[dustom_99]

Govt specifies norms for vehicle testing and they are same for all manufacturers.
Its not that Yamaha /RE can quote whatever spec they want to put forward.
Din standard for poweroutput of an IC engine specifies the exact location (Flywheel/crank shaft(in case of engines w/o flywheel) ,it also specifies that power produced is to be measured without coupling with gearbox and clutch. All other support systems must be coupled and must be drawing rated power from engine at the time of measurement such as ALT,Cooling system ,cam drive etc.
IS system for automotive testing follows DIn closely and usually specifies exact lines mentioned in DIN

[COUGAR]

Originally Posted by IQBAL VEERJI

All said and done .but it is a jap bike,in our Bullet owners words it is a PLASTIC bike. Most of the fitments looks to be of plastic..Bullet toh Bullet hi hai. No one can beat a Bullet.

Score ONE for bullet-clubbie stereotype busting!

Remember this post from me from sometime back?

Reposting:

RE-Fan: Whatever people may say, bullet is the most reliable bike of all machaa! these honda-phonda just dont have that reliability factor no? I would never have the confidence of doing Ladakh if it werent for my ol' Doppie!

Me: but RE bikes also have more problems than other bikes no?

RE-Fan: Whatchya talking about dude? See it all boils down to these wannabe newbies, you know this whole call center trash! They dont understand a bull has to be nurtured. Its become so easy to buy a bike these days no: easily you get loan-woan, buy bike on EMI, join a club and then become a bulleteer: its not like that. They dont take care of their bikes and then blame RE! I have never had a problem with any of the RE's I have owned!

Me: Didnt your brand new, 2 month old Classic 500 crack its engine casing on our breakfast ride to DD hills last year?

RE-Fan: Haan but that was a production fault, not RE fault! And I just called TTPL (Tours n Travels Pvt Ltd- popular nickname of aforementioned RE employee), told him my problem and he ensured that the whole engine was replaced under warranty! And he did the same for the 4 other people in our club who faced the same crack in casing issue! what service macha!

Me: oh nice! It took 4 months no but? long time to go without a bike!

RE-Fan: yeah man! but totally worth it! bike feels more powerful after this replacement!

Me: oh! Ok, then what about the time you burnt your CDI of your previous TB on our Leh ride?

RE-Fan: That was a minor fault with the alternator wiring: how can you blame RE for that machaa? Big Big bikes, small small problems happening only!

Me: Yeah, but ride gets sc***d no? like the time your bike caught fire on the Kudremukh ride?

RE-Fan: again, you cant blame RE for this da! Its only these newbies who are whining and complaining! See I have owned 3 bulls in past 12 years no? I am telling you: RE makes the most reliable bikes!

:facepalm: :facepalm:

Originally Posted by iron.head

UCE breed of bullets come with their own set of niggles and low refinement levels.

I dont think the unreliability associated with RE bikes has anything to do with UCE specifically: i would lay it entirely at the door of the company which has not shown the inclination to fix issues associated with Quality Control.

If you have been following the RE story, we see that EVERY bike in the RE stable that has come out since 1998 has had "issues": thats the only "given". Its only the hardcore RE clubbie who lives in denial!

On my 2011 ride to Ladakh, my bike was sc***ed on the Rohtang crossing: burnt out clutch and worse! At keylong, i found i was #32 in line to get my bike fixed with more coming in every minute. Every bike took a beating in the extreme terrain that year: but while other bikes were in a position to push on, the bulls were crippled!

Spent 3 days in Keylong getting my bike fixed! Ever wondered why the bullet brotherhood is so strong? Well bulleteers spend so much time bonding over at mechanics while other bikers are actually out enjoying their rides! We even have our "stuck in Keylong" group in Facebook in memory of those 3 days enforced stay. And #39 on the mechanics waitlist, a journalist, even came back and wrote a long 3 page piece in his magazine on the "wonder" that the riding on an Enfield!

I am happy to see some competition coming out for RE in the 250+ space. Its been a monopoly for too long and RE is taking unfair advantage. If RE consultants spent HALF the time and energy in fixing problems and building better bikes, as they do meddling in bullet club politics, then maybe owning a Classic bike like the RE would be a more pleasurable experience!

