[RM Motorsports]

Another nonsense proposal. Policies like these only have one goal "Corruption".
A whole new avenue of corruption opens up wherein fake parking space certifications will be given. Car aspirants will pay another invisible tax via corruption.

[prakash_ajp]

Originally Posted by RM Motorsports

Car aspirants will pay another invisible tax via corruption.

This one, I am sure, will be voluntary. Why do we ignore the fact that the citizens have a choice, at least in cases like this?

[JDMBOI]

Japan also has this same law. It is called Shako Shomeisho in Japanese i.e Parking Certificate. It is for private vehicle owners and they have to show the parking space where they will park their car before making the purchase, authorities will come and check the space as whether it is sufficient for the vehicle or not and it must be within 2 km from your registered residence address.

[MileCruncher]

Originally Posted by RM Motorsports

Another nonsense proposal. Policies like these only have one goal "Corruption".
A whole new avenue of corruption opens up wherein fake parking space certifications will be given. Car aspirants will pay another invisible tax via corruption.

So basically people in Bandra / Shivaji Park / Matunga and other areas with loads of old buildings cannot buy cars. They don't have parking in building and park on roads.

The road outside my house is perennially clogged with single / sometimes double parking. Because old buildings don't have space. Or building have space for 2 wheelers and every 2nd house has 2 cars.

Now the question, is to achieve this policy, is the state going to let go of the road tax revenue of 12-15% on new cars?
Will the auto industry (MH is a big auto and auto ancillary industry hub) agree to this?
While the thoughts are nice, is this another of unviable plans of the government?

I'm quite sure this won't see the light of the day!

[RM Motorsports]

Originally Posted by JDMBOI

Japan also has this same law. It is called Shako Shomeisho in Japanese i.e Parking Certificate. It is for private vehicle owners and they have to show the parking space where they will park their car before making the purchase, authorities will come and check the space as whether it is sufficient for the vehicle or not and it must be within 2 km from your registered residence address.

Yup ! I know about this. I was in Japan last spring. But they have a fantastic public transport system. Lets say Tokyo. I could reach any part of such big city through train, tram or bus. No station was more than 10-15 min walk. If such transport system exists in Bombay, i'll surely give up my car.

[It's Magic]

Originally Posted by RM Motorsports

Car aspirants will pay another invisible tax

The long-term goal here is to decongest cities, but we need to reduce traffic on the roads, and the given solution is not ideal. The government wants to discourage people from purchasing new vehicles so that there would be some control over the number of vehicles on the road. I don't think this move will be very effective in India. In today's competitive world, I doubt dealers will let go of customers just because they don't have parking space.

The only solution we can have is better public transport. Be it metro, rickshaws, buses, taxis, or any other option which is convenient, reliable, and cost-effective. The government has to take more efforts to build better infrastructure and a network of public transport to create last-mile connectivity. If good public transport is available, many people will prefer using it rather than driving through mad traffic from one end of the city to another. Eventually, this will bring down the vehicle count.

Unless that is done, I don't think such moves will bring big success.

[ABHI_1512]

Originally Posted by MileCruncher

I'm quite sure this won't see the light of the day!

Cars owners in this country are the most abused lot in terms of taxation. I am quite sure that plans like these will be made and then scrapped arbitrarily to make way for even more bizarre plans !

On paper, the plan is very good. But in a country where the garage spaces are often turned into illegal shops, I can see another plan with no viable result !!

The authorities will not try to augment the public transportation system to make it better but they will make sure for anyone to not purchase a new car without parking space, brilliant I say.

[ValarMorghulis]

I don't get the outrage here.

If you don't have a parking, where do you intend to park your car? On the public roads? Why?
I'm all for "No parking, no car" and it should be implemented ruthlessly.

What about all the old places which have no car parking? Well, I suggest govt. should issue permits to these cars on the public roads, with a monthly fee. Once the car completes its life, vacate that space. Eventually, the public roads will be decongested.

And no, there should be no sympathy if you have a building with no car parking, but you have 'n' cars.

[srh]

Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis

I don't get the outrage here.

If you don't have a parking, where do you intend to park your car? On the public roads? Why?
I'm all for "No parking, no car" and it should be implemented ruthlessly.

What about all the old places which have no car parking? Well, I suggest govt. should issue permits to these cars on the public roads, with a monthly fee. Once the car completes its life, vacate that space. Eventually, the public roads will be decongested.

And no, there should be no sympathy if you have a building with no car parking, but you have 'n' cars.

The outrage isn't about wanting such a policy policy. The outrage is because its implementation is impractical. People who don't have parking will still manage to buy cars - its just that the governmental staffers will get personally illegally enriched in this process. The idea seems 'bright' but is actually quite 'dumb'!

[Axe77]

A fantastic idea if it was possible to see through in actual implimentation. But that is the biggest IF. This will just be another avenue of random paperwork / medium of corruption.

Illegal parking by vehicle owners without legal parking (or unwilling to pay for legal parking like BMC car parks) is a genuine menace. The one way lane outside my house has double / triple parked scooters on one side and another row parked on the opp side as well. This, when there is a pay and park with monthly payment possible just 400 mtrs down the road.

