30th January 2013, 00:24
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| Re: The Weight Loss Thread. Dear Carbookie. I appriciate your missionary zeal for Ketonic diet. I can understand you have lost weight following this regimn but weight loss was never disputed. Let me reiterate what I said , Ketonic diet is a therepy but with certain adverse effects. I wonder if you have really analysed the links you posted I just looked at top 3 and they confirm my view point. And link 3 you have provided is very good it is actually from a published scintific paper and it highlights risk of Kidney and Cardiovascular diseases in results tab. I see no reason why someone should ignore these findings Quote:
Although broadly supportive of the Atkins regime, Yancy warns that the diet could pose risks including the higher "bad" cholesterol, bone loss and kidney stones. Because of this, he discourages first-time dieters from using the regime. This is exactly what I wrote in my post. Quote:
read the last two paragraphs quoted below they confirm my view. "For all practical purposes, the programs all worked about the same," said Kelly D. Brownell, director of Yale University's Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity and creator of the Lifestyle, Exercise, Attitudes, Relationships and Nutrition (LEARN) program for weight management, one of the diets studied. The extra four pounds lost by the Atkins group are not very meaningful, Brownell said. Others were more critical. "This study is seriously flawed, and its conclusions misleading," said Ornish, clinical professor of medicine at the University of California at San Francisco. A careful read of the study shows "no significant difference in weight loss between the Atkins and Ornish or LEARN diets after one year!" he noted in an e-mail. "There was significantly more weight loss on the Atkins diet after one year only when compared with the Zone diet. This directly contradicts their primary conclusion." Quote:
These results totally contradict what you have been saying Look at this paragraph in the results tab , This actually highlights the danger of very low carbohydrate diet "Although the very low-carbohydrate diet produced the greatest improvements in most metabolic syndrome components examined herein, we identified 2 potentially deleterious effects of this diet. Twenty-four hour urinary cortisol excretion, a hormonal measure of stress, was highest with the very low-carbohydrate diet. Consistent with this finding, Stimson et al31 reported increased whole-body regeneration of cortisol by 11β-HSD1 and reduced inactivation of cortisol by 5α- and 5β-reductases over 4 weeks on a very low- vs moderate-carbohydrate diet. Higher cortisol levels may promote adiposity, insulin resistance, and cardiovascular disease, as observed in epidemiological studies.32- 34 In a 6-year prospective, population-based study of older adults in Italy,35" With this finding over six years untill someone is morbidly obse I don't see why he/she should risk kidney and cardiovascular disease ? Also Look at the results under the abstract tab , Reproduced below Compared with the pre–weight-loss baseline, the decrease in REE was greatest with the low-fat diet (mean [95% CI], –205 [–265 to –144] kcal/d), intermediate with the low–glycemic index diet (–166 [–227 to –106] kcal/d), and least with the very low-carbohydrate diet (−138 [–198 to –77] kcal/d; overall P = .03; P for trend by glycemic load = .009). The decrease in TEE showed a similar pattern (mean [95% CI], −423 [–606 to –239] kcal/d; −297 [–479 to –115] kcal/d; and −97 [–281 to 86] kcal/d, respectively; overall P = .003; P for trend by glycemic load < .001). Hormone levels and metabolic syndrome components also varied during weight maintenance by diet (leptin, P < .001; 24-hour urinary cortisol, P = .005; indexes of peripheral [P = .02] and hepatic [P = .03] insulin sensitivity; high-density lipoprotein [HDL] cholesterol, P < .001; non-HDL cholesterol, P < .001; triglycerides, P < .001; plasminogen activator inhibitor 1, P for trend = .04; and C-reactive protein, P for trend = .05), but no consistent favorable pattern emerged. Now lets look at the 4th link you have provided Quote:
very low carbohydrate diet. Psychological function study is important because low ketonic diet is used as therapy for epilepsy. In the conclusion this study notes favourable effect on Mood state which is expected as psychological effect. But look at the first sentence of result section quoted below. Results By 1 year, the overall mean (SE) weight loss was 13.7 (1.8) kg, with no significant difference between groups (P = .26). Now are you quoting this paper as supportive evidence in weightless thread or quoting this for psychological benefit of mood state ? I am not going in to point wise analysis of rest of the links you have posted. Important point is if you omit these portions the picture look rosy but for holistic view whole picture needs to be considered. Last edited by amitk26 : 30th January 2013 at 00:52. | ||||
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30th January 2013, 00:38
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I will refrain from giving personal anecdotal evidence, but would still suggest you or anybody else willing to learn more about low carb to head over to http://reddit.com/r/keto and just Hang around and see of your doubts get answered. I was a bigger sceptic than you before i converted. | |
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30th January 2013, 00:50
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I am afraid that these selective portions quoted from top 4 links cited by you as evidence are actually quite important. In fact when psychologists advice ketonic diet it is under strict monitoring and often with drug support to suppress the side effects. I lost 10 Kg with exercise and balanced diet in last 6 months and still 4 Kg above stated ideal weight Thanks for invitation to convert but I prefer to loose extra flab slowly or being 4/5 Kg overweight then to risk my kidneys. | |
