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| Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp Same Situation for me in 2022, budget was 25 lacs and my search started with 1.) XL6 - dropped due to wife flatly refusing a Maruti Suzuki. 2.) XUV700 - dropped due to poor middle row. 3.) Creta & Alcazar - Just didn't consider it. 4.) Hector twins - horrible fuel economy for the Petrol AT & no Diesel AT. 5.) VW Taigun & Skoda Kushaq - poor interior space management, I need to push my seat to the max, to drive comfortably, then only a child can sit behind me. So dropped. 6.) Harrier - checked all the boxes, but something was amiss, and I found myself fatigued after a 20 min test drive (on the route I do my daily commute) 7.) Seltos - Surprisingly spacious, I don't need to push the seat right back, middle row is good, features are good. picked the diesel HTX AT. 2 years and 46k miles of smile on the highway and in the city. I choose the HTX as that gave me all and a bit more than the features I needed and got it for a little over 20 lacs on road. (Dunno what the current on road price is) Quote:
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| Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp Quote:
My pick will be the XUV700 which is a far safer car than the Hyundai and Kia, and has better highway manners than the Scorpio N. That the Mahindra diesel engine is by far the best of the lot of just icing on the cake. Do try the manual XUV700, it is surprisingly light and effortless. I find it better to drive than the automatic which tends to hold the lower gears too much (unnecessary noise and fuel consumption). | |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp Quote:
- to go for fully loaded top end variants - to go for an automatic, preferably TC or DCT - to go select a popular color - would tilt towards petrol unless the diesel variant is compelling (like XUV700) My choice would be Creta, Sonet and XUV700 in the same order provided a loaded variant is available in the budget. Also think about the Hyryder/GV strong hybrid variants. Last edited by ashis89 : 25th April 2024 at 11:14. | |
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| Car buying recommendations - Need advise from esteemed team bhpians Hi All, I am writing to get your opinions and advises on my dilemma which I am currently having while purchasing a new car. A bit about me: I am in late 30's with 2 kids and a wife (so 4 in total). Kids are quite young - 2 and 6 yrs old. My office is quite close to my current home i.e. less than 1 km and I would not be using the car to travel to office on a daily basis. Possibility of changing home due to increasing rent in the immediate future (1 year or less). New house would be at a distance of 50-55 kms round trip twice/thrice a week. We typically go out twice or thrice in a year covering distances of ~1000km/trip and maybe twice in a month going out for small trips - 100kms on a trip. Also I have plans of doing trips across India in my car once the kids grow up a bit and I can travel long distances with them. My wife doesn't drive and I would be the one sole driver who would be using it mostly. Dad could use it once in a while as well but it would be rare. I currently drive a Diesel Honda City 2014 model (mid variant). This was a reliable car for me for close to 9.5 yrs but due to me being in Delhi-NCR, have to sell it and get a new one. I love driving and would be taking on long trips in shortly. Budget: Budget for the car is max 35 lacs. I am working where we have option for car lease and I am planning to utilize the same while getting the vehicle. I have questions around the lease which I would like to get some advise around in the later section. Car's shortlisted: Jeep Compass - Took a short test drive. Looks solid from outside but when I sat inside, gave a feeling of a small car and not a SUV even though it is. Has some good features but I didn't like the car's pickup and for me handling of the car was a bit hard (could be due to test drive car not being serviced). Was a bit boring from my taste but I had heard good reviews, hence took the test drive. Test drive car was top end with 4*4. Not sure if I would ever use 4*4 but I was told by someone I know who has it, that it's better to have it than not have it. Harrier - When it was launched in India, I just feel in love with this car and always wanted to have it even though I could not afford it initially. Now when the time has come for me get a new one, it is in my budget and I test drove the top model (Adventure plus) and it was good. Though the engine is shared with Jeep Compass, I felt it had more power and more refinement in the Harrier than the Jeep Compass. Loved the features of the car especially the screens which are crisp and better looking than the XUV 700 or Jeep Compass. Features list is long and the people sitting in the second row have sufficient space and are comfortable. Loved the design of the car as this has been my first love always and loved the way it drive. Had heard about the initial lag but didn't really feel it. Dark edition looks amazing and is really the head turner each time I see it on the road. Have also heard about the Tata horror stories on the forum and am a bit scared of getting a Tata. Not too worried on this front as lease company would be getting a preferential treatment from the showroom and they would push for any issues that come in the car and would ensure that things are done faster and better compared to a someone who owns his own car and does