[pcpranav]

Originally Posted by Red Liner

Something I found written online over at the Versys 650 Forum which I think makes some sense along side what you've been saying all along. So PEA is the golden rule.

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I just wonder, does it make sense to just run 99 Octane Fuel every once in a while to get the whole system sorted instead of all this additive nonsense? Yes, I get that 99 Fuel wont burn off existing crap in the fuel lines. So a good PEA based fuel system cleaner every 5,000 odd kms might make sense.

Hi Ramana,


just in time. just 2-3 days back I read your posts, especially about dirty TB and LiquiMoly stuff. Now surely my V650 is very less ridden, however I recently added a bit of LM-FIC and even tried STP Octane Booster (orange bottle), and mostly the fuel I add is 'premium' one (not the 97!). Soon I would do a long stretch to try gauging effect of these additives.

Now about PEA, few days back I was reading an came across : https://www.goldeagle.com/tips-tools...dditive-works/ : which say PEA is top of line fuel additive.

So, where to get this PEA - simple, Yamalube PEA Carbon Cleaner at any Yamaha SVC. Last weekend I went to my local Yamaha SVC and OTC bought this bottle, not sure when I would use. The guy I met there wasn't fully sure of which parts it would clean, but kinda denied any cleaning of injectors by this liquid, kept saying "cleans carbon.... stuff goes till the head..."! and assured positive results in mostly any bike. Moreso, for cleaning the injectors (Yamaha bikes) they said having some special instrument.


Attached picture of bottle, description says cleaning of various parts of fuel system.



what is your comment ?

PS: you are missed in VIR :-)

regards,
Pranav

[Red Liner]

Originally Posted by pcpranav

So, where to get this PEA - simple, Yamalube PEA Carbon Cleaner at any Yamaha SVC.

what is your comment ?

PS: you are missed in VIR :-)

regards,
Pranav

Hey Pranav Bhai,

Great to hear from you man.

Wow, this is an amazing find. Note to self: always check the Yamaha India catalogue first!

The only issue is the bottle does not seem to list out the ingredients and therefore the % of PEA in this solution. The top of the line good stuff contains about 30-50% PEA (Gumout Regane, Redline S1IL). Are you able to see the ingredient mix on the bottle anywhere?

That said, it does say PEA based, so I expect PEA to be the major ingredient in this. Secondly, it is being sold by Yamaha officially to be used in their service network under their own branding and manufactured for Yamaha globally. So this probably puts to rest the debate of whether a PEA based additive (30-50%) is good or not for our engines and fuel lines. If it was bad and not recommended for use, Yamaha will not be manufacturing it and selling it for their own engines. I hope to trust Yammie that much.

I'll step out and try and get a bottle myself sometime. Instructions for use are also spot on - empty the entire bottle with the least amount of fuel in your engine.

All the other STP, Liquimoly stuff is all just marketing junk and snake oil. Can't believe we have a massive thread running on this topic and nobody's discussed this properly yet.

Always feel free to PM me on the phone bhai, I am in touch with some of the folks from there on a daily basis. Hope you're having good times with the TFort.

[pcpranav]

Originally Posted by Red Liner

Instructions for use are also spot on - empty the entire bottle with the least amount of fuel in your engine.

I did google for a while on this product, didn't get details of exact ingredients. Bottle doesn't say much.

Some biker blogs do mention its usage to get smoother ride quality. My simple logic: even if PEA is lesser %, this product isn't that costly to try (Rs.160), can give few doses, hahaha!

In my brief talks with that SVC guy, he said 'minimum' 2 liter petrol in tank is needed when you put this additive. I specifically asked if petrol is more like 5-10 ltr, he casually said its OK too. So with the PEA % unknown, it would be safe to try in 5-7 liters of petrol tank ? Again, you are Guru to know all this.

On a side note, few months back at the same Y-SVC I purchased the Yamalube Chain Lube bottle (OTC), and when at home read the bottle - was made my Motul (no comments!) and just rebranded by Y! Actually I was searching for the famous Y-white lube to try. :-)

[Red Liner]

Originally Posted by pcpranav

I did google for a while on this product, didn't get details of exact ingredients. Bottle doesn't say much.

Some biker blogs do mention its usage to get smoother ride quality. My simple logic: even if PEA is lesser %, this product isn't that costly to try (Rs.160), can give few doses, hahaha!

It does say only PEA + Petroleum solvents. So that hopefully means, it contains no other extra unnecessary additives. I will give it a shot too after a few thousand kms. Its very cheap for sure. 2 litres of petrol in our Versys tank is about a 50km range - perfect. That will allow the PEA to go in first into the combustion chamber before you refuel again. If you add too much fuel, it gets diluted and the effectiveness will be lost.

