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Originally Posted by tsk1979 What kind of utopia you are living in. Ever heard of glass ceiling. Just the way you say there is a glass ceiling which will prevent an Indian from becoming the CEO of American MNC. there are lots of Indian companies where people from a certain region at mostly at the top. |
(1) I never said that there is a glass ceiling in the US. In EU, Aus, Canada, yes there is one.
(2) So there is a glass ceiling in Indian companies which prevents indians from climbing the ladder? Do you even know what a glass ceiling is?
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Originally Posted by tsk1979 Discrimination exists everywhere in the world, you are trying to paint some kind of picture that its much more in the west, than in the east. |
Yes, but as an Indian I do not get discriminated against in India. In the west I do. So for me it is a concern. If one enjoys being a majority here, why would he not complain living as a minority elsewhere?
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Originally Posted by tsk1979 So maybe your kind are in majority in the IT industry in India. For you definitely its better here. But for somebody who is in minority, things may be different. |
I am not in IT. Nevertheless.....
As far as minority rights in India is concerned, it is better than most countries. US, UK win because of better law enforcement.
(1) Aus identified the indigenous as a part of their flora and fauna till 1960s.
(2) The less said about the islamic countries, the better.
(3) Canada; people have already spoken enough about.
(4) EU (outside UK) : Watch a bit of football and you'll know what actual racism is.
India is a very left leaning country, and social problems are highlighted, and often exaggerated.
(1) Jews have lived here without any discrimination for centuries.
(2) Same is true for Parsees.
(3) The 150 mill. muslims are better off here than they would have been, not only in other Talibanized countries, but even in the West where they are profiled as plausible suspects.
(4) Yes, there have been aberrations, but from a statistical point of view, if you take into account the size of the country, they are minor issues really.
(5) I do see a lot of rants about the Caste system. The Caste system exists only among very orthodox families in the cities of India. There are, today, way too many intercaste marriages in Urban Indian. It is still a big problem in remote villages. But we aren't talking of remote villagers here, are we?
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Originally Posted by tsk1979 There are lots of Ghettos in India too. Just like anywhere in the world. And having spent extensive time in California, I mostly stayed in apartment complexes which had a head healthy mix of Asian/South Asian/Afro/White etc., Do not paint abroad with the same picture. Its not some one entity. Just like in India, the midwest is totally different from cities like SFO and Vancouver.. |
I live in an apartment complex, and I can easily think of 25-30 different communities living here.
The fact is most people, on this board at least , are not living in ghettos. And they do run the risk of being ghetto-ized abroad.
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Originally Posted by tsk1979 You are contradicting yourself. You say 70% managers are regionalistic and its not a problem? And things balance out?
Well things may balance out for a region where the representation is high.
Its very easy to be part of the majority and pretend there is no racism |
(1) I never said 70% of managers being regionalistic is an unequivocal fact, and can be factually verified.
I said, if I assume that, in the worst case, 70 out of 100 managers have a regional bias, that would still ensure enough entropy in the system to make the system, as a whole, lack any bias.
If there are 10 managers, and 7 communities in a country. If 7 support 1 community each, and the remaining 3 are fair, the net resultant vector should also be unbiased.
In reality of course, the proportion of biased managers would be far less, and thus easily neutralize any resultant bias in the system/instution.
It is simple math.
I am not contradicting myself, you fail at comprehension.
(2) A vast majority of people, who are capable of moving abroad as skilled labour, also belong to the majority. And as you conceded, that majorities do not get discriminated against in India, and there is a possibility of them being discriminated against in the west, isn't it a plus for them to stay back?
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Originally Posted by tsk1979 For example if 20% of all engineers belong to region X.
What about region Y which contributes to maybe just 0.01% of the managers.
Lets say out of 1000 managers in 10 companies a total of 2 managers belong to region Y.
Where you do you think that person goes? |
That person can still go to an unbiased manager. I did assume that there are at least 30% unbiased managers....at least!!!
If I assume that dogma is usually normally distributed, just like most traits (which is a fair assumption). Even if I assume that only 1 standard dev of people are unbiased, that would still mean 68% unbiased managers.
Your entire point is that minorities are discriminated against in India. My point is that minorities are discriminated against EVERY PLACE ELSE in the world (exceptions being truly cosmopolitan cities like NYC, London etc)
Thus, from a pure utilitarian point of view, if one belongs to a majority here, and is earning well he should consider discrimination when he moves abroad!
Your argument seems to be: A belongs to a majority in India. He will be a minority abroad, and can be possible discriminated against. But minorities are discrim. against in India as well. So A will be fine in the west.
The flaw here, of course, is that A does not belong to any minority in India.
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