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| Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp Quote:
Ultimately went for Kia Carens top variant in Petrol Auto and happy with what I got in a 20L car. | |
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| Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp Quote:
2. Besides Hyundai and Kia, MG too seems to be headed in a similar direction, though they seem to be at least a bit more robust. Time will tell how well they hold out in our conditions. 3. The power of competition! A pity that some manufacturers have gone (GM/Chevrolet, Ford etc and some like Honda might), while others are cheapening things to stay competitive (VW group, Koreans). I would have said that with time, our market might value solid engineering over bling as it matures, but with NGT like diktats limiting usable life of cars, the viability of those too diminishes significantly. 4. One thing to bear in mind about Harrier+Safari complaints vs others (eg XUV700) is the number of vehicles sold; also ones which are a bit old, as older vehicles are more likely to have trouble. It is the failure-rate over a certain usage which is of more value (ideally with age weighed in), however one often casually forms an opinion based on the total bad-cases one comes across. 5. This sound very unfair, but I would not comment much before really knowing the case(s). Social media also gives the 'complainant' a lot of power to misrepresent how things actually happened, though that goes for all companies. 5b. Based on failure rate per km driven, Jeep might well have done that ages ago! While on one hand, I feel happy I didn't pay the cheque for the Compass, like I almost did, the other side also is that I would have had the new vehicle ages ago and would have been enjoying it. 6. What social media is, is also a tool to sully the reputation of competitors. One needs to filter what one reads, as it is typically full of half-truths, and also that only some aspects get attention. Also the inbuilt bias in such systems. Eg: When the MG Hector was pulled like a cart (by a Donkey?) it was big headlines. Yes, MG handled it oddly. However, the low failure rate of MG is hardly reported. 7. I didn't know the AX3 could cost as much. A typo? Another aspect: I often read about a 20 lakh car not having this or that feature. What one also needs to bear in mind that one needs to not just see the price of the car to demand features but the overall product one is getting at that price point. A nearly full size, reasonably sophisticated "SUV" with good engine specs, mulitilink independent suspension etc. at the prices they are available at also needs to be considered. It is still more of a VFM variant, than a premium one in context. Quote:
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Had I been going in for an AT, the knee-console issue would be much much easier to ignore and would've gone ahead. On an MT, it is a major concern. Quote:
![]() - Could you please share what went wrong with Acko. Though we have stuck with traditional providers, the option of the likes of Acko did pass my mind several times. ~~~~~ Variant Upgrades Quote:
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I very casually started with the Honda City as the benchmark pricing (considering it sold at a roughly similar price at the Optra a decade ago), so had about 14-15L OTR in mind. Saw mid level Seltos and entry level Hector at a bit higher. Though I wasn't a features guy and would be happier to pay for more 'car' so considered those. Eventually was onto the Compass and was looking at cars 1.5 times the one I started with! The difficult part is to draw that not-to-cross-line. ~~~~~~ A point about value of money and cars: What I was talking about was the steep rise in the past couple of years; a result of pent up demand and Covid-induced supply-chain issues affecting supply. Overall, when I convert the price I paid for the Optra Magnum in 2011 and adjust it for inflation, IIRC, it was very roughly about 17 lakhs. Practially the Optra Magnum was a mid variant (the lower one was discontinued just before that, so was the lower of the two on sale then). In about as much, or a bit more, one could get a mid level Hector (a while back though). In that limited sense, cars have become cheaper. ~~~~~~ Variant Configurations Sharing some thoughts As before in the post, one needs to keep the overall prospect in mind, that in vehicles like the XUV700 and Harrier+Safari, one is getting a lot of car for the money. So, one needs to bear that in mind than just the price of 20+. Further, inflation adjusted, as above, one is getting much more than in the past, I think (not studied this - might be wrong). What has also changed over the years is what we aspire and expect from a car. Back in 2011, the Optra Magnum I had was without airbags! No electric this or that. A simple Double-Din music system. It didn't even have a FE indication. That was (equavalent) of a mid-level variant of what used to be a D segment car a few years before I purchased (similar category as the Octavia, Civic, Corolla etc). No ABS or any electronic aids. Plain simple 'car' (and a lot of it!). Today, we expect much more; much much more. Ones with those expectations should really be looking at the higher models and their prices, and keep in mind that many who otherwise might not pay for that are getting a choice to have a better 'car' with lesser features. (Not talking about safety features, which was discussed in the Scorpio-N thread - details in the quoted thread a few posts above). I have a friend who was considering the City 4th gen, and then seriously considered the XUV700 MX variant, as like me, he too focuses more on the car than 'features'. All the above said, yes, I agree that like most businesses, car manufacturers too play the game of enticing a customer to consider their product seriously and then try to get them to pay more - it is happening with my purchase too! ~~~~~ Quote:
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| Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp Quote:
I am not even talking about clutch travel / hardness or visibility etc. | |
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| Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp Quote:
I still remember one of the prominent journalists comparing Optra Diesel to premium German sedans of its time - It was all about the engine. I do have to admit that I like XL6 for a lot of things, Its easier to drive than an Innova and still carry 6 in very good comfort, ventilated seats, very nice infotainment etc but the drive train is a cause for concern, I had an oops moment because I trusted the engine & transmission to do its job like any other AT would and it along with the traction control \ ESP had some surprises for me instead. Acko appears to be an escape artist, the claim process seemed to take forever and the customer care was not responsive. I still recommend insurance companies that have an actual office. My father had to visit one such office to get the claim through as insurance surveyors were overloaded due to floods, it was very straight forward process to meet someone face to face and ask for help. | |
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| Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp Quote:
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- I politely disagree. Since I didn't experience it in person I will side with the customer because I don't think anyone would be interested in going back and forth to Tata ASC just to tarnish their image. Also in all the cases I have read on the forum, TML hasn't even in a single case, issued a clarification or denounced the customer's claim. That's not a very difficult thing to do especially since they already exist on social media. My concern with TML isn't about the niggles/issues/quality lapses in their flagships but when their internal escalation matrix fails to address an issue and if the customer posts on social media/forums, things start to move and issues get resolved. That's not done for people like me who don't exist on such platforms or don't believe in dragging such issues to public notice. Some examples, I have linked the posts which mention the same to shorten the reads :
Apart from these the popular issue with Dada Motors Ludhiana (Dada Motors takes back defective Tata Safari; no replacement given even after 2 months). While I might not be convinced/agreeable to some parts of this ordeal which happened later but what transpired till the first two videos was enough for Tata Motors to sort out the issue without the paying customer bearing all the losses. Quote:
- True, such stunts may be legal but not very productive and IIRC MG had responded by filing a case ? They had the chance to address the concerns which were genuine(some issues with the AT IIRC) but they missed that and then went on the arrogance bandwagon. While I didn't follow it to a resolution but my take away was that MG could have handled it better. Quote:
Not a typo, 19.33 lakhs for the AX3 Petrol MT, on road Mysore(as per Carwale). Some accessories and 1 year extended warranty make it almost 20 lakhs. Quote:
Hence I agree, I was wrong but that feeling, although wrong comes from the innate nature that when I spend more money on my next car I would want it to have better features than my current one and some(like alloys) are just expected as default. Quote:
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| Nissan Qashqai and not Nissan X-Trail coming to India? Nissan Qashqai and not Nissan X-Trail coming to India?(Also some very preliminary thoughts on checking the Qashqai online) This is speculative, and the hypothesis might fall flat though. We'll soon know. Came across this article: New Nissan SUV spied in India before launch? (Published: October 14, 2022) It states: Quote:
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A few specs from the Australia site: Overall height: 1,625 Overall length: 4,425 Overall width: 1,835 Wheelbase: 2,665 mm Kerb Weight: 1,451 kg (UK site has: 1,331 - 1,356 kg) Engine capacity; 1,332 CC Max. torque, Nm / rpm: 250 / 1,600 - 3,750 Max. engine power, kW / rpm: 110 / 5,500 (147.5 BHP) Acceleration 0 - 100 km/h, seconds : 8.9 There are versions with the rear suspension as torsion beam (ie semi-independent) and also with multi-link (almost surely would be independent, as a solid-axle would not make much sense in such a car). This is such an apt size for the city. Just what I might find ideal, in case it is launched. I do have my doubts with the engine for my purpose, considering what I felt about the Nissan Kicks. The addition of mild-hybrid might make it better, but would come at a premium which might make the value proposition questionable. The UK site has mild hybrid versions. The power, torque and 0-100 is better in the Australia site, as I think they are confirming to a less strict pollution standard allowing for a different engine tune. Unlikely to be so, but what if Nissan tests waters with the CKD route, and if there is sufficient demand, starts producing it here! There is a gap of a sporty, spacious, solid and quality 5 seater at around the 20L. Could fill the space below what the outgoing Tucson filled (not diesel). Too much thought at this stage; let us get some more news ![]() Pictures: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Source: Spy-pics from MotorOctane; others (mainly) from the Nissan Qashqai Australian site. https://www.nissan.com.au/vehicles/c...n/qashqai.html @Mods: In case you'd like to have this post/speculation in another thread, please do let a this post also remain in this thread to continue the discussion around it. For the convenience or readers, will also post a very brief part on the X-Trail speculation thread. Link: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...d-india-2.html (2022 Nissan X-Trail spied in India) [Edit: posted there too at this link: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...ml#post5423267 (2022 Nissan X-Trail spied in India) ] ~~~~~~~~ PS: Folks, I will reply to the ongoing conversation soon. Hardly being able to write off late. The Qashqai prospect at a good price has gotten to me, considering how much praise I had for the Nissan Kicks. This seems something between the Kicks and the outgoing Tucson. Last edited by Poitive : 18th October 2022 at 05:30. Reason: Refinement, minor content, added link to post in the X-Trail speculation thread. | |
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| Re: Nissan Qashqai and not Nissan X-Trail coming to India?