[dustom_99]

In 2000, while i was in school,recieved call letter for SSB(NDA), i was overjoyed,threw in a party for friend. Same day i decided to travel from Meerut to Haridwar. took out my bull and started on.
Had very little cash on hand as most of my pocket money was blown.
I just had enough to cover for fuel and may be just 20-30 bucks more.

Bike was 1983std 350 , my dads bike, passed onto me only after i passed 10th + my dad gave me a test to pass on bullet . Slow speed figure of 8 and engaging centre stand.
Anyway Just 12-13km from meerut, just after crossing modipuram, my well pampered, looked after and half-kick start bull started behaving strangely.
Loosing RPM at will and then picking up again.
Just a couple of hundred meters and that thing just died.
No compression, no intent to carry on.
I was soo very *****.
I remember that day because that was with only 20bucks in pocket, i draged that stupid pile of metal for 12km - `12 km of pure torture...it took me morning to evening ..i remember looking into a Pan shop, wanting to buy that water bottle.
I simply could not. if i spent the money on water, i probably would not even get back to meerut.
dumped the bike into the first mechanic shop i found, and took lift in a truck.
That was the day after which a hard core bull lover was no more a Bullet lover.
I still did not sell it, rebuilt it and carried on with it.

Again in 2002, it broke down while i was going Noida (for something very urgent and IMP)from meerut, I remember a sardarji coming alongside on his own bull , said "kaunsa modle hai" 83 i said.
His reply: very nice bike ,lovely sound.
Just a few KM and That lovely sound again turned into nightmare. Broke again and i was crashing and burning again with very little options.

In 2007, tookoff for Gangotri and badrinath , along with friends.
The road was unimaginably bad ,monsoon had just gone.
We had 3 bullets, and guess what all 3 of them developed strange problems, specially when we needed them most.
My head light went completely dead as soon as it was 7pm. It was on throughout the day and had absolutelyno problems.
Just when i needed it most with such bad and slushy road, gaveup on me.
my friends bike had chain sproket slipping , which finally broke completely. 3rd bike was overheating , when the mausam was so fine, and it was carring single rider.

But still same friends of mine never want to own up that Bullet has not been , what a motorcycle should be.
I have not sold my bike , but it now kind of stand there in the garage .Ignored and alone, while i love to ride on pulsar200. done hell lot of absolutely broken KM into middle of nowhere .
Pulasr also broke several parts on several occasions, but it never failed to haul my butt , taking me where i wanted to go.

[vinair]

Take a look at this machine, I mean just take a look at it!!! woa! I am just drooling over the pictures again and again! those classic lines are back and amazing, amazing! rear drum brakes!! wow!! so much to the original design!! Hope Yamaha brings this machine to India!! for the price (estimates 5,990 Euros) it goes on sale in Europe next Feb, its a real bargain!!!

[hellmet]

For less than 599.0 Euros I get it's Indian design equivalent - the Yamaha Crux

[e46]

Minimalistic design. Yamy and Honda should bring their middle weight bike in here. There should be huge demand if priced right.

[FourWheelDrift]

Looks like Yamaha USA is readying to introduce this bike into their market.

Given it's specs (NO electric start !), it is amazing to see them do this.

Source : http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2014/...th-2015-sr400/

• March 6, 2014
• Dirck Edge

Yamaha Goes Old School With 2015 SR400


Talk about old school. How about a bike being sold as a 2015 model that lacks an electric start button? That’s right, the 2015 Yamaha SR400 is not only a retro looking air-cooled single, you have to kick it to life! Weighing only 384 pounds, the SR400 is powered by a 399 cc air-cooled single with two valve heads. Yamaha views the SR400 as a potentially popular model, capitalizing on the retro and hipster crazes. We will see about that, but in the meantime you can check out Yamaha’s press release below. The SR400 will be priced at $5,990 U.S. MSRP.

