[FlankerFury]

Found this earlier today on Reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/indianbikes/s/UyichOpPj1

The updated 650's will be back on sale. May get Honda's e-clutch tech as an option.
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The 750 Hornet is powered by a 755cc parallel twin engine producing 90hp peak power and 75Nm of peak torque. Attaching the link to it's thread below.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/super...-unveiled.html (2023 Honda CB750 Hornet Unveiled)
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The CB1000 Hornet was recently unveiled at EICMA. It's powered by a detuned version of the Fireblade's engine, 999cc i4 producing 147hp peak power and about 105Nm of peak torque. Attaching it's thread below.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/super...-unveiled.html
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Now this one's interesting, the X-ADV is a maxi scooter that's styled like an adventure touring bike.


Image source:-https://www.thebikemarket.co.uk/honda/x-adv

It is powered by a 745cc parallel twin engine producing peak power of 58bhp and 70Nm of peak torque. Key highlights include
- 6spd DCT gearbox
- tubeless spoke rims (17in front and 15in rear)
- gets cruise control as standard
- gets 5 riding modes, Sport, Standard, Rain, Gravel and User

It won't really have any direct competition, the closest would be BMW's C400 maxi scooter and that's priced at ₹11.25 lakhs ex showroom.

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Since all of these will CBU, the pricing will be on the higher side to account for all the taxes and duties.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

This is true and has been confirmed by the Bangalore dealer as well.

Really excited for the CB1000 Hornet. Internationally it is cheaper than the Z900 and an equivalent pricing here would be 8.99 lakhs. Hoping to see a 9.99L sticker price with the usual Honda margins factored in.

X-ADV is an interesting entry - but is likely to see very less demand.

[Captain Slow]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

This is true and has been confirmed by the Bangalore dealer as well.

Really excited for the CB1000 Hornet. Internationally it is cheaper than the Z900 and an equivalent pricing here would be 8.99 lakhs. Hoping to see a 9.99L sticker price with the usual Honda margins factored in.

X-ADV is an interesting entry - but is likely to see very less demand.

Knowing how greedy Honda is I'm sure they will price it North of 12L ex-showroom.
The 2024 Z900 is priced at 9.38 ex showroom -The 2025 will surely cost at least 20-25K more! Also the USD - INR Drop is going to affect this big time. Last I checked, it was 84.49₹ for 1$ !

[b16h22]

Originally Posted by FlankerFury

Found this earlier today on Reddit.
Attachment 2689464
https://www.reddit.com/r/indianbikes/s/UyichOpPj1

The updated 650's will be back on sale. May get Honda's e-clutch tech as an option.

Hope they price the Hornet 750 sensibly. It is generally well received as a really fun & agile middleweight. It can be the perfect upgrade for a lot of 300-400 class buyers. But knowing Honda and the fact that T750 is 12L, not expecting the pricing to be sensible. And the fact that they are launching the 650R alongside, the pricing is going to be interesting.

[pratik_terni]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

This is true and has been confirmed by the Bangalore dealer as well.

Really excited for the CB1000 Hornet. Internationally it is cheaper than the Z900 and an equivalent pricing here would be 8.99 lakhs. Hoping to see a 9.99L sticker price with the usual Honda margins factored in.

X-ADV is an interesting entry - but is likely to see very less demand.

Hey CrAzY dRiVeR, when did they comfirm?
Asking as I had called them last week and they were absolutely clueless.

The CB650R was at 9.14L ex showroom just before getting discontinued.
I doubt if the CB1000 will be priced below Z900 as there are a lot of models and variants to be launched. Honda has to be careful in being greedy as well as make sure they space the models out.

The word "CBU" in the title does sound scary though.

[Srini76]

The X-Adv catches my fancy. I have always believed that a good sized maxi scooter has a potential in India (even like a 300/400 Twin), I am stating this purely from a highway perspective and if its in the say 8/9 lakh bracket I for sure and a few more, if not many might jump into the bandwagon for touring and casual weekend easy-rider type of rides. Add a few accessories to the mix maybe a tail-bag and its game on for me. Since they are projecting it as an adv maybe the accessories will come along too. Yes , the challenge is clearly that unless enough numbers are in it might not warrant local manufacture which may cause a blip in spares, happy about Honda reliability from my past experience but the CBR was not a CBU. Personally I am almost edging 50 and a this is a like a god-sent for keeping my touring on 2 wheels alive.

Missed the forza that would have been a good buy (Maybe a different class kind of being a pure'ish moto-scoot) Hoping for my personal need that more people are thinking like this, I have zilch idea on that and open to being corrected if this thought is borderline bizarre !