Having seen the Quashqai(2015) in person I can confirm that the moment you look at it it screams Nissan's S-Cross ![]() Since the current gen uses the same platform this will be in direct competition to the Creta/Kushaq/HyRyder twins and I would suspect that's what Nissan's aiming for. They need to expand their network and for that they need a high volume car. Having bombed out of the low cost hatchback market they targeted the CSUV and post that this would seem like the optimal segment to target. But again its just my hypothesis. Launching a premium SUV could get them margins but not the numbers so I would suspect the X-Trail isn't coming. Not to forget that they had launched it at least a decade ago and pulled it out so that factor could also play in about launching a "flopped" model. As for premium they already have the the GTR in their catalogue and that hasn't helped much as expected. PS : As for the spy pics whats stopping them from doing a test of any international model, prospective or not, for this market or other similar ones where Nissan enjoys a much better position and reputation. A lot of other manufacturers do the same. Last edited by shancz : 18th October 2022 at 09:57. Reason: added ps |
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| Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp I have already posted in the Nissan Kicks thread that the Vertex Nissan, Sohna Road, Gurgaon dealership SA informed me that Nissan will be launching 2 new cars in Feb, 2023 (expected) in India- Qashqai and Ariya. They also have two big photographs of these two cars. Qashqai in blue which looks like a smaller Kicks and one copper/ bronze colour Ariya which is a Hybrid type. The SA couldn't inform any further details of these two models. |
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| Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp No need to guess, here comes the news : Nissan : Future Plans (Nissan X-Trail, Juke & Qashqai showcased in India). Let's see which of them eventually get launched. Last edited by shancz : 18th October 2022 at 14:40. Reason: link |
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| Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp Folks, have been rather inactive in on the forum for a while, as the whole topic of getting a new car is getting to me a bit. The below is a bit of a rant, mixed with emotions and logic, as one might have with friends. You just might want to skip the post. When I think of it with harsh logic, things are quite simple: choose the compromise and move along; pondering over issues is not worthwhile beyond a point. And by that logic, I would only need a few hours to decide and move on. Back in October 2021, I was supposed to get a Hector. The delay made me rethink and here we are over a year further on. Then, the back seat took a large part of the focus, as I had been driving lesser and was being driven more. Just before that, Covid too had changed things. Without getting into personal details, will just say that is has triggered a series of minor and some not-so-minor changes in life - some which are yet to unfold. This gets one into a web of 'what-if' like thoughts, due to the changes, and prolongs the decision. Further points of consideration - General:
(for ones who joined the thread later: all the below are for Diesel MT versions, as that is what I generally prefer) There are repeated questions in my head about the prudence of a buying a diesel vehicle in Delhi/NCR with it's 10 year rule, and especially how the BS4 ones were prevented from use recently. For poor reasons diesel vehicles which have been duly authorized and have paid taxes for use for the said periods have been put out of use due to politics and optics. The major reasons for pollution lie elsewhere, but not worth getting into details of it on this thread. MG Hector What I have really appreciated about this one is it has very few complaints from actual buyers. It has come across as the most trouble-free prospect. The service reviews, too, are good. No major automotive deal-breakers when seen from the head. Easy to drive, no ergonomic complaints (knee-console etc) Though the chrome, especially in the front is bothersome, overall I find the design quite palatable. I actually like the rear. Though this car is primarily my call, the family likes it's looks and finds it only second to the Compass. The chrome and looks issue is well addressed in the plus versions (though the extra spend is hard to justify). For my use, as envisaged a year or two ago, it was a good option. Most legroom and comfort in the second row. Excellent city ride. Generally aesthetic cabin with few loud elements, and a cohesive appeal. The screen did seem oddly large, but would be easy to get used to. The portrait orientation is ideal for maps. Lack of physical controls is an issue though. From the driver's seat, it simply feels okay. Okay at most things. Not exciting. Does not excite the driver in me in any way. This is hard for