Separately, what if a citizen is actually willing to avail BMC paid parking and wants to buy a vehicle. How does he demonstrate that he has parking. By paying up front for 3 - 5 years? Anything else?

If you're in a rental acco with parking today, what assurance is there you will move to another rental acco which also has parking.

Too many impossibilities in implementation which is why I don't think much of this scheme. Curious to know of course if they have a conceptual solve for this.

[PreludeSH]

I saw this thing only today "More corruption means more laws" or vice versa. Instead of fixing roads, cleaning environment and enforcing existing laws, they come up with new ones.

[NomadSK]

Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis

I don't get the outrage here.

I’m totally with you. But I wish the ground realities matched word to word.

I guess the outrage is, does a common tax paying person have an option of seamless public transport to avail.

Let’s say for an example, I have to drive for work and I don’t have a parking and add to that there’s no/poor public transport system, then what am I supposed to do ? Well I pay taxes for them to make proper mass transport system and not use the money in some hideous electoral bonds.

Public transportation in my city was zero till few months ago, now metro has just recently started and now authorities are getting vocal and “requesting” people to use the metro without implementing any draconian rules. May be they will increase the fuel prices in future for people to adopt the new mass transport system. Even I’m thinking to give up driving and start using metro, just because I feel “driving” is pretty unsafe action which I take in 24hours of my daily life.

To me, most of the decisions taken are just knee jerk reactions, which sounds cool and are fantastic to read and have no connection with the ground reality. Same for 10 year shelf life of car before scrapping, any other country doing this, or pollution is only India specific ?

Most often than not, we try to treat the symptom rather than the cause. Our administration thrives in chaos and confusion.

[ValarMorghulis]

Originally Posted by srh

... The outrage is because its implementation is impractical. People who don't have parking will still manage to buy cars ..

The implementation is mighty difficult. But so was vaccinating the entire population of the country, or FastTag etc.

No such large-scale action will start off perfect, but there has to be a solution for errant car owners parking their cars on public roads.

I see this as a good start.

Originally Posted by Axe77

...what if a citizen is actually willing to avail BMC paid parking and wants to buy a vehicle. How does he demonstrate that he has parking. By paying up front for 3 - 5 years? Anything else?...

Good idea. May be BMC issues a 15-year parking charge card and sells off its parking space accordingly. Just an idea. The experts might come up with a better one.

Originally Posted by NomadSK

...But I wish the ground realities matched word to word.
I guess the outrage is, does a common tax paying person have an option of seamless public transport to avail...

1. The ground realities will seldom match word to word for any large-scale action in our country. I remember when Delhi Meto was announced for old Delhi.

2. Do you mean common income tax paying citizen? There are only a handful of them. Other tax paying ones, well there can be only so many things done. But providing for something so that one does not violate the law is hardly something the govt. must encourage.

Originally Posted by NomadSK

...Let’s say for an example, I have to drive for work and I don’t have a parking and add to that there’s no/poor public transport system, then what am I supposed to do?...

Well, my first question would be: Where do you park your car? On the public road? Then why did you buy it? Why not a 2-wheeler?

Remember: Parking isn't a right. It is a privilege and no it is not government's duty to provide parking to you.

We've had a similar kind of argument already here:
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/stree...ml#post5674712 (Illogical parking rules in Mumbai (and other cities))

[Bhodrolok]

In our cities with their current levels of congestion, this makes sense.

However like anything else in our society, there is likely to be a cottage industry of getting these permits as is happening with BH registration of vehicles across multiple states.

[NomadSK]

Originally Posted by ValarMorghulis

Well, my first question would be: Where do you park your car? On the public road? Then why did you buy it? Why not a 2-wheeler?

Before that question, I would be asking has any study being done before calling for such blanket ban. So and so road, because of heavy traffic, no street parking would be allowed from such to such time. That’s how implementation is done based on robust data backed by studies, accident reports, high speed/low speed roads, minor road/major road, traffic congestion study, timings etc etc.

If my parking location is on a minor street not affecting the traffic flow or emergency services or discomforting others, then I guess there’s no harm for public parking.

Where are the parking spots when government distributes licenses to businesses/shops, they are all on public street, come to my tier-4 city. These morons would go to the level of scratching your car, if you slot it there. Such is the poor road designs that even a fire tender cannot enter our street, god forbid if needed, forget about on street parking.

And wait, you want to listen to other menace which will come to fore, street vendors will sit on roads for their activities and hafta system would start. (India specific)

Infact the on-street parking (minor roads) slows down the traffic considerably which is boon for pedestrians/kids and reduces the frequency of an accident. Provides a buffer between the footpath and the traffic.

Parking isn't a right. It is a privilege and no it is not government's duty to provide parking to you.

So is driving too, let’s ban driving too because most of the drivers are too unsafe & dangerous on the roads.

Yes agreed there are some negative effects too, but that’s not the case for having blanket bans.

Anyway there’s a word “may be” as per the OP report. I guess that’s the whole key.