Srini

[100Kmphormore]

This is true and has been confirmed by the Bangalore dealer as well.

Really excited for the CB1000 Hornet. Internationally it is cheaper than the Z900 and an equivalent pricing here would be 8.99 lakhs. Hoping to see a 9.99L sticker price with the usual Honda margins factored in.

Yes, Pavan confirmed they are getting the CBR RRR too along with the Africa Twin and the Hornet sometime in March.

[ashwinbalachand]

Originally Posted by Srini76

The X-Adv catches my fancy. I have always believed that a good sized maxi scooter has a potential in India (even like a 300/400 Twin), I am stating this purely from a highway perspective and if its in the say 8/9 lakh bracket I for sure and a few more, if not many might jump into the bandwagon for touring and casual weekend easy-rider type of rides.

The X Adv will be close 11.5-12 on road.

[ashwinbalachand]

Originally Posted by pratik_terni

Hey CrAzY dRiVeR, when did they comfirm?
Asking as I had called them last week and they were absolutely clueless.

The CB650R was at 9.14L ex showroom just before getting discontinued.
I doubt if the CB1000 will be priced below Z900 as there are a lot of models and variants to be launched. Honda has to be careful in being greedy as well as make sure they space the models out.

The word "CBU" in the title does sound scary though.

CBU is the only option for Honda. CKD will disrupt the production line and they can't afford that disruption.

[Samarth 619]

Never thought I'd ever say this for a Honda, but CB1000 Hornet might just be a Value for Money Liter class. And if it’s anything like the older days, you could expect a lot of good acceleration.

750 Hornet has to be priced well, being a twin that it is.

X-Adv in my humble opinion, could meet its well deserved success in a 150-250cc single-cyl. avatar, for the vast majority of commuters who want a tough city+highway do it all scooter for the vast roads & off-roads of life.

Presently, the target group I see for this are, (a bit too) open-minded tourers, premium commuting professionals (maybe those without parking space for a car), celebrities looking for unique vehicles, etc. Still, they better price it well.

X-Adv has 2 foot positions for the rider:- a step board and a rear footpeg. Changing between these foot positions could bring huge comfort during long rides I think, what do you say guys?
Pillions have a third footpeg set, a foldable one, but it seems it's making them squat badly..

[b16h22]

Originally Posted by Samarth 619

X-Adv in my humble opinion, could meet its well deserved success in a 150-250cc single-cyl. avatar, for the vast majority of commuters who want a tough city+highway do it all scooter for the vast roads & off-roads of life.

Honda has the exact scooter you are describing. It is sold in a few Asian markets, called the ADV 160. It is liquid cooled like the Aerox.

[pratik_terni]

Originally Posted by ashwinbalachand

CBU is the only option for Honda. CKD will disrupt the production line and they can't afford that disruption.

Hey ashwinbalachand, can you please elaborate here? The Honda 650s were CKDs earlier right? So how would re-introducing them as CKD be an issue now?

[Samarth 619]

Originally Posted by b16h22

Honda has the exact scooter you are describing. It is sold in a few Asian markets, called the ADV 160. It is liquid cooled like the Aerox. Attachment 2690550

Yes, in some matters but, this doesn't look too adventure focused to me. I googled it and can't find a variant with spoke wheels.
Even rider has only a step board, the adventure-style footpeg is missing. (The other footpeg is pillion, I assume)

The scooter you showed seems like an Aerox 155 competitor. What intrigued me was this X-ADV itself.

[ashwinbalachand]

Originally Posted by pratik_terni

Hey ashwinbalachand, can you please elaborate here? The Honda 650s were CKDs earlier right? So how would re-introducing them as CKD be an issue now?

This was some 6 years back in 2018. After that, all the 650 Honda were CBU and not CKD! You are talking about 1 instance where they did CKD. They never did CKD after that.

CKD means they have to introduce this into the production line which involves disruption of the existing production line, a production line which has/is been very profitable for them!

No motorcycle manufacturer will do that for a bike that will probably sell 100 units in a year. CBU is the way for Honda for big bikes unless Honda sells several thousand CB 650 R / CBR 650 R. If they have not taken the CKD route for a bike like NX 500, then it is next to improbable they will do so for CB 650 twins!

[ashwinbalachand]

Originally Posted by b16h22

Hope they price the Hornet 750 sensibly. It is generally well received as a really fun & agile middleweight. It can be the perfect upgrade for a lot of 300-400 class buyers. But knowing Honda and the fact that T750 is 12L, not expecting the pricing to be sensible. And the fact that they are launching the 650R alongside, the pricing is going to be interesting.

My guess is the hornet will be 8L ex showroom and close to 10L on road, depending on where you stay.