[Chinmayd]

It would have been more advisable to give people better or less harmful options rather than take away existing options. This should be in the form of investing in better public transport first. In Delhi's case safe public transport as well. Not sure how sticks only option will work.

If implemented for the long run might encourage people to keep multiple private vehicles making parking a mess and eventually lead to a point where there will be so many extra vehicles that it would defeat the purpose of such a ban. Would do second hand car dealers in Delhi a world of good.

Wonder how emergency situations will be handled. If you are rushing your pregnant wife to a hospital for delivery, would traffic cops tell you to go back home and try again tomorrow, odd car number not allowed today?

Well on a serious note, this is Delhi today, could be Mumbai tomorrow. Pollution is a serious concern for the entire planet. We at team-bhp should have regular discussions on these topics and promote a more responsible and eco sensitive culture amongst our members. After all we are all passionate about cars, we all love to drive but dont wish to choke our cities in the process.

[ISO]

Foolish move in my honest opinion. If you check pollution of the cars honestly and fuel quality, problem will be solved.

I was in Saudi and now in Bahrain. Despite of more number of cars, atmosphere is very clean and free of pollution. Though this attributes to almost no diesel vehicles in the city.

[vijit.gangwar]

Originally Posted by Maxthrottle

Who comes up with these stupid idea's and on a second thought it seems they are promoting people to buy cars with both odd and even numbers if they want to drive everyday.

Note :

1. One more thing What if my car number ends with 0.
2. What if there is a medical emergency and i need to take someone to the hospital and the car cannot be driven on that particular date/day?

Arvind will send an ambulance to your home.

[tbppjpr]

Originally Posted by ISO

I was in Saudi and now in Bahrain. Despite of more number of cars, atmosphere is very clean and free of pollution. Though this attributes to almost no diesel vehicles in the city.

I guess the places you are talking about are mainly coastal areas where sea plays very big role in clearing out the ambient air. Then there must be much stricter enforcement of law and norms along with better quality of fuel.

[Nithesh_M]

Originally Posted by rdhawan15

With due respect to you, I would like to differ with your viewpoint.
...
Now, having said this, I also want things to CHANGE.

Before the Government comes up with such plans, at a bare minimum it should have:

- And, sitting in Mangalore, you would not have had a chance to ride peak hour Metro from Dwarka to Noida. Your viewpoint may change after going through the experience of a jam-packed Metro.

You are forgetting the bigger picture here. When the odd/even thing works out, nearly half the cars in Delhi won't be on the streets everyday = relatively faster commute on buses.


- Without adding anything to the infrastructure to support greener commuting, how can you just pass an order rendering the cars useless for 3 days?
When more and more people are admitted to the hospital with breathing ailments, would the govt then have to come and ask each citizen for their individual permission to give out such orders? Or do you think its best to follow "Prevention is better than cure" mantra?
Are you unaware of the live reports on the status of the pollutants despite sitting in Delhi?
Beijing just sent out a red-alert because their PM2.5 counter read "291µg/m3 ".
Do you know what the Delhi equivalent number is? "520µg/m3".
The WHO says anything more than "25µg/m3" is considered unsafe.
How many more people should suffer or die before the people can see what is happening?

- If you have your own business and are meeting clients through the day, you cannot run your business through bus or Metro.
- Try planning a ride to office on a DTC bus. You will be on time on a few lucky days.

Contradictory points here. If buses can't be on time neither will a car stuck on the same route in the same traffic condition which also adds to more pollution. Motorcycles? Yeah sure.


- Doubled the bus fleet at the least
Ofcourse, 10,000 additional buses were planned but the central govt has not allotted the land for a depot yet.
Regardless:
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/de...s-1007347.html


- Increased Metro coverage in Delhi /
- Increased passenger carrying capacity on existing routes of Metro
Won't happen in such short notice. Will take a long time to build and going by the increase in level of pollutants by the day its impossible to wait for it to be completed first. Its going to take 3-4 months to get new coaches.

- Setup cycling zones and lanes through the city.
You think people who are complaining about having to take the bus on alternate days will start commuting on cycles now?


Instead of making too many excuses and finding loopholes, what harm does it do to go along with it for a week or two? If no benefit comes out of it and if citizens are finding it unmanageable then the CM has already said it will be cancelled.
Beijing didn't take permission from its citizens before issuing red alert either this week. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Its upto you to fix the enviroment and not wait for others to do it for you.