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The SR400 is powered by a 399cc, single-cylinder, air-cooled, SOHC, 2-valve engine that produces a torquey, “thumper” engine character that makes it an absolute blast to ride.
The SR weighs only 384 pounds and has a very narrow frame matched to a low seat height of only 31 inches. This combination makes for a machine that is well suited to both entry riders as well as experienced enthusiasts.
The uniqueness of the SR is confirmed with the fact that it is a kick-start motorcycle. The retro appeal of this bike lies in its lack of a push button starter. As a kick-start only machine it draws attention from old school motorcycle fans and appeals to more modern motorcycle enthusiasts who value the appeal of riding a motorcycle that stands out in the crowd.
The Yamaha SR400 is the perfect motorcycle for both the custom bike builder and the rider who loves personalization. The SR is world renowned for its basis as the perfect platform as a Café or Street Tracker machine. Personalization and customization are limited only by the designer’s imagination.

ENGINE
399cc, single-cylinder, air-cooled, 4-stroke, SOHC, 2-valve power plant with electronic fuel injection combined with its light-weight makes for a very fun motorcycle to ride.
Easy to start, kick-starter is actuated through a handlebar mounted compression release that makes starting the SR quick and easy with very little effort.

The torquey, single-cylinder engine provides “thumper” appeal and engine character with a feeling of direct power connection to the rear wheel adding to the fun factor of the SR.
Single-cylinder design is easy to maintain and modify.
CHASSIS/SUSPENSION
Slim, narrow, double-cradle steel frame makes for a very compact body design for excellent rider maneuverability.
3.2 gallon fuel tank offers excellent touring range with an estimated 66 miles per gallon depending on the weight of the rider, passenger and any cargo.
Compact 55.5” wheelbase makes for quick, light steering for fun riding when the roads get twisty.
Front disc brake provides optimum stopping power.
Chain final drive provides excellent transfer of power to the rear wheel.
ADDITIONAL FEATURES
Outstanding platform for personalization and customization.
AVAILABLE ACCESSORIES
yamahapartsandaccessories.com

SPECIFICATIONS
Model SR400 Engine Type 399cc, air-cooled SOHC, 2-valve Bore x Stroke 97.0mm x 62.7mm Compression Ratio 8.5:1 Fuel Delivery Fuel Injection Ignition TCI: Transistor Controlled Ignition Transmission 5 speed; multiplate wet clutch Final Drive Chain Suspension/Front Telescopic; 5.9-in travel Suspension/Rear Swingarm; 4.1-in travel Brake/Front Hydraulic disc; 268mm Brake/Rear 150mm drum Tire/Front 90/100-18M/C 54S Tire/Rear 110/90-18M/C 61S L x W x H 82.1 x 29.5 x 43.1 in Seat Height 30.9 in Wheelbase 55.5 in Rake (Caster Angle) 27º Trail 4.4 in. Fuel Capacity 3.2 gal *Est. Fuel Economy 66 mpg **Wet Weight 384 lb Color Dark Grey Metallic

[aruncheloor]

Hi Folks,

One of the leading Malayalam News papers, Malayala Manorama has brought out a news that Yamaha is planning to launch the SR400 in India soon. Here is the link to the story. Sorry.. Its in Malayalam

http://www.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bi...d=17&BV_ID=@@@


The nut shell is that "Yamaha India is planning to launch a Classic bike in the lines of the legendary RD350 & RX100 soon. And the chosen model is SR400. The estimated price is around 3.75 Lacs. Yamaha India is planning to enter the Retro-Classic series of bikes in India with this model. It has got a single cylinder 399cc engine having an out put of 22.9BHP & is having a kerb weight of 174Kgs. The bike is available with a kick-start option only."

Anyone having more info regarding this?

Found another link here..

http://www.wlivenews.com/yamaha-sr40...-in-india.html

[pramodkumar]

Originally Posted by aruncheloor

Hi Folks,

One of the leading Malayalam News papers, Malayala Manorama has brought out a news that Yamaha is planning to launch the SR400 in India soon. Here is the link to the story. Sorry.. Its in Malayalam

http://www.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bi...d=17&BV_ID=@@@


The nut shell is that "Yamaha India is planning to launch a Classic bike in the lines of the legendary RD350 & RX100 soon. And the chosen model is SR400. The estimated price is around 3.75 Lacs. Yamaha India is planning to enter the Retro-Classic series of bikes in India with this model. It has got a single cylinder 399cc engine having an out put of 22.9BHP & is having a kerb weight of 174Kgs. The bike is available with a kick-start option only."