the heart to bear, despite the mind giving this one a near thumping yes. Near and not complete yes, as there seem to be bigger question marks about the future of Chinese companies in India being comfortable and long-term (and this one owned by the govt/PLA). That is what I generally envisage now, and what I hear from friends who know the subject better. My experience with the dealer and more importantly with the company too has not been pleasant. All this makes it a bit lesser palatable on the whole, as compared to earlier. Tata Harrier (/ Tata Safari ) This is the one that suits my sense of a car. It is the lowest one of the lot. Best height to track-width ratio making it inherently more stable than the others.Though a torsion beam, a very well sorted suspension, giving the independent rear suspensions a run for their money. It is amongst the dying breed which has a steering with some feel and feedback thanks to it's HPS (Hydraulic Power Steering). This is something I immensely value; even more so when I spend more time with EPS - it makes me yearn for an HPS. This is one car which connects one to the drive, while giving one confidence to do good speeds with safety, and in a sense is the essence of enjoyable driving for many, including me. The rear brakes being drum aren't good enough to match the overall setup, but newer versions (Jet?) have disc at the rear too. Makes this very hard to not buy. I am not worried about Tata's service (more on that on the reply to @shancz's post later sometime). What makes it hard to buy is the NVH which I found very bothersome in a piece used less than 10k kms, and the knee-console issue. Both are everyday irritants. If it was only only one of those two issues, I might well have been driving this by now. One tends to notice the steering wheel a lot, and how atrocious this one is also adds to things, but hey, I lived with the even more sorry-looking one on the Optra too! Not a deal breaker. Since the second row of this might be used a lot in the latter part of it's life, the lack of recline is missed; a poor back angle (for my use) also makes it worse. [For the front row, the twins have the easiest ingress-egress with a suitable H5 point and a good aperture (seat to top of door opening, and back to front, including for the feet)]. For this, and for the disc brakes, have considered the Safari too; also for a better relevant variants for the spend. It does not feel as exciting to drive, as the rear is heavier and the weight is higher up. Though not immensely, it is felt; takes out the special edge one feels in the Harrier somewhat. Further, the high hip point (seat height to road distance) on the second row is an issue making ingress-egress uncomfortable. Harrier (or even Safari) is the one the heart wants, but the mind would not budge. I can see myself smiling in this one; for a year or a bit. Then, can imagine scolding myself to get this one. Jeep Compass While I was most excited about this one, things are different now. I don't care too much for the Jeep badge. Purely on a car basis and driving experience, I think I would enjoy the Harrier more as it would need lesser of slowing down for uneven roads, would likely be more stable. The agility of the Jeep is way better though. In my case, what makes the Harrier a way better choice is the space. Harrier is way better suited to my frame. Both have the knee-console issue, but probably more livable in the Harrier without sacrificing the seat behind mine/driver's. It also does not come across as a premium product from the engineering aspect. With as few sold, the Compass thread makes the car look rather poor. The NVH was only a bit better than the Harrier, which hardly feels premium. (The Trailhawk didn't fare too well on the chassis-flex test either). Also that there is only one dealer who has dealerships in the whole of Delhi and surroundings, and it's sales make one wonder if the company will last the distance in India. I'd simply go for the Harrier over this, unless I need a car, like tomorrow, and this is the one that is available. Mahindra XUV700 I love the engine of this one. It is brilliant, and the only one of the lot which won't make me miss the Detroit Deisel engine in the Optra Magnum. In a sense, what made me move away from the Hector was the lack of connect and enjoyment factor. While this is better with a more powerful engine, and that it's height to width ratio is a tad better, where is sorely lacks is the sense of connect. Not sure if ones who have spent most of their driving years in an EPS even relate to that sort of a connect - one which a non powered steering or a good HPS provide. If you really do enjoy driving and like to connect to the car beyond it just being a mechanical device, drive a few thousand in a vehicle without an EPS, and you might look at driving a bit differently. Of course, many will miss the convenience a typical EPS provides, besides it usually being a tad quicker in the centre. So, this gives a more powerful engine than