all the dealings himself with the showroom. There we panel gaps as multiple people have mentioned but I was not concerned about it and the knee resting place which I know is an issue in Safari, I again was fine with it. Seats were good but I felt XUV 700 had better seat. XUV 700 - Initially when the car was launched it, I was not a big fan of the car design. It was a miss for me but since a few years have passed since the launch and now I have seen quite a few XUV 700's in my society, the design has grown on me. I now quite like it (not as much as Harrier's but it's a close second). I took a test drive of the car and felt it drives the best and has almost all the features which are there in Tata Harrier and has an added advantage of 2 additional seats which I know would be used very rarely but it's a good to have feature. It also has a AWD version which I would take if I book XUV700 which again is not great like a proper 4*4 but it's better than the FWD cars like Harrier. I know I would never had used the Compass's 4*4 to the extent it could be used but AWD, I think would come handy in multiple scenario's I have in my mind. Loved the sound of the music system and the screen's (Harrier's was better). Sunroof was really good (almost same as in Harrier). Drive modes are great and I loved the manual mode of XUV 700 AX7L compared to the paddle shifter's of Harrier's. Seats were good for long distance drive and ventilated seats was there which was missing from the previous version of the car and is really a blessing for hot summers we have in India. Not too much to complain in XUV except the worry due to overuse of sensors but I am assuming that it would have been sorted by now since it's there for more than 4 yrs now and was told by the sales guy that these issues were there initially but now it is sorted. DEF is there for all cars, so no point talking about it. Had some useful ADAS features like emergency braking and lane assist which are quite beneficial for my long highway trips which I would be doing. Also loved the beige interiors as they look so nice compared to Harrier's interior's. A few more points: Safety is most critical for me and hence only car's that are 5 star are chosen for consideration. Didn't like the design of Hycross, hence didn't consider it. Don't like Alcaraz as well. I love driving and hate traffic (which is I am assuming all of us have in common) hence chosen a automatic over a manual though I love manual's as they are more engaging than automatic's. Need ADAS as this would be useful in highways and I don't want to hit anything by accident. Looking for a Diesel car only as I love driving and somehow feel Petrol's don't match up with Diesel (only an opinion could be wrong also). 5 seater is good enough but 7 seater would be useful once in a while. My brother in law has a manual Scorpio N which I could use in case I get a 5 seater and need a 7 seater for a few days. It's a manual one and I have used it quite a few times and it's drives good. I am not too worried about the mileage as I wont drive too much and this is not a concern for me. Quotes from Lease company for the lease options. It's for 5 yrs and 90000 kms. Jeep Compass - With Maintenance- ~ INR 73000 & Without Maintenance- ~INR 69000 Tata Harrier - With Maintenance- ~ INR 63000 & Without Maintenance - ~ INR 59000 XUV 700 - With Maintenance- ~INR 60000 & Without Maintenance- ~INR 57000 Questions I need advise on: Requirement for 4*4. I am not in proper offroading. Would I ever be in a situation where I would need it? Would an AWD vehicle suffice for my requirements? This is one of the most important question for me to answer cos there are only very few real 4*4 and this changes my requirement completely.. Can I negotiate with the lease company on the monthly lease? There is no option for buying back the car from the lease company. With no buyback options, does lease still makes sense? I understand about the 30% tax savings + the save on the interest I would have paid to the bank on a loan which I definitely would have taken. Safety wise, both Harrier and XUV 700 are 5 star rated but is there something like both are almost equal in safety or is one way better than the other in terms of safety? The assumption that niggles in XUV700 are sorted with time. How true is this? and the same question for Harrier with the facelift version. Any other car I might have missed which could be my new car? Difference between with maintenance and without maintenance is close to 3000-4000/month and comes to close to 36000-48000/year which I believe is a bit on the higher side. Actual numbers would not be this high for sure. Would it make sense to take this with maintenance or without maintenance. In terms of reliability which would be the best product as I definitely would not want to be stranded in the middle of nowhere with nothing for miles on end. Any good accessories' members of the forum can recommend to go with the car? I would appreciate the member's for their advise and suggestions provided during my car buying journey. |