Anyone having more info regarding this?

Found another link here..

http://www.wlivenews.com/yamaha-sr40...-in-india.html

Arun, this news has been around for years, but, are you getting a connection between a Malayalam daily bringing this news? And especially at this time? The mallus have gone crazy for nostalgia and vintage(me included). Gone are the days when finding a scrap rx at a reasonable price was possible. I am disappointed by the fact that instead to ensuring we RD owners get quality spares, their idea of a joke is a 22 bhp 4 stroke single cylinder bike. Well done Yamaha

Pramod

[B O V]

I don't think there's any official word out on this.Although I'd be pretty damn excited if it were to release.I've spent countless hours drooling over sr400 customs.Plus it'll be a good change from all the customised bullets running around India.But at 3.7 Lakhs,Seems a tad too much maybe?For a 22 bhp bike that is,Regardless of vintage charm etc.I think if it does release its gotta be priced very competitively,if they hope to compete with the other offerings on the market.Especially the current retro-modern(well,relatively modern) motorcycle in India,Royal Enfield.

You're damn right about the current craze for classic/vintage motorcycles in Kerala Pramod,I dunno much about the yamaha scene,but tryin to source vintage parts for bullets is a pain.I had a local spares guy quote 8000rs for gettin me a '67 front fender.

Regards

BOV

[basuroy]

That bike will be considered expensive even at 2L never mind almost 4 . Same deal as continental gt really , both go for 5/6k at US/EU and if they wish to sell even modest figures here , both will have be retailed for 2L or less .

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

For Yamaha internationally, this is a classic look motorcycle. So reminiscent of the 70's when the RDs ruled first and then the originals SRs came towards the end of the decade. Nostalgia.

For Yamaha India - this is 2015.



We cannot accept nostalgia priced at 4L OTR simply because our market hasn't grown so far ahead from the 70s yet. The SR with all its glory will only feel like a bigger Crux, or the RX for that matter - without its two stroke glory. May be at 2L OTR it stands a chance against the bullet, but definitely not if its priced high for being a 'classic'.

[FourWheelDrift]

This is with all due respect to those who have posted above.

I believe that a reasonably priced Yamaha SR400 (i.e. at a premium of say 25k to the Thunderbird 500), with a half decent exhaust note, might draw quite a few Bulleteers, who want Japanese reliability from their rides.

I just hope Yamaha are creative with their colour combinations. The current monochrome offerings might not be attractive enough for us. Enfield has done a great job on the Classic series, from a colour options point of view, which Yamaha should look at.

Cheers,

FourWheelDrift

[B O V]

Originally Posted by FourWheelDrift

This is with all due respect to those who have posted above.

I believe that a reasonably priced Yamaha SR400 (i.e. at a premium of say 25k to the Thunderbird 500), with a half decent exhaust note, might draw quite a few Bulleteers
FourWheelDrift

Yes sir it will,Count me in

Although for me its more about the plethora of customisation possibilities rather than Japanese reliability.Obviously its an added bonus.Although pricing is crucial.

Regards,

BOV

[navin_v8]

Originally Posted by pramodkumar

Arun, this news has been around for years, but, are you getting a connection between a Malayalam daily bringing this news? And especially at this time? The mallus have gone crazy for nostalgia and vintage(me included).
Pramod

So true Pramod I too am a Mallu, but born and brought up in Bombay. I have piled up Five RE motorcycles so far, and all are in stock form from different eras. What is it with mallus and Woorrigginnal RE Bullets and Yamaha RD350's.

Coming back to the thread, the SR400 from Yamaha looks very promising but pricing it at 3.75 lakhs will be a disaster for Yamaha India. Considering this is a 22 BHP Single Cylinder most of the people won't be willing to pay almost 4 lakhs for this motorcycle. I think Yamaha to make this a success should price it at a logical 1.7 to 2 lakhs. If they manage to do this then I am sure the SR400 would start flying from shelves like hot cakes. Now only Yamaha has to say, "Yes Yamaha"