[lucifer1881]

Originally Posted by Nithesh_M

...nearly half the cars in Delhi won't be on the streets everyday = relatively faster commute on buses...

This is the biggest misconception people have. How many of us remember the days when the buses are on strike? The number of personal vehicles on the road go up manifold. But the traffic movement becomes faster. I have felt this on multiple occasions in Hyderabad.

Buses are the most badly driven vehicles on our roads. They don't use designated bus bays to pick up and drop passengers, weave across lanes, and squeeze you to the wall when making a turn. Having more buses is not the solution. It will only exacerbate the problem.

[PatchyBoy]

In reality, this odd-even proposal is only one of several measures announced by the Delhi government. Our media, as usual, picked only this and blew it out of proportions. Watch this video for all the proposed measures, most of which makes a lot of sense.

Even this odd-even proposal, seems to be temporary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcmC_RF7hOw

[rdhawan15]

Originally Posted by Nithesh_M

You are forgetting the bigger picture here. When the odd/even thing works out, nearly half the cars in Delhi won't be on the streets everyday = relatively faster commute on buses.

That's a flawed assumption. You will see more cars being purchased to circumvent this rule.

When more and more people are admitted to the hospital with breathing ailments, would the govt then have to come and ask each citizen for their individual permission to give out such orders? Or do you think its best to follow "Prevention is better than cure" mantra?
Are you unaware of the live reports on the status of the pollutants despite sitting in Delhi?
Beijing just sent out a red-alert because their PM2.5 counter read "291µg/m3 ".
Do you know what the Delhi equivalent number is? "999µg/m3".
The WHO says anything more than "25µg/m3" is considered unsafe.
How many more people should suffer or die before the people can see what is happening?

And, to what extent does the private car pollution contribute to this number?

Do you have the facts to prove that private cars are the major contributor to vehicular pollution? Or, do you choose to look through vehicular pollution numbers through a prism of your own choice?

Commercial 3-wheelers, taxis and trucks contribute way higher to the vehicular pollution figures than the private cars.



Contradictory points here. If buses can't be on time neither will a car stuck on the same route in the same traffic condition which also adds to more pollution. Motorcycles? Yeah sure.

Not at all. A Bus will take you from West Delhi to Connaught Place in 90 minutes while I can use my car to reach the same place in 60 minutes time. You seem to be forgetting that Buses need to take hops for passengers to embark or dis-embark. And, in Delhi, Buses cannot go beyond 40 Km Hr speed. On a car, you could be a bit higher within the safe realms.


Ofcourse, 10,000 additional buses were planned but the central govt has not allotted the land for a depot yet.

SO, wait until you get the Depot space.

http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/de...s-1007347.html

We are talking about 10,000 buses here. And, a bus on the road is what adds to the capacity rather than 'A Government Decides to buy 1900 Buses'. Buses are not ready to be taken off the shelves and deployed on the roads. It takes time.

Won't happen in such short notice. Will take a long time to build and going by the increase in level of pollutants by the day its impossible to wait for it to be completed first. Its going to take 3-4 months to get new coaches.

Then, wait for 3-4 months. Add the capacity before passing such orders where you are impacting mobility of people.

You think people who are complaining about having to take the bus on alternate days will start commuting on cycles now?

And, what makes you think that a percentage of those users won't adopt cycling as a way to commute if the distance is affordable. At least, he won't be at the mercy of a DTC bus or a jam-packed Metro.

Your response clearly suggests the hypothetical thinking that is away from the ground situation. You need to spend time in Delhi before giving a solution.

You also need to have your facts clear in terms of percentage pollution factors.

In the name of Smog, the Government is trying to target traffic congestion that is there due to cars. What it needs to target is pollution. Congestion and pollution do not always go hand-in-hand.

Again, Delhi needs help. But, we need thoughtful plan of strategy and action rather than a thoughtless piece of action that comes with no assurance to citizens of Delhi who would be the worst affected because of failure of Governance in the capital of this country.

[tbppjpr]

Looks like now the central govt. is also going to jump into the traffic reformation debate in Delhi.

Caught in 2-Hour Jam Near Delhi, Nitin Gadkari Orders 'Solution in 24 Hours'

'On Monday night, the minister's car was stuck on the Gurgaon-Mahipalpur flyover just outside Delhi, which leads to the airport.

Mr Gadkari was reported to be furious when he spoke to officers of the National Highway Authority of India and demanded a proposal to make the road "jam-free" within 24 hours. He has also called a meeting of all authorities concerned.