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I'd also urge you to look at the Hyundai Tucson Diesel, and the VW Tiguan (albeit petrol) given your requirements - both of these are on two ends of the spectrum too but worth considering just to have a look. Safety wise - you need to see the ncap reports and the ratings across various spheres to come to that conclusion - it could even differ depending on your passenger load / driving conditions. I'd skip the Compass - you aren't enamoured by it really and fair enough - it is now an old design, cramped, expensive, with average service and the odd niggle. The Safari too - looks brilliant, but reports of the facelift haven't been niggle free either. The XUV700 should score better on that front. Maintenance depends on your running and what all is included - if tyres and brake pads, etc. are included it could be somewhat reasonable - generally 30K-35K life for tyres & brake pads, and 60-65K for discs for city / hilly driving is what i've seen. But if your running is low then it may not make sense as annual service would be around 12-20K for these cars (Tiguan will be higher as every 3 yr have to change AWD oil, and every 4yr have to change DSG oil). In terms of reliability, best product is an Innova. None of these 3 are known for being trouble free, but I would expect the XUV700 being the easiest to live with due to number of service centers, popularity, and that they have been working on the niggles. Even if you include the Tucson and the Tiguan - the Tucson should be easier to live with as well but parts availability for both of these (and I reckon Compass) wouldn't be great for non-routine parts. | |
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| Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp Quote:
I am 6’1 and I travel with my spouse and a dog. I have a AX5 7 seater D AT and this SUV has been nothing but a bliss for me. Highway mannerisms are sorted, it’s comfortable and despite being an automatic fuel efficiency is respectable enough. At a cruising speed of 100-110 km/hr the revs are below 2,000 RPM and engine is stress free. It also takes on rough roads easily. The light steering and FSD suspension makes city drives an easy task too. I would say give it a test drive and see if it suits you because the waiting periods are comparatively lower and XUV is built well. Once you start driving this car, I have a feeling you would want to keep it for more than 2 years. Cheers ! Last edited by BleueNinja : 7th May 2024 at 04:41. | |
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Infractions: 0/1 (7) | Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp Quote:
OP's budget is at 20L, with max stretch till 22. Even XUV AX3 D AT retails at 23.61L, OTR Chennai ! Last edited by 07CR : 7th May 2024 at 11:13. | |
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| Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp
Taking the template from you ![]() I am actively searching for an SUV to replace my existing car. I am sharing my preferences below to seek help from experts and enthusiasts to zero in on one! Budget: 30L (10% more at the max) after all discounts and exchange Ownership mode: individual Vehicle type: SUV / C-SUV Current ride: S-Cross Zeta 1.3 Diesel - Nov 2015 Mfg with 55500kms run Fuel: Petrol Transmission: AT FE expectation: 18+ (on highways) Driving style: Cruising at 80-100 kmph MUST HAVE Features: ADAS, Cruise Control, Auto Climate Control, Android Auto (preferably wireless), Wireless charging, good boot space (as I don't like bags in the cabin or on the parcel tray and so on), etc. Variant: Most loaded (maybe top variant) Post-purchase expectations: Reliable / Fun to drive / Comfortable / Re-sale value / Acceptable after-sales experience Vehicle occupancy mode: 1-2 pax 90% of the time Models in mind: Creta - TD done - too compact, boot is small too XUV700 - Worth the wait? Also it is only with diesel engine? After sales is acceptable? Harrier - Wondering about after-sales! But still thinking of doing the TD Hycross - Top end may fit the most but bookings are halted at the moment! Invicto - Don't want Maruti (I know how it feels with a Maruti car, after driving a Fiat Linea) Grand Vitara - TD done - Don't want Maruti, somewhat space crunch, small boot is a problem Taigun—I saw the car, and there was a space crunch for sure. I wanted to do TD, but the salesperson did not see the value in me doing the TD—he just did not show up! Seltos - same engine as Creta; saw the car, but did not go for TD; should I? Finally - Tucson: Did 2 TDs (TD vehicles were Diesel, though I am considering Petrol Tucson) Liked the car very much, getting a good bargain (I think so - 2.5 lakh disc and 5 lakh exchange price) The overall deal is coming down to 31 (Signature Petrol AT variant) Is this a good deal? Is it due for a facelift launch? The current one is the 2022 (2023?) launched facelift version. Please help with any brand/model I may be missing! |
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| Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp Quote:
1. Harrier has only a diesel option (am guessing you mentioned you only prefer a petrol engine for the new purchase) 2. XUV 700 has both petrol and diesel options. The waiting periods have come down and I assume petrol versions may be delivered faster 3. Hycross & Invicto are the same vehicles but rebadged for Maruti. So you essentially get a Toyota build under Maruti badge 4. Among the full list, I doubt anything except a Hycross / Invicto gives you 18+ FE for a petrol automatic - so please choose wisely. | |
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| Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp Quote:
Based on recent personal experience => There is negligible (almost no) waiting time now for Mahindra cars (XUV/Scorpio). Most dealers have stock on hand ready, or can get you one in 4 weeks. If any dealer says otherwise, try a different Mahindra dealer. Both Petrol and Diesel options are available in XUV. Petrol is easier to get hands on immediately. Last edited by HarshVShrotriya : 27th June 2024 at 12:13. | |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp Quote:
1. It's not Innova. If the Innova was sold with these interiors and prices by any other manufacturer and any other name - there would probably be discounts running on the car. 2. Speaking of the image - Suzuki doesn't have a brand image in the premium segment. Their more expensive cars are generally a hard sell as most buyers have a similar perception as you 3. There is no true top end with the ottomans like you see with Innova and the black interiors look more drab compared to the brown leather on the Hycross. Coming to fuel economy - any non-hybrid petrol automatic SUV is going to be a gas guzzler. In Mumbai people get 5-8kmpl in city, and on highway trips 12-14kmpl. Heck, my S-Cross 1.6 gives 12-13 in city & 17-18kmpl on a mumbai-pune run so a bigger, heavier, petrol SUV is not going to be pocket friendly. If you are ok with these low fuel economy numbers, I would also ask you to look at the VW Tiguan TSi as there have been some decent deals going on with the new model expected soon. Fuel economy will be similar to tucson +/- 1kmpl depending how heavy footed you would be; it is advised to use 95 octane fuel on it; and maintenance will be higher as you would need to change DSG oil every 4 years and Haldex AWD oil every 3 years; and the ride is undeniably stiff : but there is no denying it is a fabulous car and coming from a Linea, S-Cross background : this car would have you grinning! Brilliant engine, quick gearbox, great visibility, handling that would shame sedans, brilliantly packaged with a better rear seat and front seat than it's rivals (in terms of support, ingress, egress, etc.), build that would impress you every time you close the door, etc. Alternately, if fuel economy matters - you have to choose between tucson diesel, XUV, and Harrier. Harrier looks smashing but the reliability is a hit or a miss - more often a miss. I would even consider picking up a pre-BS6 diesel Tucson (20L for an under extended warranty facelift example with low kms), or even a BMW X1/Kodiaq/Tiguan (around 25) and keep the rest of the money towards maintenance. Fuel economy in the diesels would be 8-11kmpl in city, and 15-18kmpl on highways. | |
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| Need Help Deciding My Next Car: XUV700 or Something Else? Hey folks, I’m in a bit of a dilemma and could really use some advice from all the experts and enthusiasts in the community. I’m looking to replace my Ford EcoSport diesel MT with a new ride, budget capped at 25 lakhs (that’s a stretch budget). My driving is mostly city-focused, but I do hit the highway about 3-4 times a month for ~400 km trips. We’re a family of 5, but when my sister and brother-in-law visit, we’re 7. While we could take out our second car (a hatchback), I’d love for all of us to be together in one vehicle. Now, here’s where things get tricky. Most “7-seaters” in this price range aren’t truly spacious in the 3rd row for adults. And I’m not a fan of the MUV look—Carens and similar models just don’t do it for me. So, I’m torn between the XUV700 and something like a Brezza or Venue. Creta and Seltos are also in the mix, but they feel like just slightly bigger 5-seaters, which doesn’t seem worth the extra 5-6 lakhs for me. Plus, they’re super common in my circle, and I’m looking for something a bit different. I’m really drawn to XUV700 for its looks and power, but I’ve read so many horror stories about Mahindra’s ASS, tech glitches, and issues with suspension and brake pads. Unfortunately, no one in my circle has firsthand experience with it, so I’m in the dark here. I am inclined to get a diesel automatic, but I’m stuck on whether to go for a 5-seater or a 7-seater. And if I do go for a 5-seater, is it worth splurging on something like the Creta, or should I stick to a sub-4m option? Would love to hear your thoughts, experiences, and suggestions—anything that could help me make a solid choice! |
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BHPian ![]() | Re: Need Help Deciding My Next Car: XUV700 or Something Else? My uncle recently upgraded from his 2015 XUV500 diesel manual to an XUV700 AX7 L Diesel AT. In his opinion, the power on tap is miles ahead and addicting as compared to the previous model. Need to enquire of him if he has faced any minor issues but no major issues so far. The XUV will surely prove to be a reliable companion. I would have suggested the Tata Safari facelift but since you are aiming at bulletproof reliability, it will take time for the niggles to get ironed out. So if you lean towards Safari, you might want to wait for a few more months in my opinion. The third row in the XUV is okay for short drives and I can confirm this with personal experience, but it is definitely not the best out there. In fact, I found the Ertiga to be more comfortable. Brezza, Venue, Nexon etc are not true blue SUV's and since you might require 7 seats some times, they don't make practical sense, and since you love the XUV700, I would recommend you to go ahead with it. The AX7 is starting at a lower price of 19.47 lakhs too right now. |
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| Re: Need Help Deciding My Next Car: XUV700 or Something Else? Check out the MG motors Windsor launching soon in september 2024. You may be pleasently surprised by the space on offer for the price. Best wishes. |
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