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Inappropriately high level of cortisol for prolonged period causes Cushing's syndrome and here is a wiki link for cushing's syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cushing%27s_syndrome | |
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30th January 2013, 01:31
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Anyone else has doubts on low carb then I will definitely answer otherwise I won't sidetrack the thread anymore. | |
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30th January 2013, 08:07
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30th January 2013, 10:11
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Also, if you do only cardio on a daily basis, the body gets used to it and stops responding after a while. The weight loss reaches a plateau unless you keep increasing the duration and/or intensity or workouts. Rohan Last edited by rohan_iitr : 30th January 2013 at 10:13. | |
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20th February 2013, 12:35
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If it's been a while since you did any jogging/running, start off with this plan: http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/181.shtml You can also vary it a bit by including some rope skipping, hill climbing in your routine. For strength, do exercises which depend on your body-weight like push-ups, pull-ups, free squats, lunges, double bar dips. Diet wise, reduce sugar intake or cut it out entirely if possible. Please take it easy at first if it's been a long time since you did any sort of physical activity. Good luck! Cheers, Vikram | |
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20th February 2013, 12:40
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| Re: The Weight Loss Thread. This is my first post in this thread. I thought I will share my experience with weight loss which might be beneficial to some. Let me give some background - I was very fat in college, 82 kgs for 5'5"...its not fat its obese. After joining a job in Mumbai I started going to gym. I lost all the excess weight and was also able to build some muscle mass and had a good physique at 64kgs. This was in 2001-2002. In 2004, I had a near fatal bike accident. After that, all the focus was on recovering and exercise stopped. I recovered well but slowly started to gain the weight back. Meanwhile, I got married and became father of a beautiful daughter. Last year, I was again back to 82 :( I was so very disappointed. Then, I took up the mission of cutting the flab again. But this time, I decided not to take any drastic steps and I wanted something which is sustainable in the long run. This is what I followed - 1> Exercise for at least 4 days a week. There were quite a few weeks where I could not do this. I think, on average, I might have done 3 days a week. 2> Mainly cardio for around 30-35 mins. 3> Weight training once a week with light weights..Major exercises only like bench press, pull-ups and squats along with some abdominal exercises. 4> No major change in diet. Only cut down on deep fried stuff. Limit drinks to 1 or 2 days a week. Not too many sweets. No other change. 5> After losing some weight, I was alternating between HIIT and normal cardio. Also, increased the ratio of weight training a bit. 6> For some weeks, I did not exercise at all but I kept myself active by playing sports like badmintion, tennis etc. As of yesterday, my weight was 69  I want to lose 3-4 kgs more but I am almost there.So, I have lost 13 kgs without even dieting much. And the good thing is - I don't seem to gain any weight even I eat more sometimes in parties, marriages etc. So, looks like my metabolism has increased. So, all in all, I would summarize by saying - 1> Weight loss is easy, just be patient and determined 2> Do not fall prey to gimmicks, some magic diet etc etc. While some of these might work for some time, the question to ask yourself is whether it is sustainable in the long run or does it have any adverse effects? 3> Think of it as a change in lifestyle. Change from a sedentary to an active lifestyle.So, there is no end goal. 4> Diet is important. You need to watch your diet for sure but no need to starve or go crazy with a no-carb diet or some other stuff advertised nowadays. 5> Try to get company of some like-minded people. Will keep you motivated. 6> Do not stop yourself from having the pleasure of good food. Eating a little more once in a while is okay. After all, you are working out. 7> Alcohol - For people who drink, nothing to worry as long as you do in moderation. Alcohol does contain useless calories but not much by itself. What you need to watch out are the side dishes you have along with alcohol. Those are the main culprits in my opinion. So, please cut down on those or try some healthier alternatives than chips, haldiram mixtures and stuff  Hope it helps and Best of luck! ~Aadi Last edited by adimicra : 20th February 2013 at 12:44. |
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Exercise is done mostly at home. I walk for 2 hours on free days, take stairs instead of lift, concentrate on fruits/vegetable diet. Have reduced my rice/wheat intake by a big margin- without starving. The best part? I've never felt better. Energy levels have gone really high, tiredness has stop haunting my evenings, i feel a lot more confident about myself, waking up in the morning is a fresh affair, better work- life balance etc. I'm loving it! Plan to reduce it to around 80 as per the BMI scale. | |
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