[MotoDrive]

I hope the Toll does not gets deducted if we travel in service road next to the express way for example on Bangalore-Mysore expressway.

[Storme5257]

Here's a quote from autocar professional's article:

Article Link : https://www.autocarpro.in/news/new-g...nounced-122543

The new GNSS device will use Automatic Number Plate recognition (ANPR) and the existing FASTag systems for collecting tolls. A GNSS device will be non-transferable and firmly fitted technology in vehicles to connect the GNSS for toll fee collection.

The rules also require a designated lane for vehicles equipped with GNSS device for faster operation. However, vehicles entering this lane without a functioning device will be required to pay a fee which could be twice the standard user fee applicable at that particular toll plaza. As the adoption of GNSS based toll collection grows, all lanes are expected to gradually convert to GNSS-enabled ones.

So the scanning process would be similar to that of fasTag, right? It would mean similar wait times at toll plazas we are currently experiencing with FasTag vehicles.

Does this mean that the only benefit of the GNSS system would be distance-based toll charging?
Because some errors and scenarios like insufficient balance, bank server error , etc. are bound to happen.
What major benefit does this provide over fasTAG considering the expense it would require for the equipment?

[dragracer567]

Originally Posted by arijitkanrar

I doubt if implement it will use GPS which is not in the hands of GoI. It most likely will use NavIC/IRNSS (Indian Regional Navigation Satellite System). Just like GPS, it probably has different accuracy levels based on what signals the receivers are programmed to use.

Foreign contractors like Collins are involved in the NavIC program as well. Also might not happen immediately since even for aerospace, NavIC isn’t used yet if I’m not mistaken.

[Aditya]

Government announces GPS-based toll collection system - Posts moved to a new thread.

[quickdraw]

Originally Posted by Turbanator

Any idea how they plan to implement it?

I could not find any relevant info. What type of hardware will be required, costs etc? Will the new automobiles fit with it and what will be the challenges to such implementation? Or will it be E-sim-based, plug-and-play?

The only plausible way I see it is a combination of camera and RFID based system that automatically works. Even today half the time the RFID doesn't work and toll booth guy uses car numberplate to charge you.

[PreludeSH]

If they can successfully photograph vehicles moving at 100kmph on Mysuru expressway, why cant they just use that and deduct from existing FastTag ?

You already have toll booths on exits in some highway. Both entries and exits would be covered. You just need to barricade or disallow people to change lanes for 100 mts near the cameras.

[akg7091]

Originally Posted by MotoDrive

I hope the Toll does not gets deducted if we travel in service road next to the express way for example on Bangalore-Mysore expressway.

The commercial GNSS OBU has an accuracy of +-10m and there is a very slight chance of this happening. My understanding is this will be backed by ANPR and only if both systems confirm that the toll road was used will (should) the toll be deducted, but knowing how greedy toll operators are ( 100m rule NEVER implemented in practice ) I fear they will use "OR" instead of "AND"

[Thad E Ginathom]

Number-plate recognition was in use for speed-limit imposition in UK before I left, twenty years back. I'm sure the technology has improved since then.

(I don't know if they also used camera at the end points. The thing about using number-plate recognition was that average speed over a distance could be measured rather than speed at a single point)

[akg7091]

Originally Posted by PreludeSH

If they can successfully photograph vehicles moving at 100kmph on Mysuru expressway, why cant they just use that and deduct from existing FastTag ?

You already have toll booths on exits in some highway. Both entries and exits would be covered. You just need to barricade or disallow people to change lanes for 100 mts near the cameras.

This idea is actually proposed but NPCI / NHAI are yet to give their approval for the same. Once approved, fines will be deducted through fastag balance / linked bank account ( if updated in database ) of the registered vehicle owner. The VRN / PPI linkage is 1 to 1 and no duplication allowed as per existing rules (very minor duplication is there and if any such debit occurs then the issuing bank bears the cost and pays the acquiring bank )

[PreludeSH]

Originally Posted by akg7091

This idea is actually proposed but NPCI / NHAI are yet to give their approval for the same. Once approved, fines will be deducted through fastag balance / linked bank account ( if updated in database ) of the registered vehicle owner. The VRN / PPI linkage is 1 to 1 and no duplication allowed as per existing rules (very minor duplication is there and if any such debit occurs then the issuing bank bears the cost and pays the acquiring bank )

I am not talking about fines. This is to collect the toll instead of FastTag or GNSS system being proposed. I see the thread veering off towards fines

[akg7091]

Ohh. It's not suitable for tolling. ANPR at high speeds and very dense traffic flow has a very high slippage ratio. The toll operators will never agree to this

[PreludeSH]

Originally Posted by akg7091

Ohh. It's not suitable for tolling. ANPR at high speeds and very dense traffic flow has a very high slippage ratio. The toll operators will never agree to this

My first post on this had the solution for this too At entry and exit points just streamline the traffic, no passing allowed for 100 mts. You can keep moving at 100kmph like its done on Mysuru road. Its easier to contest too. They need to have the photo at that point if there is some misreading.

[akg7091]

There's just too much slippage at speed and density. Our firm tried this for years before giving up. Revenue slippage is something that's a strict no.

[hondadriver]

Originally Posted by PreludeSH

GPS accuracy for mobiles is few metres. Not sure how it will work if you are on service road which is very close to main highway like the Mysuru-Bengaluru highway.

This is where the first 20km free comes into play. If a car is tracking a tolled highway for 20km, then the GNSS will collect enough points to figure out its on the tolled highway.

Also, IMHO, if a vehicle is tracking a tolled highway for 20kms, then in all probability it is on the tolled highway

[xway]

Dont go by all the gimmicks.

In a recent interview Mr. Gadkari mentioned his target to triple the toll collection.

Its just like in corona times senior citizen subsidy was removed to discourage seniors from travelling in train, but in essence it was just another tool to fill coffers and now its removed permanently corona or not.

Already toll charges are too high going upto Rs. 6/Km, other roads are in shambles.

This is nothing but a ploy to lure people into believing that its advantageous to them, but in reality the idea is to mince people in toll taxes, that too after paying so high road taxes, gst surcharge cess on cars, after paying direct taxes.

And in case something is wrongly charged or deducted, those helpline numbers wont even be attended by people but rather some bots or voice messages which will make you forget the money deducted.