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Originally Posted by Nithesh_M Its illegal to replicate somebody else's product in several international markets. In China though the local laws are pro replica manufacturers and don't pay heed to protests by actual manufacturers. |
Probably a discussion for another time & another thread.
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Thanks for sharing, you learn something new everyday. With prices that arent rock bottom enough to overlook their origins, I wonder how many bikes they actually will sell per dealer. Rs 50K for a scooter & 95K for a 150 cc motorcycle are roughly what you would pay for a better engineered motorcycle its established competitors.
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Originally Posted by Nithesh_M That "fix" though is well over a $1000 and puts it in the same ballpark as the naked CB650F. I'm assuming you are referring to the suspension pogo issues plaguing both bikes with riders weighing over 180lbs with gear? Both the bikes are praised for the torquey engines, its the frame and suspension bits where they were let down as is the consensus with the MT/FZ ownership forums. |
Ive read about fixes that are more in the $ 1500 to 3000 range to address some of the suspension issues & other small niggles. Many people seem to be opting for the cheaper Yamahas after accounting for the money (and time) to address these instead of buying a more refined / finished / niggle free / pick your word for it Triumph Street Triple that will cost the same or more. Right bike, right price at what most wouldve said was not the best time to launch two new bikes.
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Originally Posted by Nithesh_M They quit the US car sales 3 years ago and have had to re launch old motorcycles in new clothes with a hefty discount to keep their ship afloat. Its viewed as a desperate move to prolong the company's future till a point where their GP return will help them develop an all new litre bike which will act as a new Halo product. There's a good $2-3k discount on the Suzukis wrt competition and with the newer litre bikes hovering in the mid $20s, that difference goes all the way up to $11k. |
Circumstances might have forced Suzuki's hand in this case but that doesnt mean that their bikes arent worthy competitors in today's market. Suzuki's other new naked bike - the GSX S1000 is based on the K5 engine. I happened to be watching the PowerDrift review of the bike today evening & they said its a better bike than the Kawasaki Z1000. Older proving to be better in this case for the reviewer. The Suzuki GSX S1000 ABS is $ 10,499 & the Z1000 ABS is $ 11,999 and the Suzuki is lower priced in India as well. In UK, the GSX S1000 is 8,999, the Z1000 is 9,499, Speed Triple is 9,799, CBR1000R is 9,999 and the S1000R is 10,200 (all in pounds and taken from
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/f...00-the-rivals/).
If you were to run a volume business, think about which strategy makes the least sense
1. Reuse some existing content -> Better offering & Lower price than competitors (eg Suzuki GSX S1000)
2. Build new content -> Aggressive on price & shake up the market (eg Yamaha twins) & rake in the moolah
3. Build new content -> Rest on your badge name, charge a premium & be happy with piddling sales (Honda CBR 650)
Point 3 works incredibly well if you are run Ferrari and exclusivity sells. Not when you want to push a mass market mid sized bike globally.
Also, new litre class bikes arent in the mid $20s - the 2015 R1 is listed at $ 16,490, CBR1000RR at $ 13,999, Kawasaki ZX10R at $ 14,299 and the Suzuki GSX R1000 at $ 13,899. If I add the non Japanese options, the BMW S1000RR is $ 13,950 and the Aprilia RSV4R APRC ABS is $ 15,499 (all prices are MSRP taken from manufacturer websites in US). Of course, dealer fees, documentation etc add up the OTD number and applies to all bikes but the difference is not $ 11,000.