the Hector, somewhat more stable, harder ride, quicker to respond and way worse second row. Much poorer city ride. Add to that, all the niggles and issues on the XUV700 thread. (Somehow Mahindra gets away with much more than Tata). Issues with the suspension at city speeds was noticed in the initial TD. Repeated by many owners on the XUV700 thread. Then the football-in-the-boot issue, battery drain issues etc once again make me feel something said in the TD impression: that while the engine is excellent, the rest seems 75% worked out. Heck, I can't even sit stretched and straight in the front passenger seat! Then there is the question that this is the only one which has an engine over 2000 cc in the list. At one point, laws were considered disfavouring cars with diesel engines over 2000 cc. Considering how diesel is a favoured target, one wonders further at the prudence of a 2000 cc plus engine, when other choices are available. What is good that the really long TD I had taken in this, the NVH felt surprisingly good, and it was not tiring at all, with sitting and operational ergonomics from the driver's seat rather good (the seat pan etc were issues) If this came with a good, sorted HPS which gave me a good sense of connect with the car, I think I would have overlooked most things with relative ease. Scorpio N While I do like the stance and feeling of being in a car as tall as this, while amidst traffic, from a driving perspective, I think I prefer lower vehicles, and as said in the drive report I believe the XUV700 is better suited to those who will be driving on tarmac. If I leave the XUV700 out of the fray for some reason, this makes it's way in, as it has an sense of presence which has a positive feeling attached to it, and also that it was particularly silent. I am a bit more sensitive to sounds than the average person. It was quieter than the Harrier and Compass. . The Others Kia Seltos and Hyundai Creta: They have been quite off consideration for reasons shared after the first TDs. XUV300: I actually found this a well sorted car when I drove the petrol for a bit. Besides the money saving, I don't see it as being chosen over the XUV700 so have not made the effort for a proper TD and one of the diesel. The turbo petrol is enticing due to the extra years of use a petrol gets in Delhi. XUV400: This is an interesting case, as it takes care of the small-boot issue in the XUV300, but an electric which needs regular connection to the grid is not really on the cards for me. Had this not been an issue, I would certainly have looked at this one, even though I find the copper based styling very odd; very very odd. Nissan Kicks: Petrol engine didn't work well for me. Also, this car might be on the way out. Had it been with the 2 litre FIAT MJD, I would have seriously looked at it, despite it being suspiciously close to end of life, as I liked it as much; especially the sense of connect. VW and Skoda cars: Kushaq had issues with the cabin. Even though I love the deep yellow like colour on the Tiagun, haven't checked it. Slavia had headroom issues at the rear, and one should have checked the Virtus, but I haven't. Even though I have flirted with the idea of sedans again as the back has been better, I am afraid of going with this group. The recent Skoda issues thread and the huge number of complaints from owners (not just people bashing up a brand as happens for Tata) was huge and I simply don't feel the comfort for going for this brand unless there is something totally compelling. Is there? A friend suggested that if negotiated well (and he probably had some contacts) there might be a chance of getting an Octavia cheap @Kosfactor too had suggested that earlier. Considering that it is a petrol, is frugal, has requisite power etc, I did think about it. Spending a bit extra makes sense if it can last 15 years instead of 10. Overall, it too does not make enough sense: Much higher price, lower ingress-egress, expensive repairs, unreliable on the whole, ride probably similar to the Optra (paying as much and not getting much better), and then not having a manual transmission! I do love manual transmissions, especially for cars such as these, where one wants more control as they are made to be driven hard. (will share some more thoughts on MT in a subsequent post) Hyundai Tucson: Had seriously thought of the older/outgoing one for a bit. In many ways seems my kind of a car. A refined XUV700 with more city-friendly dimensions. But at a much higher price and without an MT, doesn't work for me. ~~~~~~ Have a few more thoughts on upcoming cars, especially about the Nissan Quashqai; also the new Toyota Innova-like Hybrid launched in Indonesia today. I shall add those in a subsequent post. There has also been a surprise test drive in the meantime, which I shall add later sometime, as it might be pretty long and would need some focused time from my end. Also, please if you have read this far, please share your thoughts. |