"I assure you that within a year and a half, the traffic jams in Delhi will be reduced by half. Delhi's pollution will also be reduced," Mr Gadkari told reporters.

The Mahipalpur road has always been a nightmare for commuters. Rush-hour traffic was particularly bad on Monday as there were 25,000 weddings in Delhi and its outskirts.

Mr Gadkari's orders on Delhi traffic come at a time there is debate over the Aam Aadmi Party government's decision to allow odd and even numbered cars on alternate days.'

[mayankk]

You are forgetting the bigger picture here. When the odd/even thing works out, nearly half the cars in Delhi won't be on the streets everyday = relatively faster commute on buses.

What buses?


When more and more people are admitted to the hospital with breathing ailments, would the govt then have to come and ask each citizen for their individual permission to give out such orders? Or do you think its best to follow "Prevention is better than cure" mantra?
Are you unaware of the live reports on the status of the pollutants despite sitting in Delhi?
Beijing just sent out a red-alert because their PM2.5 counter read "291µg/m3 ".
Do you know what the Delhi equivalent number is? "999µg/m3".
The WHO says anything more than "25µg/m3" is considered unsafe.
How many more people should suffer or die before the people can see what is happening?


With a third of the level, China considers it enough to ban half the cars, abolish sale of diesels, construction, close offices.
Why stop at half in delhi. Ban them all. We're much worse. If the existing system of public transport is so good without the knowledge of Delhi lifers, let all use it. From the ministers, to me, everybody.
But ,do what China did FOR the citizens first, rather than TO them.

Contradictory points here. If buses can't be on time neither will a car stuck on the same route in the same traffic condition which also adds to more pollution. Motorcycles? Yeah sure.

You really need to experience delhi buses before making that statement.

Ofcourse, 10,000 additional buses were planned but the central govt has not allotted the land for a depot yet.
Regardless:
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/de...s-1007347.html

And have I not voted the government to power to fix these? Or is the letter to approve this pending signature on my desk somewhere? Why cant the frequent flyer approve this, since its such a emergent need?


Won't happen in such short notice. Will take a long time to build and going by the increase in level of pollutants by the day its impossible to wait for it to be completed first. Its going to take 3-4 months to get new coaches.

The NGT has been flapping its wings for a long time. As has the SC. The 3-4 months you speak of have passed many times. If there was will to find a proper solution, it would have been done.


You think people who are complaining about having to take the bus on alternate days will start commuting on cycles now?

I will agree with you on this, but only owing to the double digit commute that a majority of the public in delhi faces..

Instead of making too many excuses and finding loopholes, what harm does it do to go along with it for a week or two? If no benefit comes out of it the CM has already said it will be cancelled.

In 15 days, it means not reaching office, or being late, for about 5 days.
In 15 days, I would not be able to meet clients who suddenly say, "I have an hour on my calender. Why dont you come today?"

Beijing didn't take permission from its citizens before issuing red alert either this week. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
A chinese democracy need not take permission. But they STILL thought about their population before implementing this in the last decade.

Its upto you to fix the enviroment and not wait for others to do it for you.

Agreed.
Logically, in thought out processes. Not piece of junk reflexes like 10 year old cars, odd-even day nonsense.
Enforce existing standards.
Every law and regulation related to emissions, auto and other wise, is violated blatantly. Enforce them. You dont even know what impact they make. But are willing to write them off because you cannot be bothered to work? Its not me shirking responsibility, its you.

[hybridpetrol]

Originally Posted by lucifer1881

This is the biggest misconception people have. How many of us remember the days when the buses are on strike? The number of personal vehicles on the road go up manifold. But the traffic movement becomes faster. I have felt this on multiple occasions in Hyderabad.

Buses are the most badly driven vehicles on our roads. They don't use designated bus bays to pick up and drop passengers, weave across lanes, and squeeze you to the wall when making a turn. Having more buses is not the solution. It will only exacerbate the problem.

Agreed!
Though the actual theory might indicate otherwise, the realistic way these huge vehicles are driven on the road shows that they are one of the main reason for jams!
In our city, we have both private and government buses plying on the same routes. They compete with each other, and hence they occupy all three lanes to overtake each other, scaring the hell out of every traveller on the road.
At one T junction (a very poorly designed one), these buses have to make a complete U turn, in order to access a road on the other side of the road. So, while taking this U turn, these buses occupy almost 5 lanes completely, while also blocking the approaching traffic flow for which the signal is open. It is a complete mess every day.

