do have a probability of getting clogged up when driven in the city. You don't have to think twice before driving your fortuner in the chaotic crawling city traffic and that's a big peace of mind. Toyota's D-4d are robust and reliable. I think your Fortuner would do atleast half a million kms with your kind of care. However, if the urge to upgrade is strong then you're good to go with any of the options you've kept in your mind. I think stretching your budget a bit for a new Fortuner AT does makes sense as these vehicles hardly depreciate.

[KkVaidya]

Originally Posted by Harry@88

Last week, I travelled from Bangalore to Mangalore, and as a result of the intense shuddering and vibrations, I began to doubt my ability to go beyond 100 kilometers per hour. Considering that I have clocked*is 2L Kms, I've been contemplating my decision to seek an upgrade, which is why I'm seeking advise from Bhpians.*

The shuddering is due to worn out brake shoes or worn rear brake drums. Ask the SA to replace rear brake shoes along with brake drums.
You should be as good as new.

[powertrain]

Originally Posted by Harry@88

Hello Everyone!

My 2015 AT 2.5L Diesel 4*2 Fortuner has logged 2,00,000 kilometres, and I have been debating whether or not it is time to upgrade.



Thank you!

Hello Harry!

Congratulations on your 2L km run Fortuner!
Since you're someone who drives a lot & keeps your car for a long term, I say stick to the Japanese. All the other cars will not bring you the peace of mind that the Toyota offers.

Option 1- I say your Fortuner can easily do another 2L kms without breaking a sweat. Write a mail to Toyota (voc@toyota-kirloskar.co.in) informing them about your brake issue. Change whatever that needs to be changed, be it rotors, disks, pads and/or suspension. It'll cost you 1/100th of a new car.

Option 2 - Exchange this car for a current generation Fortuner. For Eg:- Just saw a 4x2 AT done 48k kms for 33L on carwale. I drive a 2022 Fortuner & the 2.8L engine is a gem. Don't fret if it's over a few lakhs more. Long term reliability can't be purchased later.

Option 3 - Close your eyes & get an Innova.

Happy Hunting!
Powertrain

[Durango Dude]

Sell it when you can get a terrific resale value. May be you can help a "budding politician" who may want a car to match his inflated ego! With the way things are going diesel may be only for transport vehicles in the near future and all private vehicles will either be petrol only, very expensive petrol hybrids or EV's. The "Sticker Shock" of owning a car is coming, very soon, where there will be no "performance" to speak of; fuel efficiency and running cost per km will be the moot points in owning a car. All thanks to our Gumment who are always in a tearing hurry to put the cart in front of the horse.

[Laidbackakki]

Hi, congratulations on your journey. Toyota's are meant to driven and you have done justice to that ofcourse its aided by their rock solid reliability.
Well let me add to your confusion (sorry if I really do).
1. As highlighted by you that you are going to explore the option of getting the braking issue fixed and retaining the car.
2. Go for new fortuner via exchange but again price hike is playing against this option as pointed out by you.
3. Now my suggestion is going to be Citroen C5. Won't suggest the Kodiaq as VAG are high maintenance post warranty. With new Citroen you can go for extended warranty and service packages and be good for 5 to 7 years. The diesel engine is really good to drive and you will enjoy the car as pointed out by couple reviews on this forum.

Regards and happy hunting!!!!

[vinaydatla]

Originally Posted by asit.kulkarni93

Please skip on the Tucson.

Why skip the Tucson? I was thinking of buying one so curios to know.

[asit.kulkarni93]

Originally Posted by vinaydatla

Why skip the Tucson? I was thinking of buying one so curios to know.

Hyundai in general has quality issues. The previous generation Tucson was also plagued with issues around the combination switch, steering rack, AC cooling coil.etc. These issues have been consistent with most Hyundais. Whatever features Hyundai offers, they come at a cost. The cost is such issues. Durability is a major concern.

[Harry@88]

Originally Posted by powertrain

Hello Harry!

Congratulations on your 2L km run Fortuner!
Since you're someone who drives a lot & keeps your car for a long term, I say stick to the Japanese. All the other cars will not bring you the peace of mind that the Toyota offers.