There is a Japanese made equivalent as well available online. Hope the Indian made stuff is not less in quality. PEA is expensive, so I hope Yamaha put a good % of PEA in this for the price.



Was the Yamalube chain lube cheaper than Motul?

I like Yamalube products, they are cost effective and since sold by Yamaha, less marketing hogwash around there. I have generally seen Yamalube products get rave reviews on forums around the world.

[ku69rd]

Originally Posted by Red Liner

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Was the Yamalube chain lube cheaper than Motul?

Hi Ramana,
Thought the Motul combo was the best in market, no is it?
Did try the 3M was not actually impressed with their lubricant but their cleaning spray was good.
Need to pick up one kit for the twin since the old ones have gone dry.

[Red Liner]

Originally Posted by ku69rd

Hi Ramana,
Thought the Motul combo was the best in market, no is it?
Did try the 3M was not actually impressed with their lubricant but their cleaning spray was good.
Need to pick up one kit for the twin since the old ones have gone dry.

The best is 80w90 Gear Oil. Honestly.

Don't believe me, have a look at what DID chains says on their chain packaging:



Just buy some and keep it in a small bottle with you. Apply when needed. Use regular WD40 to clean all the muck every 500 kms (also protects chain from rust and is a mild lubricant).

Image credit: Raghuzzz

[ku69rd]

Lovely, Do have WD40 brand new which is lying unused and will use it to clean.
Will get the Oil Can and load it with some 80W90 Oil and give it a try.

Thank you shall revert with my feedback. Sunday is the time since no rides this weekend.

[pcpranav]

Originally Posted by ku69rd

Hi Ramana,
Thought the Motul combo was the best in market, no is it?
Did try the 3M was not actually impressed with their lubricant but their cleaning spray was good.
Need to pick up one kit for the twin since the old ones have gone dry.

Originally Posted by Red Liner

The best is 80w90 Gear Oil. Honestly.

chain cleaner & lubricant is a serious but quite a routine funny topic in our chat groups!! :-)

I personally believe cheap & best cleaner is Kerosene and Diesel, both well-almost at same band of hydrocarbon chain (hey, Im miles away from chemistry!). Im unable to source Kerosene these days, will again try to source from any domestic helper.

And cheap & best lubricant is as rightly said gear oil 80w90. I recently tried mixture of EP90 + EP140 oils, and lightly applied on a clean chain. It seems to be doing fine, and mostly this weekend I would have a thorough inspection, and a cleanup as well.

Motul lube is very sticky, attracts a lot of dust. The other few lubes I have tried, not in any order:
* Putoline Tech Chain Ceramic: looks white - good
* Rolon (green bottle) : looks transparent - not bad
* Rolon (white bottle) : looks white - good
* Maxima Chain Wax : looks yellowish - good
* STP : looks transparent with a bluish tinge when spraying - good
* TVS TruSpray : just got a small bottle, yet to try.
* Tribocor TC40 Lube: not personally used, but heard good from few riders

Talking about the "white" ones (Rolon/Putoline) - a white chain looks kool, and heard good reviews for riders done long distances! Once the material dries-up, it forms like a cake - which maybe good to protect the exterior of chain, BUT when trying to clean it takes quite more effort rubbing off. So, Im bit skeptical that white cake maybe pushed inside and being grinded along with muck ??

regards,

[Red Liner]

The problem with kerosene is it is a known carcinogenic and has been banned to use in most mechanic work spaces that have safety regulations. It invariably gets on you and the vapour is not good to inhale.

After having dabbled with it for a while to clean the chain, i just find wd40 in a bottle much more convenient to spray and go. Since it is also a mild lubricant, i dont have to worry about drying the chain and other bricks and bats.

All in all, anything that cuts down my maintenance time, am all for it.

And lastly why not go with what the chain manufacturer says to use? He doesn't make any money from suggesting 90 gear oil, and if he says thats the best, then that is the best - notwithstanding whatever marketing hype is thrown at you by people who sell chain waxes on your group

[Motard_Blr]

Kerosene, diesel and the volatile oil in wd40, which is probably naphtha, are all petroleum distillates. Exposure to these to some extent is unavoidable. For example, you might inhale a lot more petroleum vapour while refueling at a petrol bunk than you might cleaning your bike's chain with kerosene.

So the only thing that is possible is limiting exposure by using common sense. For example, wearing oil-resistant nitrile gloves to avoid skin contact, working in a well ventilated area to reduce inhalation, etc.

My chain cleaning routine is to spray diesel on the chain from a spray bottle and then scrub lightly with a toothbrush. Then I wipe the chain with a clean rag to remove any remaining muck and soak up excess diesel. After this I apply gear oil and spread it with a toothbrush. The end result is a clean, quiet chain that stays pretty quiet and clean for at least 300 - 400 km.

