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Originally Posted by man_of_steel Exactly why I found the review useful because I am one of the target audience who has little or no experience with any "big" bikes. |
Look at it this way bud. You are just getting your feet wet with something you have no prior experience of. Say ........ the stock market. Whom would you consult? A newbie like yourself or someone who has crunched numbers successfully all of their lives?
Your "newbie" status vis a vis riding multi cylinder bikes will be short lived once you have owned it. The "from the heart" stuff related to initial euphoria of purchasing a new machine will die down after sometime
Not questioning why you liked the review but simply putting my point across for why I felt the review felt incomplete and not very thorough
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Originally Posted by man_of_steel Of course anybody can compare the specs and be objective. But I like to read reviews which explains how the rider felt on a bike rather than how the manufacturer intended the bike to be felt. |
Objectivity is not limited to specs and misc. numbers. What you need is objectivity whilst describing the nature of the beast. What shortcomings of the motorcycle did you come across with that review? I love it when the "seasoned" reviewers can talk (for example) confidently about things like chasis flex; how the suspension is set up (rebound and damping) etc. I for one appreciate that level of detail
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Originally Posted by man_of_steel Agreed, but what is the point in comparing it against models that are not at all available for us |
Here's the thing. The bikes that the CBR is usually compared to (some of those listed by me in the previous post); have beaten it hollow in every shootout. AND; the Honda is the latest kid on the block while others have been around for a while. They still hand the Honda its rear end back in almost every parameter. This is not a bike that IMO deserves a hefty price tag and is treated the world over as an average product. Not an object of lust for me; just saying
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Originally Posted by ebonho What is respectably fast for firangs is fast enough to kill yourself very quickly for us. |
Yes sir! Agreed
Similar power to weight ratios and the Ninja actually has a better torque figures; that too at a lower RPM
I am just struggling as to where this motorcycle fits in?
Sports tourer: You have the very able Ninja 650 here; in a naked form if you so please. Its silent and shy demeanor can be easily transormed with a whole host of slip ons readily available (Not that the CBR is a screamer either). Excellent torque; more speed than I want to ever go touring on, takes a pillion with ease. Down point - the handlebar can make the rider feel sort of "disconnected" with the front end. That said; it can be easily remedied by a set of aftermarket clip ons. Also, its is recommended that one upgrades the brakes. Lack of ABS is another put off
Track machine: Low pegs, non adjustable suspension (rear can be adjusted, but for preload only), Single "banana" seat - not the most ideal whilst trying to hang off
Not trying to diss anyone who is looking at this motorcycle as their potential next. I cant see where it fits in the grand scheme of things; thats all. IMO; someone who wants to tick fairing, sportbike & inline 4 from their bucket list, without investing in a litre bike will be going for this. Of course; stats are one thing and maybe I have a completely different perspective post riding one. But as of today; this is my opinion
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Originally Posted by ebonho And personally I find the bike very nice looking. Nothing stands out to sour the impression. |
Never said its a bad looking bike. Looks nice. Doesnt say "CBR" at the first glance though. That front end is to be blamed IMO
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Originally Posted by Nithesh_M Been at the 650F forums for almost 2 years now |
Time well spent sir! Wonderfully detailed
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Originally Posted by niks_devil666 Lack of experience is actually riding fz1 day in day out for more than a year (say 10000+ kms) before the other multi cylinder motorcycles he owned. . |
Too bad it doesnt translate as such in the penmanship
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Originally Posted by niks_devil666 The review is what aam junta would read and understand and not for those who are looking out for a drag stats between n650/sv650/cbr650 and top speeds and stuff. That's what I felt after reading the review. Usability and practical point of view is very important when one decides to buy a big bike. |
What usability and practical bits were you able to infer from this review? I am not asking for drag stats or top speed and "stuff". Does the review tell me:
- How will it deal with
our road conditions
- How will it perform in Indian summers during stop go traffic
- At least in the UK, where he reviewed the bike; what all accessories were available and how were they priced
- How easy / difficult is to to tie down luggage
- Again, going by mutiple reviews (confirmed by Nitesh above) the engine is not typically "Honda smooth" and you can feel some vibes as the revs climb. Would have been nice to see his views on the topic (along with reports of "false shifts")
He speaks of easily achieving "extreme lean angles with ease". Really? The world; which has had this bike to thrash around for a while now, is screaming itself hoarse that the footpegs grind down at very average leans and cornering clearance is compromised to make way for an easy riding position
If its just another review in firang land; there are many better ones that I can read; & have read. I would expect the above queries to be answered in a true blue desi review. Most of them; if not all
I can understand you are defending the creation of someone who may be a dear friend; or at least someone you know well but lets be reasonable here. Honest feedback will only make him better at this. False praise will get him nowhere
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Originally Posted by TheCelestial I know the reviewer and you can trust me there is no lack of big bike riding experience there. However, I do agree with the first point the review seems very goody-goody and would have liked more "pro-con" segmentation. Also, would have liked the review to be more detail oriented |
Agree with you. Its nice that he has all that experience riding big bikes but probabaly should have put in more time and thought while compiling the article. Hope his next one is absolutely cracking!!