So, more than 90% of the posts indicate that the odd / even idea is a ridiculous move, and will inconvenience the public.
I say that, if they ever were able to implement this idea - they would exclude a number of people - such as VIPs, Ambulances, Government vehicles, and probably Lone female travellers as well. This rule will also not be applicable for public transport system including autos, cabs, school / college / office buses, and goods carriers such as trucks, pick-ups etc.
Only those who will be affected will be the middle class tax payers - who bought their cars with the money left after paying 30% income tax, and by paying EMI to banks, who are usually the easy targets to test all kind of laws. Tomorrow, they can even experiment us with a law such as "Take car only on Sundays, rest of the days, enjoy our beautiful buses!"

[Vitalstatistiks]

Private four wheelers contribute 22% of total pollution in Delhi, and CM babu has put this restriction ONLY on them. He has completely neglected -

(a) the LARGEST source of pollution- Diesel trucks ! Allow them inside city limits only after midnight (or at least 11pm) ! What is the problem with that? Trader community will lynch them ?

(b) SECOND LARGEST source of pollution- two wheelers. There's 5.5 million of them in Delhi. Pray, why are they not subject to "even-odd" rule? Give me one reason that makes sense to exempt them from this 'experiment'. There's only one. Vote bank. Sheer number of lower middle class to poor segment folks using two wheelers, the core vote bank of AAP.

(Source for claims regarding largest/second largest etc. from media- http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/w.../1/541022.html)

Now Kejri is thinking of allowing women to drive any vehicle, on all days (http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report...e-week-2153204).

This is, honestly, a GIMMICK. It will be withdrawn after 15 days, if not earlier. Kejriwal will get some talking points for trying SOMETHING (as useless as that something was).

[maverick.munish]

This isn't a viable solution. The biggest pollutants in Delhi are the public transportation buses themselves. Along with that there is traffic from trucks that are not Delhi bound. They just haven't been able to stop the non Delhi bound traffic from entering Delhi. There are other ways to deal with it.
That's a crazy idea with no amount of automated monitoring (via camera) in place. Kejriwal is an ex-bureaucrat and this only demonstrates the quality of their solutioning to imminent challenges. God save Delhi. Delhi Traffic Police is not under Delhi government control. How can they give a solution without consulting the authorities who would implement it on the ground level. DTP is already short staffed and moreover I hope DTP constables know what's an odd or an even number.
Another major point to consider here which AAP completely forgot or conveniently overlooked is that the pollution in Delhi is not a single state problem. A lot of pollution can be directly attributed to Punjab, Haryana, UP and Rajasthan where the farmers burn the crop residue and the smog blanket flows with the air to pollute Delhi. So a solution to this problem has to account for all these states as well.
Thank God they atleast went with that. I was thinking he would go with the car manufacturers name. On Monday only Maruti owners get to drive. On Tuesday Hyundai. Volkswagen on Wednesday won't have anything plying on the roads since all their vehicles have been recalled. Honda on Thursday and Fiat group on Friday. Toyota on Saturday and all other luxury car brands on Sunday.
Half the pollution checking centres are corruption hubs. A 100 rupee note gets you a pollution under control certificate without even testing for it. How can you control that.
No more 2 day trips for Delhi public..You go by car today..But won't be able to return tomorrow.
Without making Delhi a safer place for women, it's unfair to force public transport. We have precedents like Nirbhaya case.
Odd number vehicles will ply 6 days more in year and 7 in the leap year. Yehi toh Scam hai Ji !!!

And to add a bit of international viewpoint:
http://www.theguardian.com/cities/20...-air-pollution

[raghu.t.k]

Not sure if this is the right way to go!! This is likely to be like the sun-film ban. Oh yes they did, on a reason that is still not resolved. Do they have the values for the contribution of private vehicles to the overall pollution ? Dont the industries around Delhi have any role? It cannot be that only the cars pollute the whole city. Why not publish the data on what contributes the most. If it turns out that its indeed the private cars, then there should be better ways to ensure they meet the emission norms. They need to think about that as well.

[Manoj2268]

My brother is a senior sales executive and he cannot make do without a car. He has to go to different parts of Delhi for sales calls and payments. He may have to visit a client in Bawana in the morning and another at bijwasan in the afternoon. Does the Kejriwal Govt guarantee transport round the clock till the last mile? I would guess no.

They have simply copied schemes from other countries without doing groundwork and the common public is harassed.

Even I work night shifts. So if I take a car on the odd day, does it mean that I can only take the car back after 2 days?