I have to admit that aerosol spray cleaners and lubes are the most convenient but they are expensive and the lubes don't necessarily work all that well.

[Red Liner]

This was a route to Manjoor & Mulli I had done last year, but I was just passing through. I made a mental note of the homestay there and decided to return.

That return happened over the weekend that just passed us. Onward route was via Mysore and Masinagudi. We (a Dominar and a Versys) wanted to ride via the Upper Bhavani area, but what do you know - the whole place has been shut down after the forest fires in TN last year when 22 trekkers perished.

For our journey back, we rode down to Mulli which is characterised by 43 tight switch backs through a forest reserve. Further on, we decided to ride Mulli-Mettupalyam-Sathy-Mettur-Mecheri-Thoppur. So right upto Thoppur, we were on the back roads and they were a delight! These big highways have become an absolute chore and makes riding seem like work!

The good thing about riding with a small tight knit group is, you get to be a bit more adventurous to explore new routes because there are probably less naysayers. We've all experienced it. My mate who joined me totally left it to me to decide our routes, and therefore we really had a good time!

Enough talk - onto the pictures!

The steeds grazing around the greens.


An awesome dirt trail on the left of our stay on the adjacent hill. If my bike was lighter and cheaper, sure as hell would have tried going up there.


The view upfront. Tea!


Thunder shower approaches! Luckily we beat this rain by an hour, else would have seen 2 very drenched fellows pottering around.


More of a cloud burst really. Insane lightning and thunder.


Ah. What better way to enjoy the rains in the hills than like so. Aao, betho, khao!


Refreshed!






Lip smacking roads. You could eat off it.




Switchback special stage for the next morning!




Yup, that's how wide our grins were too!


The skies never cease to amaze




Found this little guy running around after the cloud burst. Freaking mad. You know, in places like these there is just no chance you're gonna have your phone up your nose when you're walking around. if you do, you're dead.














Miles to go before I sleep.

[Red Liner]

Last week was a ride to Puri. This was a ride long in the making for me - almost from 2017 itself. Somehow this was when it actually happened.

Three of us on three Versys 650's did this ride. We took 6 days in total.



Day 1: Bangalore-Vijayawada (700k)
Day 2: Vijayawada-Puri (700k)
Day 3: Puri
Day 4: Puri
Day 5: Puri-Vizag (450k)
Day 6: Vizag-Bangalore (1100k)

Roads in Andhra were characterised by arrow straight roads and insanely huge flyovers, the likes of which I have not seen anywhere else on my road trips in India.











The food in Puri though it looked appetising, was completely unedible even in the best restaurants or shops (tripadvisor, google, food blogs what not). Chennapoda was good at one particular non descript shop which I tracked down via a food blog. The Khaja was ridiculously horrible (to my taste buds atleast). People around us were buying it to go home by the ton.



We spent one entire evening frolicking at Chandrabhaga Beach all by ourselves before venturing to the Sun temple and the light show later that night. The light show beyond a doubt was the star of the night.









The next day was exciting - not because we were leaving - but because we'll be on a ferry across Chilika Lake!



And finally some pictures to capture the ride back home.

The ride back from Vizag to Bangalore was done in record time. A good push in the afternoon ensured we clocked 1100 kms starting at 4.30 am in the morning and I was smack back in my bedroom at 10 PM in the night including regular stops for hydration (it was extremely hot all the way up and down) and food. All this inspite of the Sunday return Tirupati traffic, as well as the godforsaken diversions at Chitoor. That route is off my books for the whole of this year.

This return leg is the most I have done in a single day and is a new benchmark in terms of what my body can do. The last longest one was towards Kollur Mookambika and back in a day which was closer to 1000 kms.

[sunilch]

Originally Posted by Red Liner

Last week was a ride to Puri. This was a ride long in the making for me - almost from 2017 itself. Somehow this was when it actually happened.

Nice trip Red Liner. How is the weather there these days? I am planning a similar long distance trip but worried about the heat.


-Sunil

[Red Liner]

Originally Posted by sunilch

Nice trip Red Liner. How is the weather there these days? I am planning a similar long distance trip but worried about the heat.


-Sunil

DONT GO.

Its way too hot, and sultry as well. Its just not worth the hassle. Just netflix and chill at home

[Red Liner]

I have now decided to part ways with the Versys 650. I have clocked close to 56000 kms, but i dare say the bike starts, runs, and handles better than those that have done less than half the mileage. Goes to show that timely maintenance with an eye on perfection will ensure your automobile stays true to its pedigree.

I have no qualms to comfortably complete 1 lakh kms on this steed, but the itch to try something new cannot be calmed.

I will take the summer season to decide what will replace her in the garage.

http://classifieds.team-bhp.com/buy-...i/Versys.html/