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Old 30th December 2024, 11:05   #18556
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For once, I don't think it was a brain fade moment from Pant. He may have been trying to up the ante since we were into the last session of play and it being a part time bowler in Head with a half tracker. It was just that the execution was off and the ball got a bit too high for him to hit it where he wanted.
Now we find ourselves yet again banking on youngsters to get us out of the hole that we dug for ourselves. Ah, the deja vu never stops with this team.
It was a brain fade moment.
Uptill then he was happily defending everything and even calming down Jaiswal. Suddenly out of nowhere he hit a half tracker to longest part of MCG. And MCG is a big ground unlike our Indian grounds. With RR above 6, field spread out, there was no way we could win so that was an absolute Needless shot in the context of the game. This is why he is so frustrating. Has all skills to be a great of the game but happy with his 40ish test average playing such shots. He can easily be a Sangakkara average batsman if only he understands tests are tests and not t20.

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I've switched off my TV, actually the Cable wala pulled the plug (he has no power)
I am also watching Netflix since Reddy got out. Checking score on cricbuzz every 10 mins. Will watch again once we are in 10 overs remaining range. Sundar should bat above Jadeja and Reddy. He has the best defence among all.
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Was Jaiswal really out? Could that deflection be a late swing or something? The sniko usually picks up contacts. I'm confused.
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Old 30th December 2024, 11:44   #18558
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Was Jaiswal really out? Could that deflection be a late swing or something? The sniko usually picks up contacts. I'm confused.
9 out 10 umpires will give that not out.

But umpire Sharfuddoula from Bangladesh is the 1 out of 10 who has given Jaiswal out.
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Old 30th December 2024, 11:48   #18559
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Seeing the field placement for Lyon - 5 close fielders in the off and 3 on the leg. Compare it to when Jadeja was bowling yesterday to Lyon and Boland, we had just one slip and silly point.

Enough has already been said about Rohit Sharma's captaincy. But this is somewhat of a new low, even for Rohit Sharma.
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Old 30th December 2024, 11:57   #18560
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So that's the curtains for India. Well played Aussies, well deserved win.

Indian media been frenzy gushing about individual performances of Bumrah/Jaiswal/Nitish without realizing we have been second best in 2 teams for most of the series, not just this game. Unfortunately we have a long history of 1/2 exceptional performances to keep us competitive.

I don't anymore think Kohli is one of the greatest player in the tests, damn with average of 40's, definitely no. I hope he doesn't continue for his personal milestone of 10k runs, because at this rate it will take couple of decades to do so. At max he will be remembered as good ODI chaser.

GG and RS should just resign from their duties.

Gill - hand over the captaincy to him.

Pant - make him sit outside, like you did to Ishan Kishan for his reckless shots in both innings and let the team down.

Akash/Bumrah/Prasid - to lead the bowling attack. Nothing to take away from Siraj, but youngsters should be groomed from now.

Jadeja - Though he hasnt done much wrong, but age is not on his side, so replace him with Washy.

I want to hear RS & GG in extended press conference.

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Old 30th December 2024, 12:00   #18561
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As expected done and dusted without giving a proper fight.

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Was Jaiswal really out? Could that deflection be a late swing or something? The sniko usually picks up contacts. I'm confused.
Although I think there was a slight touch on the glove, it was bit controversial for the third umpire to overturn the on field decision without concrete evidence
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Was Jaiswal really out? Could that deflection be a late swing or something? The sniko usually picks up contacts. I'm confused.
Simon Taufel's take on this.

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Simon Taufel from Channel 7: "In my view the decision was out. The third umpire did make the correct decision in the end. With the technology protocols, we do have a hierarchy of redundancy and when the umpire sees a clear deflection off the bat there is no need to go any further and use any other form of technology to prove the case. The clear deflection is conclusive evidence. In this particular case what we have seen from the third umpire, is they've used a secondary form of technology, which for whatever reason hasn't shown the same conclusive evidence of audio to back up the clear deflection. In the end the third umpire did the right thing and went back to the clear deflection and overturned the umpire field. So, in my view correct decision made."
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Pant - make him sit outside, like you did to Ishan Kishan for his reckless shots in both innings and let the team down.
Sure, We should remove Pant for Sydney. Just like we made Ashwin retire for the failure of batters (read - Rohit, Kohli) and horrible captaincy. And just like we removed Gill to accommodate Rohit Sharma as the opener.

Aside, Pant's shot was indeed reckless. No denying that.

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Sure, We should remove Pant for Sydney. Just like we made Ashwin retire for the failure of batters (read - Rohit, Kohli) and horrible captaincy. And just like we removed Gill to accommodate Rohit Sharma as the opener.

Aside, Pant's shot was indeed reckless. No denying that.
Keeping his stupid shot aside. He did play 104 balls and made sure 2nd session was without wicket. Except for him and Jaiswal no one even crossed 50 balls. As a wicketkeeper bat we shouldn't ask more of him and held specialist useless bats accountable.

I have decided to stop watching these overpaid and overhyped losers and boycott Sydney test. If they sack Rohit as Captain and player for last game then I can maybe tune in for sometime. Otherwise I will happily watch BBL and other cricket going around the world which won't give me any more heartbreaks.