Thank you Powertrain! I have sent an email to Toyota and shall await their response on this. I had also been to Engineering Exponent (Bangalore) and seeking Jeyant's expert advise on this one as well.

Originally Posted by Laidbackakki

Hi, congratulations on your journey. Toyota's are meant to driven and you have done justice to that ofcourse its aided by their rock solid reliability.

Thank you @Laidbackakki! I will TD C5. Would you know how the rear seat comfort is ?

[Indraneil]

Originally Posted by Harry@88

Hello Everyone!

My 2015 AT 2.5L Diesel 4*2 Fortuner has logged 2,00,000 kilometres, and I have been debating whether or not it is time to upgrade. Toyota is a mile-muncher, and the only factor preventing me from upgrading is the shuddering and braking system. In the past, I have tried numerous alternatives (including Brembo rotors with Brembo Brake pads), but I have never found a permanent solution. Last week, I travelled from Bangalore to Mangalore, and as a result of the intense shuddering and vibrations, I began to doubt my ability to go beyond 100 kilometers per hour. Considering that I have clocked*is 2L Kms, I've been contemplating my decision to seek an upgrade, which is why I'm seeking advise from Bhpians.*

Listed below are my current options

a) Keep the Fortuner for an another few years and maintain it by Skimming every 10,000 kilometres.

b) For the Upgrade path, my budget is 30 Lakhs for a pre-worshipped vehicle and up to 40L for a newer car (10 L loan). I have always kept in mind GTO's recommendation that spending above 30 L on a vehicle should be limited as much as possible. Below* are the few upgrade alternatives I have shortlisted.

My Requirements: An excellent driver's car, as I will be driving regularly. Bangalore city runs average between 50 and 100 kilometres per day and between 1500 and 2500 kilometres per Month. Here is where the Fortuner shines, since we can travel wherever without trouble. Comfortable 5- or 7-Seater Automatic with Adequate Safety is my highest priority. I am interested in both sedans and SUVs and plan to keep the vehicle for the next seven to ten years. Based on my intensive research in this forum, the following are the choices I have shortlisted.

a) Used Kodiaq 4x4 Diesel - I have seen one in Bangalore for 28 lakhs with 60,000 kilometers on the odometer. However, I am uncertain about SKODA's dependability, particularly its maintenance.

b) Used Fortuner - It is challenging to find nice AT models for 30 L in Bangalore

c) Used BMW 320 GT - Considering my budget, I expect 2016/2017 versions will be available, but I'm uncertain about the maintenance, particularly for models older than five years.

d) New Hyundai Tucson - Ticks most of the boxes (budget must be increased by 3Lakhs) and the initial assessment on this forum impressed me.

e) Used Toyota Camry - I haven't located one in Bangalore within my budget.

XUV 700 are unavailable owing to a lengthy waiting period, and Crysta somehow doesn't impress me on the driving.

Thank you!

You can also consider the new Safari AT, Scorpio N(if waiting period is not insane and you can bear with it by retaining the Fortuner till the Scorp comes) or the Jeep Compass. Used endeavour could have been a nice option but you are planning to keep the vehicle for 7-10 years, and lord knows if spares would be available till then. Brakes are a vital functionality, don't retain your Fortuner if the problem can't be resolved completely.

[Harry@88]

Originally Posted by Indraneil

You can also consider the new Safari AT, Scorpio N(if waiting period is not insane and you can bear with it by retaining the Fortuner till the Scorp comes) or the Jeep Compass. Used endeavour could have been a nice option but you are planning to keep the vehicle for 7-10 years, and lord knows if spares would be available till then. Brakes are a vital functionality, don't retain your Fortuner if the problem can't be resolved completely.

Thank You, Indraneil! I did TD Safari AT yesterday (After a week long waiting). I was impressed by the car's space and comfort, however for some reason the car behaved like an AMT*in the*first gear throughout. The sales associate informed me that this is a frequent occurrence. I had a hunch that this was the case and that it was unique to that specific demo vehicle. I've been reading additional reviews on the Safari AT in this forum and will likely look for another TD (from a different dealership) in the next week.