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Honestly, I was talking about the Taigun while gazing at the Virtus's silhouette from a distance ![]() Coming back to today while the sedan has an unmatched sway it is for you to decide how comfortable you would be, how it affects your back issues and will it aggravate the improvements ? Coming to your present, its relieving that you aren't pressed to compromise, take time to consider your needs, wants and priorities but as usual I will leave with a few thinking out loud suggestions ![]() - If your other car can take over the role of the Optra then why not position it as such and get a new car to fill its previous role ? I don't know what that car is so this point might appear nonsensical, ignore if so. - My takeaway from Covid is to do/get/ride/drive what you really want without overthinking about how it might pan out 10 years down the line. There's no guarantee what/who will be around 10 years from now. Like you had said earlier that you're buying much less than what you can afford so why overthink ? What's the worst that can happen ? In your case ask if the car will keep you happy for the next 5 years and think about the next 5 when you get there. So if a turbo diesel moves you then finalize that as a requirement. As for NCR rules the worst case I assume is that you have to fall back to the one car for 1 month in a year. You've managed for a year, you sure can manage for a month if needed. Although I hope better sense prevails about such illogical moves next year onwards. - Not sure if this helps but a friend went from an i10 to the XUV700. I had recommended the City to him but he said that the car was effortless to drive. He said he would buy such a car close to retirement but he wanted to feel the 200bhp with a MT and this was the time to get it. He went for a lower trim due to budget limitations but got his 200 bhp with an MT and that was all he wanted from the car. Point being finalize what do you want from the car and don't settle on those factors. On the others : - Nissan Quashqai etc : will see when it launches, too early to comment or even take them seriously - HyCross : still retains the "van like" feel which you didn't like about the Innova and its going to be expensive, IMHO. Will wait for your other TD reports to comment further on specific cars. Hope someone came close. OT : Sharing a video not about cars but general thought process behind the decisions or the indecisions we encounter. I have followed both these gentlemen since they started their careers,. Admiration and respect along with being in sync at a mental level over motorcycles is what I have to say about them. Courtesy to Providers: Last edited by shancz : 23rd November 2022 at 19:59. Reason: added v-link | ||||
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| Re: Choosing an SUV up to 22L | Seltos, Harrier / Safari, Hector Plus, Compass, XUV700, Kicks, Scorp Since I drive many different cars thanks to friends and family, in some cars some things stand out - for better or worse. Back in 2014 when I accidentally ended up taking a test drive of the 2013 model year Scorpio, I expected it to be rubbish (body roll, terrible ride and what not that I had heard about it) and was completely overwhelmed by how it drove. So don't worry about the choices you are going to make, a good vehicle will encourage you to go places and do things with it. As a fast and very demanding driver that I am, I suggest you find out if any XUV AWD AT is there ready stock against cancellations, buy it and go places with it. What an amazing driving machine it is. |
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![]() In the last year, my requirement and thought process changed too, with changing needs. My kids started driving and a small AT car is the need of the hour to help them hone their skills while navigating Bangalore traffic. So I started looking for a safe and small car and zeroed in on XUV 300 AMT and Nexon AMT given their small size and high safety ratings (Hyundai/Maruti/Kiger/Magnite etc. didn't meet the safety expectation. Honda doesn't have AT). Yet to get Nexon AMT test drive but found XUV 300 AMT to be barely livable. Also test drove Altroz DCA and was amazed by its smoothness. Wish Nexon gets that in upcoming facelift though chances are slim! So long story short, a small car is what I am looking at now after having booked XUV700 AT last year (cancelled it last month btw when I realized that in my zeal I had booked a diesel AT instead ![]() Coming back to your case, I think you should seriously evaluate XUV 300 (Petrol/Diesel) if you are open to a 5 seater MT. Both are excellent engines. Its safer than XUV 700. Built on Tivoli platform, comes with 7 airbags, wheelbase of 2600mm (Creta has 2610mm btw). It has the power to go anywhere and will be better to manoeuvre on hills as well. Heard some new launches could be announced in Jan.23 Auto Show. So will be a good idea to wait till then as well. | |
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