Kudos to Aussies. They are rightly 2-1 ahead and in all probability will win the BGT this time around.

On a side note.
BCCI if they get time to stpp counting ipl cash and bother about Indian team losing like buffoons should sack Gautam Gambhir as coach after this series. He has been a true disaster. GG and Rohit made my favorite cricketer Ashwin retire mid way and I will never forgive them for this.

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Old 30th December 2024, 12:46   #18565
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Was Jaiswal really out? Could that deflection be a late swing or something? The sniko usually picks up contacts. I'm confused.
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9 out 10 umpires will give that not out.

But umpire Sharfuddoula from Bangladesh is the 1 out of 10 who has given Jaiswal out.
The third umpire unfortunately was being more royal than the king here. I believe his scope is to act on conclusive evidence to contradict the on field umpire. The visual cue that he apparently used is to be used by the umpire on the field, not the third umpire. The tools that the third umpire should be using(snicko & the hot spot if available) did not show anything here.

Credit where it's due, Cummins was brilliant with the ball and also with the field placings. It is unfortunate that three top order batsmen failed yet again, particularly Kohli & Rohit. We also were outplayed by Cummins and Lyon with the bat. We let the game drift by allowing some easy runs to tail enders. The field placings were very defensive & negative.

The WTC is out of question now but at least in Sydney, I hope we play the best eleven players we have.

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Old 30th December 2024, 13:05   #18566
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A disappointing loss. Rohit and Kohli need to step down and let Gill and Sarfaraz play in Sydney. Pant needs to be more responsible and stop playing reckless shots (though it wasn't really a reckless shot this time, but a needless one nonetheless in the context of the match).

Feel for Bumrah who gave his all and ended up on the losing side. He didn't deserve it if you ask me. He needs more support from the other end and and from the batsmen. Where are you, Shami?

Big congratulations to Australia. They played like a champion team and won like one. It was one hell of a test match and happy to have witnessed it. Hopefully India will make some hard decisions and play with a better team in Sydney.

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Old 30th December 2024, 13:08   #18567
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I'm actually surprised to see Rishab Pant not playing his natural game which he displayed in first innings.

Unfortunately till the time we will celebrate saving follow-ons and draws, we won't be a great test team.
Exactly, I had the same thought. We've noticed that he tends to struggle when he doesn't play his natural game. We can only speculate that the team management might have advised him to be more cautious, or perhaps it was Mr. Gavaskar's comments that affected him.

Anyway, it was a complete batting failure. They should have stuck to their natural game, aimed for a draw, and fought for another day in Sydney, which suits our team better, could provide a better chance for both our spinners and batsmen.
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Old 30th December 2024, 13:38   #18568
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Oh! And the audacity!

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Even though the statement may be true, but Rohit doesn't deserve to say anything about anyone's batting anymore!
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Old 30th December 2024, 13:45   #18569
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Jaiswal's dismissal was definitely controversial. It did look like the ball deflected close to his bat/glove to the naked eye, but there was nothing on Snicko. Despite this the third umpire chose to give Yashasvi out.

But then in the Perth test, KL Rahul was given out when there was clear daylight between his bat and the ball, but there was a spike on Snicko. Why didn't the third umpire take into account the visual proof in KL's case? It was said at that time that the Snicko is the last authority on whether the batter has edged a delivery or not. If that is the case, then why was the technology ignored in Jaiswal's case? This application of rules seems arbitrary to me and India have been on the receiving end of both poor decisions.

We lost the small battles each of which contributed to this loss. Virat's running out Jaiswal and getting out himself, Rishabh playing a rash shot in India's first innings, 4 dropped catches when Australia were 99/6 and finally a pathetic batting performance from everyone except Jaiswal and Pant in India's second innings added up to us losing by 184 runs. We went from 121/3 to 155/10 in the second innings. All too familiar in the last few months.

Rohit & Kohli need to be left out of the next game. We just can't afford to carry two walking wickets in the top 4.
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Old 30th December 2024, 14:14   #18570
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The NZ series and this series (apart from the 1st test in Aus under Bumrah) has been an appalling display by the Indian cricket team - taking one back many decades back - when India seemed to dig themselves into a hole and lose from strong positions. There is no way this looks like a WTC finalist team - after losing 5 of the last 7 test matches (incl. 3 at home).

Right from the NZ series, when India chose to bat first in rainy Bangalore to Rohit opting to open again while dropping Gill at the MCG - its been a long list of inexplicable decision making. In this Test, we went in with only 5 specialist batsmen knowing 2 of them (Rohit & Kohli) are in the worst form of their lives and one of them is a hit or miss wicketkeeper batsman. Of the 6 bowlers selected, two of them (Washy & Reddy) hardly got a bowl. Very difficult to understand.

Barring Bumrah and some one-off performances from the likes of Jaiswal, Reddy et al - it has been a string of very poor performances consistently over the last 7 matches.

Pant throwing his wicket away in both innings - when he was well set and India were in deep trouble and very few of their top order batsmen were clicking - was very disappointing. Folks will say 'the real fault lies with the others and not Pant' and that is a fair factual comment - but thats when the team really needs you to standup and make the most of being set - is what counts.

Do hope this forces some retirements soon and gets a hungrier crop of players in the Test team.

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